UK smacks Huawei with banhammer: Buying firm's 5G gear illegal from year's end, mobile networks ordered to rip out all next-gen kit by 2027 D-day has finally arrived for Huawei in Britain: UK.gov will outlaw the purchase of Huawei gear to build 5G networks by the end of this year, and from 2027 the country's mobile networks must eradicate the Chinese vendor's kit from their 5G infrastructure. This decision was a long time in the making, and comes off the back of …
By the time of the next election, we will have implemented in law
In other words, we're going to take our time over this and see how things on the other side of the Atlantic develop.
By all means keep Huawei on a short leash, but booting them off completely makes little sense.
"By the time of the next election, we will have implemented in law, an irreversible path for the complete removal of Huawei equipment from our 5G networks."
He clearly is under the impression that laws cannot be repealed if he thinks it an 'irreversible path'. But then again i wouldn't put it passed the tories to try and make it so any laws they pass while in power can't be repealed later if they loose the next election.
tories to try and make it so any laws they pass while in power can't be repealed later if they loose the next election.
Can't be done due to sovereignty of parliament. Of course, what they still want to do is castrate the Supreme Court so that they can bypass parliament in the future: Johnson certainly hasn't forgotten last year's slapdown and they currently still have a large enough majority that is willing to go along with pretty much anything.
A process started by Tony Bliar, and he even went so far as to try to disband the House of Lords to prevent anyone interfering with his way of doing things. When told he couldn't dump it, he began filling it with his cronies instead.
In fact, Labour were the first party to start imposing budget measures intended to last beyond the next General Election even though such things were specifically NOT permitted under Parliamentary legislation - until Labour forced through the change to allow it.
It's not just the Tories who cannot be trusted - none of them can!
I think it is more about capitulating to the Postulating Primate and those behind his actions while trying to cushion British telecoms a little and providing potential wriggle room for the possibility of the sanctions against Huawei either easing or going away completely.
However, that is not going to happen, the US has always dominated the business previously and wil not stop until they think they have total control again, which probably will never happen, China has gone too far down the development road to stop now, Japan would love to have a resurgence, India and Pakistan are trying to develop their electronic industries etc.
By the time of the next election
Well there's the rub. Theoretically this Parliament has about another four and a half years to run, but we've had three in the last five years of "Fixed Term Parliaments", so I don't think I'd bet against the next election being sooner than that.
> "We won, get over it."
Yeah, exactly. That's where this all started: Brexit.
The highly cynical borderline conspiracy-theorist nutjob in me says that this has all been a very clever ploy by Russia to weaken the west. They organised Brexit via a very sneaky social media psyop campaign, they possibly organised Trump through similar subterfuge, and now they want China and the West to start a war.
I have no evidence for any of this.
It's not as if the US has ever done anything similar with regard to citizens detained in various countries…
Canada got caught up the middle of trade spat between two important trading partners. It happens. Not going along with the farcical extradition proceedings isn't an option and China cannot lose face.
HK plus this. Too much for there to be no Chinese retaliation.
One could argue that the offer of citizenship was in response to China departing from the agreed upon "one country, two systems" model.
Also, as a Brexiteer I welcome with open arms any HK national that wishes to flee the clutches of the tyrannical Chinese Communist Party. That's precisely the sort of path I had hoped Britain would follow as an independent nation.
"Also, as a Brexiteer I welcome with open arms any HK national that wishes to flee the clutches of the tyrannical Chinese Communist Party. That's precisely the sort of path I had hoped Britain would follow as an independent nation."
And we were already able to do that as an EU member...
And we were already able to do that as an EU member...
I never claimed Brexit enabled us to offer people from HK citizenship. I was simply countering the lazy stereotypes (xenophobic, racist, gammons etc. etc.) tossed around by those who still haven't come to terms with the result of a referendum held 4 years ago.
There are Brexiters in these here forums that think the EU is a racist organisation. By think, I mean use the accusation as covering fire. After all, it doesn't have to make sense to put folk on the defensive. Something about white majority countries.
