back to article Spooky ghost town vid perfectly sums up YouTube's 8K playback: It's virtually no use to anyone (yet)

Ultra-high definition 8K videos are appearing on YouTube, despite the fact that few home broadband connections on the planet can stream them, and even fewer screens are capable of showing them in their full glory. The video arm of the Mountain View ad giant turned heads this week when a mini-flick called "Ghost Towns in 8K" …

  1. Don Casey
    Headmaster

    Ghost TOWN

    Entire clip appears to have been shot at Bodie State Historic Park in California; east of the Sierra and just north of Mono Lake.

    1. Legend4Games

      Re: Ghost TOWN

      Yep Bodie. And in real-vision (aka my own eyes) it was a stunning place to visit - the light, the clarity, the vibrancy, the contrast - it was like I was seeing in HDR!!

  2. Preston Munchensonton
    Boffin

    Vid Bitrate

    Like any video, the bitrate is variable, but it peaks near 50Mbps and easily averages 30mbps. Given the nearly blank intro, it shouldn't surprise that the minimum rate was below 1Mbps.

  3. Bluto Nash
    Facepalm

    Math - It's hard sometimes

    "its 7680×4320 resolution is twice that of the 3840 x 2160 4K Ultra-HD format." Doing the math, you'd find that it's 4x the resolution as it's doubled in each dimension - same as 4K UHD is 4x the standard 1080p resolution.

    1. coppice

      Re: Math - It's hard sometimes

      Resolution is a linear measure, not an areal one. 7680 is twice the resolution of 3840, and 4320 is twice the resolution of 2160.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Math - It's hard sometimes

        So what would be the resolution multiplier up to a 3840x4320 display?

  4. Chris Miller

    How large a screen is required for the human eye to detect the difference between 4k and 8k resolution? I get the feeling that this technology belongs in the same category as $500 speaker cables for hi-fi fanatics.

    1. foxyshadis

      That depends on you...

      But there are some rules of thumb: With great eyesight, you'd need a 46" or so TV sitting about 5' away (or 60" at 6' away), in order to be able to possibly see any difference between Full HD (1080p) and UHD (4K). Based on that, you'd need at least a 65" screen at 5' to get any benefit out of FUHD (8K), or an 85" screen at 6'. It'd only start becoming obvious and pleasing at nearly twice that size, and that's assuming excellent vision.

      I think they're going to have a very hard time drumming up sales given these stats, outside of those home theater videophiles who crave huge screens and maximum detail. 4K at least has a small but noticeable benefit for anyone who wants a large TV in a small room, and computer monitors.

      1. Badvok

        @foxyshadis: Rules of Thumb

        But there are some misleading rules of thumb. FTFY

        FYI, most of the 'rules of thumb' rely on determining horizontal and/or vertical dpi and calculating what would be distinguishable by the human eye. There are two problems with that calculation, a) who on earth wants to see individual pixels anyway, and b) human eyes don't have linear grids of receptors that are perfectly aligned with the screen. A more realistic dpi to use would be a diagonal one and that would approximately halve the screen sizes you quote.

        1. foxyshadis

          Re: @foxyshadis: Rules of Thumb

          That's why I said "see ANY difference", not "see individual pixels." To see individual pixels, you'd have to roughly double the sizes I list... and then you can half them, as you say, and get back to the sizes I list.

          If you have any research or personal experience that says otherwise, I'm all ears, but 8K is an extraordinary resolution that requires extraordinary circumstances. Few people will see a benefit beyond HD even well within the listed limits (as I am in my setup), because it's a game of diminishing marginal utility; double disk space, power, and cost for maybe 10-20% more enjoyment only makes sense to the most hardcore... and that's just for 4K.

  5. eJ2095

    What..

    No 8k Porn... meh

    1. Doctor_Wibble

      Re: What..

      I'm not convinced that seeing smutty postcards in ultra-high resolution would be an enhancement to the viewing experience - I suspect that being able to see every single detail would be a bit off-putting.

      Not that much of an expert, I dare say there will be differing opinions on this and would hazard a guess at the existence of a 'happy medium', presumably with no shortage of volunteers to participate in establishing the specifics by extensive research (etc).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What..

        Yeah I've already heard female pornstars saying that they are letting their hair down their grow so the razor burn, etc. isn't so noticeable LOL!!!

  6. tony2heads
    Paris Hilton

    Soundtrack

    Should have been 'Paris, Texas' by Ry Cooder

    Icon..

  7. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    Personally speaking I don't give a fig about 8K.

    My house isn't big enough to make use of a screen that would justify it (unless I watch it through the window from the garden perhaps ...). The Freeview broadcast options at the moment consist of HD (restricted offering), HD upscaled (restricted offering), full SD (some), SD at minimum possible bandwidth (most). And, before someone says stream it, I'm unlikely to be able to support a full 8k res on my broadband feed which is currently bouncing off the 2Mb/s mark ...

    Until I can get a decent broadcast feed at *current* resolutions without being stripped of £70 a month - and there's no sign of that in the next 20 years - why bother?

  8. spudmasterflex

    If anyone wants to watch it, feel free to come view on our 38m2 smd 1.5mm pitch LED video wall.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    CineMassive's Response to "Ghost Towns in 8K"

    Check out CineMassive’s solution for watching Neumannfilms' "Ghost Towns in 8K" at native resolution https://youtu.be/IdzVH9Nab9I. The video is playing on a 16 4k monitor array and is being rendered and displayed by a single video wall processor.

  10. ThomsonLawrence

    This would feel great if watched at an LCD video screen like this one https://dynamo-led-displays.co.uk/video-walls/.

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