You go that way, we'll go Huawei: China Computer Federation kicks back at IEEE in tit-for-tat spat Following disquiet over the IEEE's decision to block Huawei-linked researchers from doing various academic tasks, a Chinese computer research body has reportedly severed ties with the IEEE in retaliation. The China Computer Federation (CCF) declared that it is suspending communications with the US-based Institute of Electrical …
How better to show them that is really bad than by imposing US law on non-US citizens outside of the US?
It's not about citizens. It's about companies doing business in another country. If your company is doing business in another country, then you have to follow their laws as applicable.
I'm tending to believe that this current pissing contest is more about politics and bullying than any thing else.
I can't understand if you're criticizing the US stance or trying to support it.
Because that's exactly what the US want, for US entities to follow US law, and for Chinese entities (or only Huawei?) not to follow Chinese law. And as a bonus, every other entity around the world must also follow US law. Very proportionate and sensible, isn't it?
The IEEE has long been accepted by the international community. Being subject to US law only becomes a problem when US law is abused. But the more that happens, the more the world will have to look elsewhere.
Not that it's actually US law as in "rule of law". Tantrump set that aside with the magic invocation "national emergency".
The IEEE in its role as a standards coordinator is not trading with anyone. I suppose someone that doesn't understand why it exists might assume that as a publisher that owns the copyright of the resulting standards its got something to sell but in reality its just an umbrella organization acting as proxy for its various industry members. Since most of these members will be overseas corporations its not a big deal to move the work to an alternative, more reliable, organization.
(Its worth reminding ourselves why crystallographic standards post DES are not developed or standardized in the US.)
Nah. What is more likely is that the USA is going to be replaced by another entity, say, the EU, who will guarantee academic freedom and foster intellectual endeavors.
As the US is stripping itself of all credibility in more and more domains, it will be shunned and ignored until nothing of importance happens behind its borders walls any more except school shootings.
When all international standards are managed in a proper international environment, the world will be a better place.
And at that point, if the USA doesn't want to comply with international standards, it can go twiddle its inbred sister in the trailer.
"As the US is stripping itself of all credibility in more and more domains, it will be shunned and ignored until nothing of importance happens behind its borders walls any more except school shootings."
And nothing of value was lost.
All the good stuff America used to do was imported germans, chinese and japanese anyway.
"another entity, say, the EU, who will guarantee academic freedom and foster intellectual endeavors."
How's academic freedom doing in our sister states like Poland, where it's a criminal offence to contradict the government's position that "Poles did nothing wrong in WW2", or Hungary, which recently shut down the Central European University for getting too uppity? Or even here in the UK, where people like Peter Hitchins (who's certainly a disagreeable windbag, but hardly a Nazi) gets no-platformed at universities?
>A bit late to change venue now, but what are the odds the next occasion will be outside of the USA?
Given the way it works, that is practically a certainty. The question is whether they vote and adopt a resolution to cease holding meetings in the US due to both the US's current actions and to safeguard their non-US members who may run the risk of their delegates being arrested etc. if they step foot on US/Canadian soil.
I wonder if Huawei can so the same sort of thing as Qualcomm for 5G essential patents - insist on licences paying Huawei for a wider patent portfolio and buying other products"
"Oh, you can't do business with us because of the blacklisting in your country? Then, sorry you can't use our standards essential 5G set of patents which the rest of the world are happy and able to use".
I'm sure that this would cause a fairly quick waver from the Department of Commerce or whoever controls the entity list, but if Huawei tagged a lot of other things onto the package it could be quite complex to navigate and would slow down US 5G manufacturers.
Andy
Can someone explain why using a Huawei/Honor phone presents a security risk to the US? It just seems spiteful on these phone users worldwide to bork them from updates, Maps and Search.
So long as the phone is not used by US Gov employees, how can a Huawei phone spy on the government or cripple the infrastructure.
Maybe there is something I am missing.
Tracking all the activities of 320M people at a microscopic level (apps, cameras, videos, motion, location, messages,, emails) would endanger the US. 320M is not a large number from a computational perspective. And remember, all the information is available to the Chinese govt. As Cambridge Analytica clearly showed, just Facebook profiles are sufficient to manipulate large populations. I can bet the Chinese govt. would spend a 100B to be able to manipulate the US. Which is why Huawei can undercut all the competition.
The Chinese have obliterated Tiananmen from the working memories of their people. They have been ruthless about brainwashing their Uighiar populations. They will have fun manipulating our MAGA supporters.
I can bet the Chinese govt. would spend a 100B to be able to manipulate the US. Which is why Huawei can undercut all the competition.
But... but Huawei phones are not present at US market anyway!
Putin didn't have to spent 100B, nor to develop Huawei - he only needs one creature in charge - Trump. Correct me if I am wrong, Putin is not (represent of) Chinese.
New taxes for Mexico: this is supposed to hurt China too, because NAFTA/USMCA means "free-trade alliance" of China's big trade partners? What I'm missing?
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