Ironic given that most of Africa has tariff free trade access to the EU ("Everything But Arms")... something the UK *won't* have unless a deal is sorted out.
Doubly ironic given that the possibility of Turkey joining was given as a reason to leave... "Breaking point" wasn't it?
As "project fear" aligns closer and closer with reality, you have to wonder at the thought processes of folk who are still in denial about the downsides.
see also: the "Farage garage"™, expats complaining about "Brussels" potentially ending *their* freedom of movement, Sunderland being "unsustainable" in the event of no deal.
I just hope I'm wrong about the lack of upsides, if only for the sake of those whos jobs will be affected.
Sidenote: Its not just the "lefty" "woke" "snowflakes" (as an equally lazy stereotype) that think Brexit is going to be a shitshow.
Sidenote: Its not just the "lefty" "woke" "snowflakes" (as an equally lazy stereotype) that think Brexit is going to be a shitshow.
The left in the UK used to be anti-EU which makes sense since it's a neoliberal organisation that puts the interests of the big banks and megacorps ahead of the common man whenever it gets the chance.
Had Corbyn, who was a committed and vociferous Bennite Eurosceptic for the first 30 years of his career, displayed some backbone, the last few years might have been very different.
"There are Brexiters in these here forums that think the EU is a racist organisation. By think, I mean use the accusation as covering fire."
Never said the EU is racist. But when you consider that the EU Asylum laws specifically state Asylum Seekers MUST seek refuge in the FIRST safe country they reach, you should be asking why so many of them seem to reach the UK having passed through such countries as THE WHOLE OF MAINLAND EUROPE. Or why the French Navy seems unable to stop and board boats clearly completely unsuitable for crossing the Channel, but somehow manage to escort them into "international" waters and then notify the Royal Navy or the Coastguard that there are refugees in danger...
And having managed to send 90%+ of the asylum seekers who arrive in France on to the UK, the French seem to be getting a lot of money from Brussels for supporting refugees and a lot of money from the UK to help prevent the refugees getting onto Eurostar trains or 'escaping' French beaches.
How is that calling the EU racist?
I admire your stance, but sadly The Register comments sections regardless of topic, are inhabited by a lot of bitter opinionated remoaners, who will seize every opportunity to spout their hatred for Brexit, the government and anyone who loves their country. They often result to insults when their opinions are being challenged. There's no getting away from them. I read The Register forum because I love discussing technology, but that's being ruined by people who can't put their ranting political opinions to one side.
You are happy to complain at people who think this country would have been better off staying in the EU and rather than accept that view you pull out the "remoaner" argument, what are you a Russian bot? The only people who will get anything good out of Brexit in the short term are countries which wanted to see the EU broken up i.e. Russia!
Going through with a hugely expensive separation from Brussels when the country is so deep in debt and job losses already is the definition of stupidity, unfortunately people like you don't see that! While I may not agree with Brexit, and have accepted that the crap is going to happen, it should certainly be delayed until the Covid situation has been resolved!
until the Covid situation has been resolved
I forcast that that's not going to happen any time soon. Especially as the antibodies seem fairly short-term and we are yet to have a viable, proven vacciene.
I speak as one of the very vulnerable (t2 non-overweight diabetic, have had a heart attack and am on immuno-suppressents because of arthritis - if I was technology I'd have been reprocessed long ago). Fortunately, my employer isn't going to be opening up the offices any time soon and is very sympathetic to people working from home until we do have a means of protecting ourselves from CV19. And I don't mean just wearing a mask either.
OT: re heart
Co-enzyme Q10 supplements.
Bulk of your body's Q10 is used by your heart.
Massive benefit for damaged hearts, eg when prescribed after heart attack, reduces probability of second attack from ~75% to single digits. No interaction with any known heart medicine.
It's created by your body up until age 45-50 (as part of the same chain which creates cholesterol which is why statins cause sudden weakness then heart problems once your "reserves" are exhausted), after which production tanks.
Any healthfood shop, v.cheap
"I never claimed Brexit enabled us to offer people from HK citizenship."
