Site admin caught with their pants down !!!
Some fokken arse has bared the privates of 250,000 users' from Dutch brothel forum
A Dutch vBulletin forum for sex workers and their clients has reportedly been hacked using that infamous RCE vuln, baring the privates (and data) of a quarter of a million people. The forum, named Hookers.nl in an endearingly Dutch way, currently has its user data for sale for just €300 on a cybercriminals' forum, according to …
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Friday 11th October 2019 10:35 GMT Anonymous Coward
My name is almost as common as 'John Smith', and it actually provides me with a lot of anonymity on the internet. Google my name and you find I've been in several bands, played different sports at the international level for several countries, been awarded medals by many armed services etc. etc.
Real me doesn't even appear.
And that's why you should name your child Anonymous Coward.
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Friday 11th October 2019 16:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
My name is almost as common as 'John Smith', and it actually provides me with a lot of anonymity on the internet. Google my name and you find I've been in several bands, played different sports at the international level for several countries, been awarded medals by many armed services etc. etc.
You are Kim Jong-un and I claim my £5.
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Thursday 10th October 2019 15:36 GMT Stevie
Bah!
Thinking process of DBA:
"I want to aggregate a whole bunch of data for people engaging in behavior deemed salacious or illegal in various parts of the world and by various cults. I will, for reasons that will later seem incomprehensibly stupid with a capital stupe, *not* encrypt the records in their entirety. I see no downside."
Whoever designed this database should have their fingers broken.
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Thursday 10th October 2019 16:24 GMT GnuTzu
Re: Way to go El Reg
Oh, but johnsmith@gmail.com could well be a dead address used for identifying spam, if gmail does that sort of thing.
Such practices have been in use for over a decade. I myself have spam learning folders that get fed by all my old email addresses. It's so very satisfying.
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Thursday 10th October 2019 20:15 GMT A.P. Veening
Re: Way to go El Reg
Wasn't the original phone number of an Islington flat where Arthur met a very nice astrophysicist actually a real phone number.
Happened with a song and a telephone number in München (Munich, Germany):
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Thursday 10th October 2019 15:45 GMT Grikath
hmmm....
Now why would anyone be interested in the emails of customers of professional independent entrepeneurs, who like any good citizen pay their taxes and VAT without fail? ( yes, sex workers in clogland are classed the same as say... independent plumbers, and are generally thought to give better value for money..)
Double points for the subhead though!
(for those not knowing a shred of dutch: the "ja hoor!" ( yeah..riiight!..) is pronounced "yah wh*re" to the untrained ear.. )
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Thursday 10th October 2019 16:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: hmmm....
A small point: an entrepreneur is a middleman (he takes (prendre) in the middle(entre). The website is an entrepreneur. The professionals are self employed businesspeople.
Back in the early, optimistic days of the Internet the talk was of disintermediation - that is to say, getting rid of the intermediate steps in buying and selling chains. The actual outcome has been a pile up of levels of intermediation within organisations like Crapita, and a lack of transparency. Oh how overoptimistic we were.
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Thursday 10th October 2019 17:32 GMT Blazde
Re: hmmm....
"sex workers in clogland are classed the same as say... independent plumbers, and are generally thought to give better value for money"
I'd say their respective service levels depend mainly on the kind of pipe you need unclogging.
Choose the wrong professional for the job and you'll always get a bad outcome. "Hi, I need someone who can do a good long rodding.. yes it is quite urgent, can you come over and get started right away?"
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Thursday 10th October 2019 22:19 GMT IGotOut
Re: hmmm....
Prostitution is also legal in the UK...
Incorrect.
There is a huge difference against not prosecuting someone and it being legal. For starters, they could start arresting them because the Daily Mail in on yet another right wing, piss poor researched morale crusade and the current powers that be, decide they need the votes, and not after worry about annoying things such as getting it through parliment.
The legal method would require a change in the law and good look not annoying the morale brigade in that.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/prostitution-and-exploitation-prostitution#_Toc534624525
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/54
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Friday 11th October 2019 12:08 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: hmmm....
> For starters, they could start arresting them because the Daily Mail in on yet another right wing, piss poor researched morale crusade
Except currently most of the problem is left wing feminists who are against the idea of men being allowed to buy women's bodies and feel that any women who choose to enter the industry are being forced to do so and as such they feel that they are campaigning to rescue these poor souls. Largely they are campaigning for the so called Scandinavian/Nordic model where they would like to see the purchasing of sex illegal rather than the selling of it. The stats coming out of Ireland since they adopted this legal stance shows that it has led to a significant rise in violent crimes against those it claims to protect.
Probably the best way to help those to would rather not be in the industry would be remove some of the pressures which are causing the desperate to engage in survival sex as they feel they have no other option open to them.
After that, coming down like a ton of bricks on those who are forcing people into providing sexual services against their wills. But while the whole industry is largely hidden it is more difficult to spot those.
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Monday 14th October 2019 09:37 GMT CBM
Re: hmmm....
