People can die with their eyes open, so that's really not relevant. What is relevant is that accurate facial recognition (especially on a platform as limited as a phone) is simply a pipe dream.
Not a good look, Google: Pixel 4 mobes can be face-unlocked even if you're asleep... or dead?
Pixel 4 owners can unlock their smartphones with their faces even if they have their eyes closed. That's not good. Google’s Face Unlock feature in the new smartphone uses machine-learning algorithms to recognize your face and grant access to the device's apps and data. The biometric system is designed to ensure that only you …
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Thursday 17th October 2019 20:52 GMT Hyper72
Well, I've disabled "attention detection" on my iPhone so it doesn't require me to stare directly at it. I was discussing this on some forum or other. Turns out a lot of people don't or can't trust their own family while they're sleeping so they really enjoy that feature. Completely unexpected for me and a sad thing to hear really.
Generally this kind of infrared dot projection is actually extremely good and not at all "a pipe dream". It recognizes me with/without beard, hat and glasses only fails with sunglasses. It is also very very hard to cheat for other people, except twins.
Though for people fearing getting arrested by the FBI/CIA/KGB/NSA a long passphrase is the only way to go but that kind of people should be going through burner phones like nobody's business anyway.
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Friday 18th October 2019 09:44 GMT I ain't Spartacus
Turns out a lot of people don't or can't trust their own family while they're sleeping so they really enjoy that feature. Completely unexpected for me and a sad thing to hear really.
Depends on what you mean by trust? For example my brother doesn't trust his children with access to his phone. Mostly because if they can get access to it - they can go to his account settings and disable the timelock that stops their iPads working after 6pm...
But yes it is sad, and I know some people who've gone through messy divorces who would be well advised to trust to good passwords. Given that your biometrics should be your username and not your password.
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Thursday 17th October 2019 22:37 GMT Anonymous Coward
I just tried with my 11 max and it won't unlock if I have only one eye open. I don't have the ability to point one pupil at the phone and one elsewhere so I can't test that, but I'm guessing it probably wouldn't unlock unless it has the 'attention' of both eyes. Aiming both pupils in the same direction might be a problem with a dead person, even after you open their eyes. I've never tried (and don't want to) so I don't know how difficult it might be to alter their gaze.
Though I can't say I'm too concerned whether someone is able to unlock my phone once I'm dead. I don't have anything on there anywhere near valuable enough to kill me for, and anything embarrassing on there can't embarrass me when I'm dead!
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Friday 18th October 2019 07:19 GMT Muscleguy
You can close the eyelids of a recent deceased. I expect you could rearrange an eyeball and have it stay there (assuming the head is lying perfectly level wrt the eyeballs since gravity will still be in operation).
BTW your eyes stay open when you are anaesthetic as well. Anaesthetists tape your eyelids down during operations since they can open spontaneously if just closed. When operating on mice (science) if it was going to take a while I would have a dropper filled with saline for moistening their always open eyeballs.
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Thursday 17th October 2019 20:20 GMT Nate Amsden
Re: Erm
How about if your dead /hands are cold /no blood flowing? Biometrics in phones is one feature I don't mind, at least I'm not forced to use it(which I don't, also don't do much sensitive stuff like banking or shopping on my phone with anything other than temporary credit card numbers(which are generated on my computer)).
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Thursday 17th October 2019 20:57 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Erm
I've been told if you are dead your capillaries collapse and the fingerprint sensor stops working on your finger, but I have not tried the experiment.
I like fingerprint recognition. Why are people so determined that they should be able to track my face? Have the Stasi infiltrated the phone industry?
(It was said that the reason that East German cameras were comparatively good was because the Stasi demanded good lenses for facial recognition. Orwo film was also not at all bad.)
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Friday 18th October 2019 07:22 GMT Muscleguy
Re: Erm
And because Leica and I think an arm of Zeiss were located in the east. Germany had long been very good at lens making before the Wall came down. Both companies still exported of course. A good earner.
Leica scopes have been a fixture in all the labs I’ve worked in from before the Wall as well as after. Plenty of old Leica scopes as well.
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Friday 18th October 2019 16:13 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Erm
Leitz and Zeiss having plant in the East wouldn't have helped them if nobody important wanted the product. The East had one gee-whiz two stroke designer. Walther Kaaden. Their motorbikes, as used by the military, with the 250 engine, were OK. The Trabant, to be driven by ordinary people, not so much.
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Thursday 17th October 2019 21:21 GMT Fruit and Nutcase
Re: Erm
"Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone"
No danger waking up the owner or need to cut off fingers; if the phone is a Galaxy S10...
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Friday 18th October 2019 05:07 GMT doublelayer
Re: Erm
Most good fingerprint sensors won't work on a lifted fingerprint, so you have to pick up someone's hand and physically place the finger on the sensor. Since people move a bit in sleep and the sensor requires sustained contact, you'd also have to hold their finger there for a second or two. In addition, many sensors aren't great and require multiple scans, which means possibly having to lift and reapply the finger. Some people may sleep soundly enough that you can pick up their hand, separate one finger to avoid interference, and hold it to something else, but I doubt it's all that many people. The majority who would wake up would now know the exact person trying to access their device, have very clear proof, and be in convenient punching range (either from gaining lucidity admirably quickly or simply a strong enough startle reflex). Judging from how well my cat can wake me up, it won't work on me.
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Friday 18th October 2019 07:51 GMT RyokuMas
Small beans...
"... theoretically someone else could access your handheld by pointing one of the cameras at your fizog..."
Ah, but that's just one person, and they have to have access to your device. Given that Google already have your data from the moment you first set up the phone, that's over 100,000 people who "theoretically" have access to anything important on your handset: one more is pretty small beans in the grand scheme of things...
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Friday 18th October 2019 11:54 GMT DrBed
So I'll have to buy iPhone 11...
But wait... what if you are sleeping with open eyes (I know some people do)? Or if you're drunk and your eyes are weld barely half open, how do you call a cab? Or if you upgrade to Molly Millions (>Neuromancer)? I have to buy it and ask Siri about these issues.
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