Well - you kind of did:
"That's precisely the sort of path I had hoped Britain would follow as an independent nation."
That's either claiming that it enabled it or you're saying that you're really glad you have seen a streetlight in the daytime, because now you can walk home.
That referendum... the one which wasn't declared illegal simply because it wasn't binding.
The one which, in the latest country wide poll (i.e. the election), returned just 46% for brexit supporting candidates.
Ah yes, the glorious 46% majority....
Much damage has been done - there are still those who wish to limit that damage.
"That referendum... the one which wasn't declared illegal simply because it wasn't binding"
You mean the one we were promised since what, the 1980s? And which Tony Blair PROMISED would happen if his lot ousted the Tories under John Major? The one promised by Gordon Brown when he took over from Blair, and promised by the Tories but not held until Cameron realised he really could not put it off any longer without risking civil unrest?
As for "legally binding", the only people who think this are those who LOST. Get over it. The Referendum was legal, and no amount of Remoaner rhetoric can change that.
Read the 2015 Act: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/36/contents/enacted
There is nothing in the Act mandating what should happen in the event of a majority vote in favour of leaving the EU.
Compare and contrast with the AV referendum in 2011, particularly the section on what should happen in the event of a Yes vote: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/1/part/1/crossheading/result-of-the-referendum/enacted
Ergo, the 2016 referendum was advisory, otherwise a mandated course of action would/should have been included in the Act.
"Also, as a Brexiteer I welcome with open arms any HK national that wishes to flee the clutches of the tyrannical Chinese Communist Party."
Obviously as a Brexiteer you've failed to read the underwhelming terms uk.gov are now offering to British Nationals (Overseas). Especially compared to the residency rights that were stolen from them pre-1997 by the Gammon fearing Tories.
"That's precisely the sort of path I had hoped Britain would follow as an independent nation."
Second class offers of a visa? Whoop-de-do Basil.
>One could argue that the offer of citizenship was in response to China departing from the agreed upon "one country, two systems" model.
One should argue it is merely posturing - we don't have the resources to host even a small percentage of BNOs and pulled the rug from under a far smaller number of HKs who wanted to assert their legal rights to live here (they were already citizens) before hand back.
Incidentally Hong Kong has has 8 (eight!) covid deaths in a pop of around 7 million with massive density, UK gov has killed off at least 45,000 people which is a rather more fundamental breach of human rights IMO.
UK gov has killed off at least 45,000 people which is a rather more fundamental breach of human rights IMO.
The price of freedom is often the freedom to do stupid things. It's not really a surprise that the countries with the lowest COVID death rates are also the ones most able to force their citizens to follow draconian rules.
US: Jump!
UK: How high?
[Rinse and repeat ad nauseam]
It never begins to amaze me how the UK is so much America's lickspittle that successive British governments are literally willing to sabotage their own economy & security, just to please their American masters. These are the same people who, seemingly without a trace of irony, spout phrases like "Taking back control", in relation to leaving the EU.
Yeah, its a relative view. The US like to flex its muscles from an armchair whilst China likes to run tanks over its population, undertake mass suppression and 're-education' camps, whilst 'disappearing' honest scientists. I may've missed a few things. Oh yeah, no attempt at democracy whatsoever.
So not overwhelmed by control by any other nation-state but when it does happen I have a clear pragmatic preference.
Err..What?
I don't think the British Government have had a change of heart over Huawei as much as they feel they've been forced to reconsider their option. Especially when it would increase costs and delay the 5G roll-out. Costs might not be too important, but they wouldn't want 5G to be rolled-out late, not when it's the equivalent of waving your big dick to the world in full display.
