HTC U12+: You said we should wait and review the retail product. Hate to break it to you, but... "There will be no HTC U12," the man from HTC told journalists in briefings ahead of the launch of this year's flagship. "And no U12++." Company executives stressed that, for 2018, there would be just one flagship, and the HTC U12+ was it. HTC may be advised to revisit that statement. Why? The HTC U12+ is a sleek, powerful and …
"As is the norm, unfortunately these can only be hidden"
When you disable an app, you remove it's execute permission, you aren't hiding it from the launcher, you are making sure it, can't can run even in the background, and it cant be executed, or itself execute anything else. Aside from the storage space it takes up, it's as good as removed.
"Not sure if semantics has evolved over the last decade, but if something still takes up storage space, it's NOT removed. Just because something is hidden or disabled doesn't mean it's removed."
Assuming these apps are on the /system partition (which they probably are) then you wouldn't be able to use that space, even if they were removed, at least without rooting. On the plus side, disabling them does prevent further space being taken up by (non-firmware) updates, which are not applied to /system.
Just because something is hidden or disabled doesn't mean it's removed
Or that it can't be re-enabled by a future update? I'm sure I had this some years ago; disabled apps re-enabling themselves. Is that still possible?
Since then I've used Cyanogenmod and LineageOS...
M.
Disabled apps aren't updated and dont magically reenabke themselves either. For a technology blog, there are alotnof technology illiterate people here..
And "disabled" is far closer to "removed" than it is to just "hidden"...
It's non visible, non executable, non updatable..
Remember when all car ads from the 90's were the same? Just a long list of the optional features, that all the competitors also had? Air con! Central locking! Power steering! Electric windows! Yawn*
We've definitely reached that point now with phones.
*(These persisted for far too long despite a spot-on piss-take, possibly voiced by Hugh Laurie. "It has windows you can see through, and Doors, so you can get in and out...")
"Fewer moving parts should make for a more reliable phone."
I'm only at the beginning of reading the article, but I had to comment on this. Replacing physical buttons with haptic feedback isn't fewer moving parts. How do you think the make the phone vibrate? Hint, it involves something that moves quickly enough to be felt as vibrations. It would move much more to fake a button push, than a button push would.
Still on the first page. lol
"This is a phone that knows it's being held – and what's on so it won't rotate or dim during a video, if you're holding it (you can turn this off)."
But what if you are holding it wrong?
I know, I know, that's Apple, but it's such a wonderful meme, someone had to say it.
Paris, coz I wouldn't hold her wrong.
IP67 means 30 minutes submersion in water up to 1 meter, IP68 means 30 minutes submersion in water over 1 meter (the manufacturer is supposed to say what depth)
I suppose theoretically if it could handle 3 meters it could survive a drop in the pool but I doubt the extra water pressure would harm a typical IP67 phone if you went in after it quickly - though in either case the chlorine (or salt in the ocean) is a potential issue the IP ratings are silent on since it is "fresh water" only.
"You can stop crying now onefang, removable batteries aren’t coming back."
They've never gone away. There are plenty of phones with removable covers in other parts of the world. It's just the headliners that insist on planned obsolescence. I'm surprised there hasn't been a bigger push to mandate removable batteries after the Note 7 debacle: probably because those batteries were actually new and non-bulging.
When the F-16 was introduced the side stick controller didn't move, it just sensed the pressure the pilot was applying. This was so universally disliked that it was replaced with a more conventional moving part fairly early on. Who knew four decades later phone companies would be relearning the lesson...
"Apparently, that's how long it takes for technology to make its way form military jets to consumer electronics."
Actually it's normally the other way round. The approval process on military technology is very long, and so by the time it's flying it is long out of date in technology terms. A figure I've seen quoted is around a decade at the design level, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit based on experience.
But the Chinese consumer industry is relatively young and so is going to recycle ideas that never made it to commercial production in the West, like pop-up cameras, because (I suspect) of lack of that extensive experience of what end users will and won't accept.
