Latest twitter update says an authentication certificate has expired, which seems slightly amateurish.
Microsoft Teams starts February with a good, old-fashioned TITSUP*
Microsoft's Slack-for-Suits collaboration platform has decided that Mondays aren't for it and has gone back to bed, much to the distress of Office 365 customers around the world. Problems began at around 1pm, rapidly reaching a crescendo of wailing from users unable to while away their day on chat channels and forced instead …
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 20:08 GMT Michael Wojcik
Indeed.
When you get the certificate, you know when it expires. Perhaps Microsoft should sell some sort of software that provides a calendar with a reminder feature?
You can check the certificate's expiration date at any time, since it's part of the certificate.
You can trivially automate the process of checking a certificate's expiration date. There are any number of tools which do this.
You can easily automate the process of renewing certificates before they expire.
This is not the first time that Microsoft has been caught out by an expired certificate for a public service. Over the years they haven't been able to establish corporate policy and tooling to prevent this?
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Monday 3rd February 2020 16:29 GMT Sykowasp
Amateur Hour 365
Certificate renewal reminders shouldn't be a problem in 2020. Amateur hour from Microsoft here.
Stick your certificates into your asset management system (or whatever you use), mark them critical, and ensure that the asset expiry alerts (use a system that does this) are acted upon.
You can't rely on some certificate authority renewal email going to the fired-ex-manager's email address and being lost. Even worse is that I'm sure that the certificate was probably issued by Microsoft themselves in this case.
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Monday 3rd February 2020 18:30 GMT Anonymous Coward
Executive Hubris
A series of non-IT execs shoved us into the O365 cloud so they could "collaborate better" without considering the down sides. They gave up an on-premise solution with a 10GB network fiber backbone, 1GB to the desktop with full blown QoS and an exceptional up-time rating.
During the meetings, our VP told the rest of the problems inherent to cloud computing and one of the other Finance VP's wafted his hand dismissively stating, "It'll be fine..."
That same VP was just pounding my desk an hour ago screaming for me to sort things out. An Excel document he needs for this afternoons Board of Directors meeting is in the cloud and currently inaccessible. He has just been introduced to the realities of cloud computing.
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Monday 3rd February 2020 21:49 GMT WolfFan
Re: Executive Hubris
I always mark important files and folders as "Always keep on this device"... if I put them on cloudy stuff in the first place, I usually park that kind of thing on a local share on a NAS. I usually have a copy of everything that's on cloudy stuff, OneDrive, iCloud, DropBox, GoogleDrive, etc., on thumb drives and/or external spinning drives somewhere or on a NAS, or some combination. (I have this peculiar liking for backups. Strange, I know.) I might have some items on more than one cloudy thing. I definitely have stuff in more than one local store. Some of the local stores might be ancient history stuff, such as tape, or might be external drives which, like tape, are offline until I want them to be. This makes the files there not only backed up, usually to multiple different media, but offline, making it hard to drop ransomware on them. Certain elements have stated that my 'obsession' with storage indicates that I might be a 'hoarder' and that perhaps we don't need all those copies. I smile sweetly and tell them that I'll be happy to exclude their files from the backups in future, but they will then be responsible for replacing any files which took a walk, for any reason, including someone fat-fingering something and deleting the wrong file/folder/entire volume.. For some reason there are no further comments. (Yes, someone in Accounting once killed an entire volume. This was after they insisted that they needed, they had to have, full admin access, over my objections. I repeated my objections in writing. They demanded access, in writing. Three weeks later the volume showed up empty. No, I didn't BOFH it, though I could have, I just waited for the inevitable to happen. It actually took longer than I'd thought it would. After I restored the volume from backups which I'd made despite being told to not waste the space and besides these were confidential files for the eyes of Accounting only, I revoked their admin access, and stated why, in writing, using phrases like 'gross incompetence' and 'should be a termination offence'. Accounting hates me. Someone tried to raise a stink about the fact that I'd made copies of their eyes-only files. I pointed out that without those copies they'd be re-entering every single one of them. All 375GB. Higher-higher told them to shut up.)
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 19:31 GMT Doctor Syntax
Re: Executive Hubris
"They gave up an on-premise solution with a 10GB network fiber backbone, 1GB to the desktop with full blown QoS and an exceptional up-time rating."
Perhaps this is the time to turn up with a purchase order to reinstate that. Even better if you can come up with an innocent sounding project title which is a backronym for something along the lines of I TOLD YOU SO or YOU WERE TOLD.