Almost everyone that they border:
Soviet Union,
Vietnam
India
South Korea (as part of the Korean War)
Tibet (annexed and still illegally occupied)
Ongoing attempts to seize the entire south China sea, stealing territorial waters from Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines and a few others
Plus
Threats to annex Taiwan,
Disputes with Japan
Of course it's about trade, but sadly the logic is utterly flawed. What's happening is that the US (Dems as well as Trumpettes) has given China a strong message: develop your own semiconductor supply chain, right back to the rare ores mined in developing countries. So 10 or 15 years from now, China (including Huawei) will simply laugh at US sanctions and they will be making cheaper, better stuff just as they are today, with no dependency on Western industry. The current trade war is just a minor glitch for them.
I am happy not to have the criminal CCP providing or tapping off my service. Though I should point out that at the moment mobile service is so ropey that callers foolish enough to call the mobile have to be told to call the landline. I guess nothing much will change on that front and that nothing was really expected to change either. I did see the 5G forecast charges, so no, nothing will change for me least of all that market segment.
At least Wi-Fi allows mobile data, though I seriously prefer a 23-inch screen, over a postage stamp on the mobile. Still, Wi-Fi does allow the mobile to update, frequently.
Not court jester of the orange one...
- So we already have the American style student course fees which are just great to build up the brains of our nation.
- About to get chlorinated chicken and who knows what hormones in beef.
- Technology? Yay lets pay more for less, as long as some rich people line their pockets, go nationalism!!!!
- NHS? Have you heard of the horror stories of people going in for a simple checkup and ending up with a bill easily over 50,000USD?
Lets not forget who f**ked some many people's pensions in 2008, and Blair acting as Bush's little puppy dog not only destabilised the middle east, but was a poison pill for their ratings.
How about we go about British exceptionalism by being British rather than copying a country who celebrates their violent independence from us every July the 4th, you know the date where a load of British people might get really ill because of reasons....
No Huawei security issues shown by GCHQ testing or anyone else for that matter.
Plenty of security issues shown in US originated equipment (Cisco, Juniper, encryption standards with introduced weaknesses).
Yeah, cause UK intelligence sensitive information is travelling over mobile networks without end-to-end crypto, if so that person needs firing.
Of course we didn't want to annoy the orange one, but I guess we are keeping our options. The Chinese leader may tell him he's great and allow him to open a few hotels and Huawei will be okay again.
I read this article :
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53080113
with interest. If Huawei poses an actual & realised threat to Western national security as implied - i.e. ""There's no question that information from Huawei routers has ultimately ended up in hands that would appear to be the state," Mr Schmidt added.", then why not throw the gauntlet down and publish the data?
Actual proof of an actual event would have a much greater effect to the adoption of Huawei technology than whispers and inference of wrongdoing.
>Actual proof of an actual event would have a much greater effect to the adoption of Huawei technology than whispers and inference of wrongdoing.
There is no proof. There never was. This is merely PR spin and it makes a laughing stock of the UK, it comes off as some backwater where it really doesn't matter if it gets state of the art kit or not.
Country to be hit with £2bn cost, massive tech delay after firm 'materially compromised' by US's latest sanctions
Uncle Sam exercising ye olde gangster protection scam against virtually anonymous and practically invisible phantom foe which are anything but phantom in warranted punitive retaliatory response.
And the UKGBNI their cuckold is not a great fickle fairy look, is it? What is Parliament thinking? In whose name are they acting ? Certainly not the electorate surely? And definitely not on the advice of national intelligence services or GCHQ? So ...... WTF???
Hmm. I think we all know which orange apparition has been pressuring the UK to do this and it looks like ol' Boris has bent over. Needs to grow a pair and tell the USA that they are NOT rulers of the world. Everywhere I read about this, it looks so political, it's not true. All done on not one jot of spying evidence, I understand - just old Trumpy boy's "feelings" and paranoia. Pathetic bunch.
Won't matter if they do, Democrats, including Biden, are all for a China crack down. As for trade, Biden may not be in any rush, given Obama's original warning about a Brexit trade deal being at the back of the queue. Even if he does continue negotiations, a trade agreement without some concessions on agricultural is will be politically untenable.
we might at least re-enter a phase of logical and reasonable discussion.
