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Tech giants such as Google, Facebook and Amazon could sign deals with Boeing for high-throughput satellites in order to reach internet-less regions this year, as part of the data movers' respective bids for world domination, according to a report. Jim Simpson, vice president of business development and chief strategist for …

  1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge
    WTF?

    Did I miss....

    Did I miss a story about poverty, famine and disease having been eradicated from across Africa? I only ask because one has to assume that major problems like those would have been sorted before expending time and effort on bringing web access to those such afflicted.

    Expecting to see Facebook updates like "OMG - my malaria has gotten worse" or "Dengue fever again! FML"

    1. David Knapman

      Re: Did I miss....

      Do we have to solve one problem at a time, and in a strictly defined order that you've decided? Is education unimportant?

      And last I checked, disease hasn't been eradicated on any continent, and I don't expect it to be any time soon.

    2. The Mole

      Re: Did I miss....

      To be fair providing access (and sharing) of information on techniques and technology to improve sanitation (e.g. how to make a bio-toilet, how to use malaria nets efficiently or prevent the breading of mosquitos), farming (irrigation methods, accurate weather forecasting, prices in the local (or not so local market), and poverty reduction (solar lights, access to new markets, how to effectively reuse the materials around you) are all things that will contribute to the above. What balance between on the ground and the costs is of course an important question.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Did I miss....

        Yup, all the above are good points. Let's not forget ads though. Everyone needs to see ads. Oh, and cat vids. And pron. Even the very poor need pron.

      2. Kubla Cant

        "prevent the breading of mosquitos"

        Breaded mosquitos are the reductio ad absurdum of the fish-finger phenomenon. The crumb coating constitutes 99% of the snack. Mosquitos should be seethed in larks' vomit, with no coating.

        1. Captain DaFt

          Re: "prevent the breading of mosquitos"

          "Mosquitos should be seethed in larks' vomit,"

          Well, to be fair, if I found myself in lark's vomit, I'd be seething too!

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            and even further along the emotional register...

            (Prof. Timothy Fielding): I'm sorry, I'm sorry! Can I put this into some sort of perspective? When I caught Gerald in '68 he was completely wild.

            (Gerald, the Gorilla): Wild? I was absolutely livid!

      3. Robert Helpmann??
        Childcatcher

        Re: Did I miss....

        Mobile internet access would also open up opportunities for remote medical services which could make a very direct impact on the physical lives of the people receiving care. After health and hunger issues are addressed, they can switch from being people to being products, so win-win, right?

      4. Trigonoceps occipitalis

        Re: Did I miss....

        " ... breading of mosquitos ... "

        and deep fried, yummmm.

        Hunger and malaria solved in one easy step.

    3. TitterYeNot

      Re: Did I miss....

      I only ask because one has to assume that major problems like those would have been sorted before expending time and effort on bringing web access to those such afflicted.

      But how will our all powerful overlords respective government agencies invade their privacy keep them safe from terrorists, paedophiles and pirates if they aren't given access to emailz, facebookz, twitterz and lolcatz?

    4. Cynic_999

      Re: Did I miss....

      Poverty, famine and disease has not been fully eradicated from the UK, so would you be in favour of suspending all Internet and mobile phone access until it is? Maybe you should visit Africa and live in a rural area for a few months, and you would then have a far better idea of what would and what would not improve the quality of life in those regions. I have done so, and IMO the single thing that would have the most *long term* benefit is for the rural population to become familiar with life and events outside their own small locality. It is lack of knowledge and education that keeps isolated communities stagnant. Together with the unnecessary ignorance of most people in the "First World" about what life in the 3rd World is really like, so they get sold down the river by people who are acting with the best intentions who think they are helping the situation when in fact they are making it 100 times worse. Hands up all those people who were happy to see Ian Smith forced into handing over Rhodesia to Robert Mugabe, because it would "obviously" be better for the poor natives to have democratic self government? It may have seemed the right thing to someone who has lived all their life in the UK, but it was perfectly obvious how it would turn out to those of us who were raised and were living in the region. Africa != England

    5. Steven Roper

      Re: Did I miss....

      "I don't like this expression 'First World Problems.' It is false and it is condescending. Yes, Nigerians struggle with floods or infant mortality. But these same Nigerians also deal with mundane and seemingly luxurious hassles. Connectivity issues on your BlackBerry, cost of car repair, how to sync your iPad, what brand of noodles to buy: Third World Problems.

      All the silly stuff of life doesn't disappear just because you're black and live in a poorer country. People in the richer nations need a more robust sense of the lives being lived in the darker nations.