"But the Chinese consumer industry is relatively young and so is going to recycle ideas that never made it to commercial production in the West,"
Except that HTC is from Taiwan, not China. I know, China says there is no difference; but when it comes to experience of consumers, there should be.
What's wrong with buttons? They're simple and they work. Mind you I still put my phone down and reach for a computer/laptop with a proper keyboard if I need to type more than one or two sentences. I think all these phone manufacturers are arbitrarily removing or changing things for the sake of it now just so they have something to put in their marketing spiel.
Mechanical buttons can break and can be pressed by accident while in your pocket. Both of these happen regularly for me so I'm reasonably interested in this development.
I don't think that the PSB is a panacea, There are many situations that buttons are superior in, but if it's an option and can be made to work in such a way not to engender such dislike from a reviewer then I'd be willing to give it a go.
why do they put "18:9"
Because then it matches 21:9 (approximately the ratio for cinema films, and the way it's described on the DVD sleeve) 16:9 (normal widescreen TVs) and 12:9 (older tellies, also known as 4:3).
Another case of "bigger is better" I suppose. Now, how about these 16:10 projectors I have?
M.
Saying "18:9" makes it easy to see that it's slightly wider than the 16:9 ratio everyone is familiar with from TV sets. Express that as 2:1, and you need to do some division in your head to discover that 16:9 is 1.78:1 and therefore not as wide an aspect ratio as 2:1.
The commonly-seen ratios, in order of narrow to wide, are 4:3, 11:8, 3:2, 16:10, 16:9, 1.85:1, 2.39:1 - it's pretty hard to see a pattern there without actually reducing the ratios down to a common denominator. Nine has become that denominator consumer electronics, purely because 16:9 widescreen TV had such a massive marketing effort behind its adoption. (When Philips launched the first 2.37:1 TV set a few years back, they called it "21:9" even though that wasn't its actual ratio, but using "to 9" meant that people would realise it was wider than standard widescreen, at the expense of people who didn't read the spec-sheet complaining that it wasn't wide enough to display the 2.35:1 ratio that's used when mastering 2.39:1 films onto Blu-ray/DVD)
Some companies just love to try and ignore negative feedback until it really becomes an issue. Remember MS desperately claiming that Metro was awesome? It was only a fair chunk of time after Windows 8 came out that they finally had to wake up and accept that the UI was a failure in the market place.
Lenovo also dropped the ball a few years back with the utterly dreadful "Clickpad" on the ThinkPad T440. Again, this "feature" made it to market - despite being universally panned and the issue wasn't fixed until the T450 when Lenovo quietly binned the hated clickpad and went back to a more conventional (and usable) trackpad.
About the only company I can think of that seems to repeatedly get away with annoying changes is Apple...
... I rather suspect there is a PHB with their fingers in their ears in HTC.
There is always a PHB .... somewhere, it just matters how high up the management structure they are.
If high enough they will 'improve' things to prove they are esential to the company, if low enough they are just a delay in getting things done and will be overruled eventually to allow the job to be finished.
Either way there will always be someone trying to blame the 'grunts' for the management F***Ups !!!
Never forget to get everything in writing and save copies off-site :) ;)
Apparently Ernest Turner contributed to the problems at Triumph by going around altering drawings (after he had become MD) and thus messing up stuff that had been properly calculated. And at Ariel one of the technical sales people put the Leader engine into a nice little tubular frame to use for dealer visits and got so much interest from dealers that when he went on holiday the management got hold of the machine and destroyed it.
Unfortunately for every PHB who wants to make his mark by being responsible for a wildly successful product, there's a couple more who just want to get their own way at all costs.
Yes, sorry, you are right. Edward Turner. However, I doubt it could have been a Cub frame. The Leader engine is suspended from above and a Cub frame has nothing to hang it from or any obvious place to add the necessary brackets. However, the Leader engine wasn't very wide.
Making a prototype frame in those days was pretty easy - one of the great virtues of non-welded construction. Monel was often used for prototype lugs, the frame could be adjusted on the jig before brazing, and a modified frame layout could be knocked up in a day. Of course, once production tooling was in place, changes became much, much harder due to cost and supplier agreements.