And who would be doing that? Creepy sleepy demented Joe or his 'lock up poor parents for truancy' (probable) VP Kamala Harris (who in turn is fully funded by cackling Hillary 'we came, ww saw, he died' Clinton?
The US is a corrupt oligarchy, which is the reason that people actually voted for Trump after 8 years of the moderate republican Obama.
Mate. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Both parties are bought and paid for.
Just like a lot of Brexit voters, anyone who appears against the status quo is able to get elected (once).
A lot of the people who voted for Obama because he was offering hope for change, voted for Trump after the huge disappointment he turned out to be.
The whole thing is rigged, you can't win, which is why people again are being urged to vote for the lesser of two evils. Had some hope for Bernie, but it seems that he'd rather be friends with Sleepy Joe than stick his neck out and bring about real positive change.
Someone doesn't understand the issue ...
Care to expand oh wise one?
As far as I can tell the Americans wash their chickens in chlorinated water to remove any nasties prior to packaging. In the EU the supply change is supposedly set up to produce cleaner chickens which don't require this last step. That's fine if strict hygiene standards really are in place uniformly across the continent, but I think that's quite an assumption to make knowing the behaviour of certain member states that often have a rather liberal interpretation of the rules.
The American way guarantees the chicken is safe for human consumption and, as mentioned previously, there really are no health concerns with this cleaning process else bagged salads, which are treated in exactly the same way, would also be banned in the EU.
truth is, Britain's fucked either way of the fence. Side with Trump (or post-Trump), and you get "preferential" deal. Given the size and ways both economies are operating, not hard to imagine how "fair" it's gonna be. Climb down the Chinese side, and sure, we might get 5G and benefits, plus Chinese students coming and paying for trophy university diplomas (at least until the point their system catches up and overtakes ours), plus "investments that protects valuable British jobs". But isn't it how it works with all satellite states, i.e. they circle around a bigger body?
You seem to think it's just about politics.
How about ignoring the bullshit from either side, and simply buying the cheapest, most advanced, and reliable tech out there.
We're handicapping our networks to appease the orange-man-child.
We could avoid that not to please China, but in an effort to make our technology world class.
It's funny buying it will be banned at year end, I'm sure something else is happening at year end but I can't put my finger on it right now. Maybe something that requires a shite trade deal that can be pushed as something to save all face from it being the complete and utter fucking shambles it's going to be?
Trump doesn't treat anyone well, not even Americans
This is not purely a Trump thing. Under whose watch did 4 million people get kicked out of their homes after the last economic crash?
Who further militarised the police?
Who stood idly by and would 'see how things played out' regarding standing rock and earlier clashes with the militarised police?
Disappoimtment in Obama was a direct cause for idiot Trump to be elected. The other was that Hillary is such a psycho that next to her Trump actually looks somewhat sane.
Any provider worth it's salt would build at least two different vendors across it's core - e.g. Cisco and Huawei. This is so that any bug that hits a single vendor only effects half of the network. If it's built right that would only result in a lack of resilience rather than an impact on service.
So what Trump's done is he's blocked the export licences of various encryption standards owned by US companies to China. Rather than write their own Huawei just bought them in under licence. Without this licencing agreement in place they cannot run encryption standards that allow them to interface with other vendors. It's not that Huawei are using some kind of Chinese spy code - they are using code written by and patented by US companies. Now Trump's stopped that.
So the result is we just have one US vendor who can charge what they like and absolutely no resilience against bugs. There is no increase in security since as before they are running US written encryption standard code - if it's got a back door it'll be to the NSA not Beijing. Some minion in GCHQ has obviously been asked to brief the Govt on the impact of Trump's ban and the answer has been - well you can't have Huawei in the network running unlicensed software and this has been spun into some kind of security vulnerability. It beggars belief.
All because Trump screwed up big time and needs to blame China for corona-virus in an election year. And all because Boris is a spineless oaf desperate for Trump to win a second term and bale him out with tins of chlorinated chicken when his no deal Brexit hits the fan in January.
Huh? Whilst I agree about Trump and his motives, the ban has got bugger all to do with crypto licenses or patents.
