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IBM will start a breast-milk-delivery-as-a-service offering for female employees and their kids. IBMers sometimes moan that the company's initial stand for “I've Been Moved”, such is the amount of travel or moves to new locales demanded of some employees. Big Blue's decided domestic travel can be a problem for female employees …

  1. Anonymous Coward
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    How very civilised of them

    +1 to IBM

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: How very civilised of them

      or they could give more paid maternity leave?

      1. LaeMing

        Re: How very civilised of them

        Maybe the women don't want more maternity leave. And maybe their contribution to the organisation is important enough to give them these options.

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          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: How very civilised of them

            Hvaing children is a free choice, and one that requires many years of commitment. Why should a company be expected to pay its staff for time they take off for such a personal choice? If I decided to learn to fly a plane, or to go dig wells for African villages, or any number of things which might be personally important to me, I'd be expected to take vacation and/or an unpaid sabbatical. What makes starting a family so different?

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              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: How very civilised of them

                Would you care to actually answer my genuine question (if you can) instead of making condescending remarks?

                Some of us choose not to have children, for many reasons. Why should those who choose not to have them be discriminated against? If you aren't willing to make the time and commitment to raise a family, you shouldn't start one. That includes ensuring that you can shoulder the financial burden, without expecting concessions from your employer.

                1. Graham Marsden
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                  @AC - Re: How very civilised of them

                  How dare the workers ask for time off if they have children? Damnit, that gets in the way of this business making profits! If they want kids, they can do it in their *own* time.

                  "Future of the race?" Not my problem...

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: @AC - How very civilised of them

                    time off if they have children?

                    "time off" is fine. Paid time off is another matter.

                2. adam.c

                  Re: How very civilised of them

                  "What makes starting a family so different?"

                  Mainly the fact a lot more people are likely to be interested in doing it than flying a plane or digging a well for an African village.

                  It's a hard nosed business decision that says making your workplace family friendly is likely to influence a large pool of people who might be choosing to stay or join you.

                  Whereas a campaign stating they will provide extra paid time off for anyone digging a well in Africa is not likely to affect many people directly - it may however give them a warm and fuzzy PR boost.

                  Besides, become senior, valued, critical or important enough and organisations do start to offer things like paid MBA's and time off for the CEO to pursue his yacht racing indulgence.

                3. Test Man

                  Re: How very civilised of them

                  Why should employers give their non-managerial employees holidays at all? Or lunch breaks? Or xmas parties? 100% commitment to the position they were hired in!

                  Well, at least that's your logic anyway.

                  Some employers aren't total idiots and want to give concessions to certain people. If you don't want children, boo hoo cry me a river.

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                5. Jeremy Puddleduck

                  Re: How very civilised of them

                  How on earth are you discriminated against? Providing benefits to other people is not the same as discriminating you, you know. If a mother or father wants to take maternity/paternity leave, or even holidays then it does not have a detrimental effect on you. It may be inconvenient, it may be frustrating, but you are personally not discriminated against - you are conflating the two things.

                  If, now, a woman, that IBM clearly believes contributes to their business is provided with the opportunity to be at work, but also take a short amount of time to express some milk to send to her child then it has no detrimental impact on you, you are not discriminated against. Being jealous, or being inconvenienced because someone is not immediately available is not the same as being discriminated against.

                6. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: How very civilised of them

                  "That includes ensuring that you can shoulder the financial burden, without expecting concessions from your employer."

                  That's fine by us parents, just as long as you are happy to take care of your own medical treatment in future and not expect our kids to nurse you, treat you, feed you and wipe your backside when you end up as a lonely dribbling old wreck. After all you wouldn't want concessions from the rest of us would you?

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: How very civilised of them

            I've worked with enough women to know lots who scratch days off the calendar until they can dump their new born kids on nannies and get back to the real world of work. And it's not because they are short on money. So yes, there are lots of mothers who would rather be at work than stuck at home 24x7 taking care of children. That's what nannies and day care is for.

            1. future research

              Re: How very civilised of them

              I've worked with enough women to know lots who scratch days off the calendar until they can dump their new born kids on nannies and get back to the real world of work. And it's not because they are short on money. So yes, there are lots of mothers who would rather be at work than stuck at home 24x7 taking care of children. That's what nannies and day care is for.

              I also have meet some women like this (but personally question their reason to have kids). There are also some women who need the money and/or to keep their career on track (the cost of child care is only temporary).

              I do think this it probably the wrong solution, and that if the child is still breast feeding the mother should be on maternity level, or working from home (I wonder if a large IT company like IBM has the right resources to make that possible?)

              The wife and I often recall a comedians joke about schooling where rather than sending them to boarding school you might as well go the whole hog and have them adopted.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                FAIL

                Re: How very civilised of them

                To AC and his free choice of not having kids.

                I'm so glad you chose not have children and not want to give paid maternity leave.

                In return, can we choose for our kids not to fund your pension and health care when you retire, so you can live your happy, self centred existence living in gutter before you die penniless.

                If you think YOU are paying for YOUR future, you may want to go and learn some VERY basic economics.

  2. x 7

    I heard that IBM were considering purchasing Alfa-Laval's milk parlour business

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      Joke

      IBM

      International Breast Milk ?

      International Business Mammaries ?

  3. Buzzword

    On-site childcare would be preferable

    So that the tots can see where mummy works all day.

    1. Evil Auditor Silver badge
      Childcatcher

      Re: On-site childcare would be preferable

      Don't be so cruel!

  4. Kingston Black
    Joke

    Shirley the title should have been...

    IBM to offer BREAST MILK express delivery-as-a-service for staff.

    1. Laura Kerr
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      Re: Shirley the title should have been...

      Ah, but would they provide one corporate pump model, offer a number of options or just support BYOD?

  5. ukgnome

    What's the betting this service is sold off in a years time and the breasts are TUPE across to new german owners?

  6. jake Silver badge

    Five years into this project, I predict:

    It will be discovered that the real thing has been siphoned-off to "sports stars" looking for an advantage, and the not very communicative babies will have been supping re-constituted dried cow milk for at least the last four years.

  7. Luke Worm
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    Nonpasteurized

    IBM enters a new content delivery business

  8. NanoMeter
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    So...

    It's only for kids?

  9. Anonymous Coward
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    Meh! Its only a PR stunt.

    Seriously this is a non news event that is only a PR Stunt.

    Before we talk about motive... lets look at the numbers...

    How many employees are women?

    Of those employees of women, what percentage of those women are traveling for work on a regular basis? Or travel as part of their work responsibilities? Then what percentage are taking maternity leave? And what percentage of that are breast feeding vs artificial milk?

    In short, you'll find that this 'benefit' while it makes great PR, really is a benefit that only a few women will use. But its a line item on a list of the many benefits that IBM offers. ;-)

    Imagine though that if IBM were to supply a subsidy for women's birth control, more women would take advantage and it would be a better benefit. (Note: ACA already mandates that Health Insurance must cover this as benefit.) Of course it would also cost more overall...

    Why is IBM doing this?

    At face value... to show women that IBM is a great place to work... they'll let you pump and ship when they put you on the road for work...

    But I suspect that IBM is still in the RIF mode as they retool. Its cheaper to hire new college grads than retrain older more expensive employees. ;-) (And female recent grads are the ones with their biological clock still ticking.)

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