That's the problem with modern cars, bikes and electronics - they are cheap, reliable and all the rest of it, but once a design decision is made it is very hard to alter. In HTC's case, discovering that the pretend buttons were crap a bit late in the production cycle would possibly have involved just too much of a redesign for a company that's struggling anyway. The analogy between HTC and the British motorcycle industry is closer than I realised.
... HTC decided that buttons needed to go?
Of course, all the things on your list are obviously hard to 'fix' or they would not be on your 'Typical' list ...... so you 'solve' something easier like the 'Buttons' ... even if they do not 'need' to be fixed !!!???
You get something different to make your product stand out .... pity it was not tested as much as it needed, if the review is to be believed.
Quote: "the PSBs make the HTC almost impossible to recommend."
Actually, £699 makes the HTC absolutely impossible to recommend.
It's a. . . phone. As is my existing Nokia 6310i, purchased SIM free in February 2001 for £115 and Mrs V's Sony Erickson K750i, purchased SIM free for £63 in December 2006 in a Littlewoods catalog Christmas sale.
I dunno: isn't there supposed to be a recession on or something in the UK -- long lines at the dole office, soup kitchens in the streets, the Brexit vote signalling we're all doomed???
It's 2018, phones are more or less portable computers and pocket cameras these days. The 'phone' thing is quite frankly an afterthought or 'bonus feature': for example, today there are more mobile phone plans which give a copious amount of monthly data but give limited talktime and/or give no free SMSes.
How much you are willing to pay for a smartphone these days depend on your perceived value of the non-phone features of a device, perhaps fueled by brand loyalty.
"How much you are willing to pay for a smartphone these days depend on your perceived value of the non-phone features of a device"
At £699 it costs more than my tablet and my desktop yet apart from being a phone/camera and being a bit more portable than my tablet, does considerably less. £199 would seem to be a more appropriate price point for a smartphone of this ilk.
"She's made you some kind of laughing stock
Because you dance to disco, and you don't like rock
She'd make fun of you, and even in bed
Said she was gonna go and get herself a real man instead
So ask yourself now: Can you forgive her
If she begs you to?
Ask yourself: Can you even deliver
What she demands of you?
Or do you want revenge?
But that's childish, so childish!"
My current work phone was fine until
An update added crap to the camera
The next force installed and activated facebook
It also disabled uninstall of faceshit
It also added a faceshit icon to the phone
Then a contactless pay system which cannot be disabled, uninstalled and sometimes starts up for no reason. Oh and Icon unremoveable.
Only reason not lump hammered is it worth around £80 at CEX.
My next work phone WILL be clean Android or it will go to CEX unopened and the money from both put towards a phone with no shit.
After following HTC since just before Android and the T-Mobile G1 / HTC Dream launched I have been frustrated by a large number of things but the most consistent complaint I have had is with their cameras. No amount of reinventing the wheel (large pixels) was going to change the image quality and their best has only ever been average at best. When I read this review and the praise heaped on the camera it felt like a "Hallelujah!" moment.
The gesture thing can be disabled according to the review and the sides used as they were in the U11+. If that's true then why such a final rating of "can't recommend"? Out of all the features, they've tried to put forward at least this one can be disabled. If I'm wrong on that then this would be the ultimate "almost" phone for me. Whether or not they'll be around to offer their hopeful two years of updates depends on uptake. I don't see that being fantastically more than the past years regardless of how good the overall experience might be in the end.
Seriously: EVERY reviewer misses it and keeps whining about it.
Since you are as old as me (or even older) "AO", here are some visual cues:
https://imgur.com/a/VwCVvJm
https://imgur.com/a/g4O4pcb
https://imgur.com/a/QlPO05P
FYI I'm using my blue U12+ for 2-3 weeks now and I'm still enjoying every moment with it - it's easily the best phone for 2018, especially if you like to listen to music or use your camera on-the-fly. Also, battery life is phenomenal for me, even survived a day and a night without charging and made it to the office next day (almost until noon.)
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