Not generally left wing. Because you don't like what they are saying you conclude they must be from the "other" side. Every time I've looked into one of these groups it has proven to be a false flag operation. They call themselves feminists, and use language that seems to focus on secular rights, but if you look into the background of the people involved in the groups promoting the "save them" antiporn/antiprostitution/"Nordic model", you will find most of them belong to conservative churches. Even if they could be called feminists, they are certainly not left wing.
SWERF (Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist) is a (not complimentary) term that is used by other feminists to describe those who would exclude sex work from the definition of freedom.
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Monday 14th October 2019 15:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: hmmm....
> Not generally left wing. Because you don't like what they are saying you conclude they must be from the "other" side.
My comment was at least partly based on well publicised statements by the woman who was formerly the deputy labour leader. A job description which at least to my mind doesn't count as right wing. I understand that there are other female Labour MPs who have also taken up this mantel. A quick google shows this isn't purely a left wing viewpoint.
It had not been my intention in any way to make this issue party political. I'm currently inclined to feel they all as bad as each other.
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Monday 14th October 2019 12:55 GMT Grikath
Re: Dutch
Little to do with "Bravery"....
I'm of the opinion that it's Good Form to appreciate the fact that El Reg is quite often read in the Workplace, so it makes sense to "bleep out" words that will quite likely trigger the corporate filters.
Or make use of the many, many, many alternatives english has for taboo words, but that simply wasn't possible in this case.
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Thursday 10th October 2019 22:09 GMT Claverhouse
Same sort of people who get fake outraged at Stallman & Trump...
I would like to know why you used the stock illustration of a perfectly nice young model under Some fokken arse has bared the privates of 250,000 users' from Dutch brothel forum --- 'Hookers.nl is committed to privacy and we deeply regret the situation.' Ja, hoor!
That's News of the World nasty.
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https://www.readersdigest.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2017/07/shutterstock_412848658.jpg
if you take it down.
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Thursday 10th October 2019 22:33 GMT IGotOut
Re: Same sort of people who get fake outraged at Stallman & Trump...
It's called stock photography, get over it.
And do you know her personally?
She could be a devil worshiping, baby eating mass murderer for all you know.
Reg, as he one of those that like to be offended on others behalf, can you change it to something more realustic, say an elderly, overweight drunk balding guy eating shit from a crack addicted trafficked sex worker from eastern europe.
Thanks.
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Friday 11th October 2019 11:36 GMT First Light
Jokes aside
US State Dept Human Rights Report 2018
" . . the Netherlands is a source, destination, and transit country for men, women, and children subjected to sex trafficking and forced labor. The largest group of identified victims are Dutch girls enticed by young male traffickers, known as "lover boys," who coerce vulnerable girls into sexual exploitation, often through a sham romantic relationship. . . The Netherlands is a source country for child sex tourists."
Legalizing prostitution requires a supply that can NEVER meet demand since the vast majority of women (shocker!) don't want to do it. Inevitable result: increase in human trafficking, as seen in NSW, and lax enforcement, as seen in the Netherlands, where trafficking is underreported and prosecutions are few and far between and result in light sentences. https://www.dutchrapporteur.nl/current/news/victims-of-human-trafficking-still-underreported.aspx
One also questions the need for legalized prostitution in the age of Tinder, etc. Much easier to get shagged these days without even paying for it. You don't even have to buy someone a drink at a bar anymore.
I personally do not believe that a fair balance of rights has been struck between the small number of women who WANT to work as prostitutes (in a country with significant other employment opportunities for women and free public education) and their loser-ass clients, and the much larger number of women, men and kids who get trafficked and raped in a black market which has been expanded by legalization.
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Saturday 12th October 2019 11:42 GMT Danny 2
Re: Jokes aside
It's a complicated issue. I've read academic feminist criticism of the "Swedish model" of criminalisation of the Johns as it drives the trade underground and beyond regulation. Compared to the "Dutch model" where the workers are taxed, unionised and safer. Even that is an inaccurate simplification of course.
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Monday 14th October 2019 11:46 GMT Cederic
Re: Jokes aside
Sexual exploitation and trafficking will occur where providing personal services is not legal too, so I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument against legalisation.
If anything a regulated legal industry offers customers a level of certainty that they are in fact not supporting exploitation.
I would also suggest avoiding terms such as 'loser-ass clients'; a lot of escorts have repeat customers that are primarily paying for someone to sit there and listen sympathetically to them, and not for sex at all. Other clients prefer the relative honesty of a straightforward transaction rather than the complexities and deceits involved in a relationship, even one lasting only a single night.
Any legislation needs to balance a large range of complex and nuanced motives and needs that the industry services, from both providers and customers, and demonising participants is unhelpful.
(For the record: I've never engaged in prostitution, in any role, although based on the approaches I get while dancing I could probably earn a decent living as a male escort)
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Saturday 12th October 2019 08:09 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re. Bared
Actually there is a subset of folks who go and work in people's houses, sans clothing doing the usual cleaning tasks.
Not sure what the term is but some of them use similar forums, and the hourly rate is actually in some cases lower than the "Official" cleaners.
(gets coat, trench obviously)