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Monday 3rd February 2020 18:53 GMT Eponymous Bastard
Sucks
Where I work we're being encouraged to "embrace the modern office" which includes Teams. I fucking loathe it. We've managed without it for years. I hope it stays borked or can be further borked by some little dweeb out there. I don't even want to think about privacy when it comes to all the data Redmond can slurp.
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 08:11 GMT Mike 137
Re: Sucks
Guess who effectively runs all our businesses now (or at least can stop them in their tracks). We really have to consider carefully whether we can safely hand over our business management to unreliable third parties. We seem to have managed in the past without doing so and it was safer. It did, however, involve accepting greater responsibility than seems to be popular these days. The modern approach seems to be "outsource and be damned" - and one really can be if one does so.
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 20:08 GMT Michael Wojcik
Re: Sucks
Here the Teams rollout hasn't proved popular, at least with the people I work with. Email volumes haven't changed noticeably, and the Teams traffic is far less than even on the relatively unpopular RocketChat installation it replaced. There are days when there's no traffic at all on the 20+ channels I'm subscribed to, and days when it's nothing but robot traffic - announcements of people joining or leaving channels, auto-posts from CI systems, and that sort of thing.
It's been nearly six months, and many people seem to be using it grudgingly and as little as possible, while many others seem to be successfully ignoring it entirely.
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Wednesday 5th February 2020 17:15 GMT JohnFen
Re: Sucks
> It's been nearly six months, and many people seem to be using it grudgingly and as little as possible, while many others seem to be successfully ignoring it entirely.
That's been the pattern where I work -- Teams is ignored by most people when possible, because it does more harm than good. The big exception is the suit who demanded that we get rid of the old system in favor of O365, and particularly teams. He is constantly putting stuff on the company-wide Teams team (channel?) and then complains that nobody ever responds.
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 09:06 GMT 0laf
Teams Team screwup borks customers Teams Teams
Why the fuck call it 'Teams'? It's fucking confusing
And why back it onto fucking SharePoint so it screws up corporate retention all over the place.
Why MS Why? Why not try speaking to your customers before rolling out your next wonder of fuckupppery.
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 09:44 GMT Anonymous Tribble
Certificate Renewal
Some years ago the company I worked for had a new customer with a certificate that was coming up for renewal. They had already obtained a new certificate and sent it to me to be applied to their web server.
I'd never dealt with certificates before, so I set up some test systems with a minimal copy of their web server (just the front page), DNS and a few other things. All in a totally isolated environment with no internet connection. I got it working on that, then told them that I was ready to apply it to their live system. The system was unavailable for about 30 seconds while I put the certificate in place and restarted Apache.
I called them back as soon as I was done. They were astonished. Apparently their previous provider had messed up badly when they tried to renew the certificates and their system was unavailable for over two days.
They were very happy and put in a recommendation that I should get a bonus, which, when it filtered down through the chain in our company, came out as "You did your job. So what.". Never mind that I spent half the weekend of my own time and own equipment at home, unpaid, testing things to make sure I'd get it right first time. :(
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Tuesday 4th February 2020 20:58 GMT vogon00
Not impressed..
OK, Microsoft's latest global-bollocks product had a hiccaugh, human error as usual most likely (I assume MS don't use self-renewing certs from Lets Encrypt). Move along, nothing to see here, bullshit big business as usual.
Who I'm not impressed with is the doof quoted in the article...Scott Hoag. Why so?
Dialling in a fact of life no matter how you do it.. with Circuit-switched PSTN, the CS ISDN, or some packet switched VoIP stuff. The voice is the same*, it's just the address (E.164 vs. URI + Authentication bollocks) that's different - you even use a microphone and speaker!.
If he *was* a savage, he'd be forced to physically meet someone to exchange voice communication....no PSTN, no ISDN, no internet, no VOIP, not even the two empty tins with some string. Twat obviously doesn't appreciate how lucky he is to have the options he does, or how foolish he is for relying on the latest mongo-scale populist BS that can be crippled by having one bit or date out of place.
I don't get riled easily, hardy ever, and I don't usually do violence upon people, but in this case I desperately want to punch this total knobber in the face for the crass stupidity of his comment. He needs to count his blessings.....despite having an implied dig at Microsoft which is warranted in this state.
Someone with a handle as techie as 'ciphertxt' should be more commenting with a more technical, less business development focus. Still, not as bad as it could be - the idiot** could have spelt it 'cyphertxt'.
Grrrr x 10^3 ....
* Circuit switched voice is actually better (Quality, Delay, Echo) , but not the current 'flavor of the decade'....,however I'm biased having worked on National scale circuit-switched voice and data, as well as the packet-switched versions.
** I've used 'twat' and 'idiot', because the adjectives I had originally selected wouldn't make it past the moderators. SOOOO ANGRY!