There are none in practice. And even less that are USA controlled. Encryption on the internet would be screwed if there were.
Even the new proposed SNOW-V designed speccifically for 5G is a) not American. B) Free to use
https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2020/6/encryption-in-virtualized-5g-environments
I believe precisely one variant of hub was made for them by Huawei. Sagemcom seem to have far more of a look in (they made the Hub 5, infamous because it is relatively easily flashed to OpenWRT)
Huawei CPE is a lot more common in other ISPs (notably TalkTalk) and a lot of the mobile broadband / mifi type devices are theirs. If you are lucky enough to have Openreach fibre to the home, there is a very high chance the ONT is made by Huawei too. The older "Openreach white modems" for FTTC/VDSL are predominantly Huawei.
Like you have to build bypasses, (and the rail link to Birmingham, just when people are shunning public transport big time.)
Who is going to benefit from the rollout? The spy culture, that's who, keeping track of everyone and everything.
5G going to cost billions? Scrap the idea and spend the money on the NHS and better broadband links instead.
Sidelining for a moment the now-questionable decision made years ago to allow China to partner the Hinkley Point C and Sizewell C reactor projects...
Pretty sure BWR designs are already well proven. These new ones need less uranium. Yeah China has a stake in the project; that doesn't change the basic design being proven.
But I say never lets facts get in the way of a good rant.
Kind of reminds me of the scenario of being in bed with the mistress and the husband walks in.
Again, Blighty being the proverbial pork chop man in the middle, lining its nest from both east and west, unable to decide which is best, alas the one to tries to please everyone pleases no one at all ...
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/uk/other/journals/Script-ed/2006/3_1_SCRIPT-ed_15.html&query=genetically+modified+human&method=all
Plot item in a Kingsley Amis book in which the very unpleasant lead character tries to organise a threesome with his wife and mistress only to have them take one look at one another naked and have passionate Sapphic sex, excluding him completely.
I'm not sure how it relates to Huawei, though. It would kind of work if post November the US chummies up to the EU and leaves the UK out in the cold.
Given that much of the fixed network is based on Huawei equipment it's possible she's had a run in with it - and her role as "Head of Telecom Technology" at Ofcom presumably includes the mobile side too.
I don't think you can aim for perfection here - unless a GCHQ/NCSC/HCSEC spook decides to go political you're not going to get someone who has coal face experience with the security implications. Despite the obvious reliance on telecommunications networks, there aren't that many of us working in the sector, let alone those with political aspirations
There is at least one - Chi Onwurah for Labour.
There are over 100 MPs with STEM backgrounds: 57 Tory, 36 Labour, and a smattering of others: https://www.sciencecampaign.org.uk/engaging-with-policy/science-in-westminster/mps-to-watch.html
A "qualification" to be listed seems to include membership of the S&T Committee which seems to be a fairly low bar. There are also former shadow science ministers there. Unless the shadow ministers are better qualified than their govt. opposite numbers that's a very low qualification indeed. And there's at least one person double counted.
I have to be honest - my feeling is that the anti-Huawei sentiment in the USA is purely and simply protectionism of the Apple brand. And I still think that.
I did raise an eyebrow at the rhetoric that came out of Huawei / China in the last fortnight over this, in particular the evil-villain "you'll live to regret this" sort of stuff. I appreciate that this sort of flowery language is very much a Far East thing exacerbated by translation into English but it probably didn't help public perception here (we are, after all, a country that is so monumentally stupid a large proportion of people think face masks are an attack on their personal liberties).
Ultimately I think that if China wants to know about vulnerabilities in our telecommunications networks the most reliable way would be to find the person who installed it and hit them with a big spanner until they divulge the details.
The other possibility *dons tinfoil hat* is that Huawei refused to allow GCHQ to install their own backdoors in order to spy on UK residents and citizens.
[Speaking as the owner of a Huawei Mate 20 Pro, nearly two years old now and still demolishing the competition].
I’m not sure that you are really following this one @Fursty.
No one has said we can’t buy their phones and I think their consumer goods division is quite separate from their infrastructure makers so this is probably not about Apple (unless BT are now installing Airports in their cabs).
However, it very definitely is about Hong Kong, irrespective of any influence being wielded by the Orang One.
This is a political dispute now and we should ban all of their kit. IMHO.
When we finally "get Brexit done" at the end of the year, we will need a trade deal with China, or end up on basic WTO terms. At that point I expect China to require access to UK markets for technology products bundled together to include 5G. Boris (on behalf of a one term Trump) will try to keep 5G out and as a result we will have no trade deal.
There is an awful lot of stuff that we want and need from China. Not just finished products but components. We may well end up learning a few nasty facts of life. When it comes to fights, size and power matters
Population UK 67 Million. Population China 1,393 million
GDP UK 2.855 trillion USD. GDP China 13.61 trillion USD
Irrespective of anyone's political's stance, the way forward always was to define and agree on a wider 5G (and future Gs) standard for all carriers and vendors, comprising a comprehensive list of risks and mitigations to cover all key use cases and then let customers decide based on their risk appetite. It's not rocket science. We have it for other industries so why not just get on with it and cut across all the FUD?
Also note the UK ban itself is on the basis that NCSC stated they can no longer assure control over Huawei BECAUSE of the new bans imposed by the US. So in essence they're technically correct. The root cause is elsewhere and is painfully obvious it's driven by politics and business as Mr. Orange is yet to publish some hard evidence.
By 2027 when we finish removing 5G kit Huawei will likely be on 6G or perhaps even farther ahead.
Oh well..
“delay the rollout of 5G”
That's mainly down to the government, who have had the reports and could/should have made the decision months, possibly years, ago when the companies were thinking of ordering their kit for 5G
For beancounters the value of 7-year-old kit should be near zero, but they will see the cost of replacement that kit, rather than leave it in place until it fails
(and there will always be one forgotten site discovered to be still running ancient kit decades past that deadline)
I have a question for the firmware experts here
is it technically possible for Huawei to provide the source code for the products they sell which could then be compiled and compared to the code in the firmware?
And that would then conclusively prove if it contains any nasties or backdoors ?
I believe the biggest reason for this is the US sanctions affecting the Huawei supply chain, so that they can't get chips etc from suppliers connected to the USA, hence more likely to buy from shadier suppliers.
The question is: are Nokia, Ericsson, et al suitably supported to be secure? The CCP can lean on Huawei to do its bidding, but they can equally lean on/penetrate Nokia.
I believe the biggest reason for this is the US sanctions affecting the Huawei supply chain, so that they can't get chips etc from suppliers connected to the USA, hence more likely to buy from shadier suppliers. ..... John 62
Here's a pretty comprehensive and extensive outline/inside track on the shenanigans, John 62 ..... https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/a-different-future-for-telecoms-in-the-uk ..... and authored by someone one would like to think knows what they are talking about.
If that is not the case, then surely UBFCUK'd and/or there be a monumental fraud booted and afoot.
Which alternative do you prefer to believe is the classier ACT? Almighty Brains in a Commanding Control Centre or Half Baked Nit Wits on a Jolly Cruising Holiday?
Which presents the question ........ Do NCSC do ACTs ?...... as in Advanced Cyber Threats and/or Treats? Global Operating Devices would have you know.
"""Regrettably our future in the UK has become politicised, this is about US trade policy and not security. Over the past 20 years, Huawei has focused on building a better connected UK. As a responsible business, we will continue to support our customers as we have always done."""
That concerns me greatly given China has a law requiring that all Chinese citizens in a position to spy on the west, must do so.
Further, my sympathy for any Chinese owned company has been significantly curtailed thanks to their handling of COVID-19, and the fact that the world would not be in the position we're in had they not sought to hide it from everyone. Do not forget that people in China speaking out about this still to this day continue to "disappear" randomly.
Lastly, theft in China for Intellectual Property is significantly high. Purchasing such high quantities of goods at a cheap price just encourages that.
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