      Here's a First World problem: the inability to see that others are as fully complex and as keen on technology and pleasure as you are."

      -Teju Cole.

      So you see, Hans, that while you might think you're being all sensitive and politically-correct by arguing to defer all other solutions in favour of eradicating poverty and starvation, in fact you are showing your ignorance and bigotry by assuming that people in Africa are only concerned with basic survival, rather than communication and wanting to be a part of the larger world.

  2. Little Mouse
    Boffin

    Physical or Wireless?

    For even higher throughput, they could set them up with physically wired connections rather than flaky wifi. The satellites would need to be geostationary with the wires just hanging down though, otherwise we'd all have to run along behind them just to stay plugged in.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Physical or Wireless?

      I'm sure you meant to use the Joke Alert icon, but in case you didn't: just run the wires overland&undersea, they'l be shorter that way.

  3. Dan Paul

    Thats the point of internet access in Africa or other regions

    Commerce needs web access in order to flourish in those regions. The lack of that access is an impediment to those small businesses advertising, communicating, using micropayments, banking, determining prices, etc. This same web access could help dispel rumors about vaccinations and other health issues and educate the populace.

    Internet access also provides the user with the ability to find new markets. Getting peoples products directly to market while eliminating the "middleman" will go a long way towards providing an income for them, thus helping to bring them out of poverty, famine and disease.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If it is in LEO

    Then it makes a great way to cover all the empty spots where cell coverage doesn't. Not just Africa, but all those places in the US that are uncovered and probably never will be covered. Even if it just did voice that would mean never being out of service. Well, less out of service, since buildings, tunnels and depending on the frequencies used and SNR a tree canopy might still block the signal.

    1. MyffyW Silver badge

      Re: If it is in LEO

      I'm hoping/guessing/speculating it will be some constellation of LEO satellites.

      If it's geostationary satellites the 638ms latency is going to be most tiresome. Though better than nothing I suppose.

    2. Matt Piechota

      Re: If it is in LEO

      "Then it makes a great way to cover all the empty spots where cell coverage doesn't. Not just Africa, but all those places in the US that are uncovered and probably never will be covered. Even if it just did voice that would mean never being out of service. Well, less out of service, since buildings, tunnels and depending on the frequencies used and SNR a tree canopy might still block the signal."

      Congrats, you've just summed the concept and failings of the Iridium constellation! :)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: If it is in LEO

        Iridium is very old technology, with very low data rates and the power and antenna requirements mean it could never be included in a modern smartphone. I'm hoping two decades of improvements mean Iridium 2.0 will be.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: If it is in LEO

          DS: "I'm hoping two decades of improvements mean Iridium 2.0 will be."

          You're about to be disappointed.

          Iridium mark I is 5% of dial-up speeds. 2400 bps.

          Iridium mark II (IridiumNEXT) is supposed to be "up to 1.5 Mbps", but reportedly not really even that. With a small and simple low gain L-band antenna, might be only several times dial-up speeds.

          It is kinda slow for The Year of Our Lord 2015/2016.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            does IridiumNEXT still have bling?

            I get a kick out of the Jove's Maglight effect of Iridium flares, the way a mote in the sky zaps me at exactly the scheduled time (in my dreams meteor showers also have such reliable payoffs)

            http://www.heavens-above.com/iridiumhelp.aspx

  5. Kubla Cant

    Tim Worstall wrote a few weeks ago about how mobile phones improve the lives of poor fishermen. The mobile phone has been a significant enabling technology in the developing world, and it's an example of how intermediate technologies such as land-line are skipped. The fact that we had to live through the era of dial-up modems and acoustic couplers doesn't mean that it's not more realistic to go straight to wireless.

    1. JeffyPoooh
      Pint

      "...poor fishermen. ...technologies such as land-line are skipped..."

      The PSTN twisted pair wires kept snapping when the boats pulled away from the dock each morning.

  6. Neal Stephenson
    Thumb Up

    Foundation

    It is articles like this and the general acceleration of technology that make me feel that we are currently a full stop on the first line of an Arthur C Clarke novel.

    1. Steven Roper

      Re: Foundation

      Let's hope the story does turn out to be an Arthur C. Clarke novel and not a George Orwell one.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sleeping satellites

    Land based infrastructures are controlled by governments who can control content. But space based infrastructure will be controlled by "others". So, if in the future a country decides(!) to ban porn, they will not be able to.

  8. OzBob

    Did the NSA put it's own interception s/w in there?

    I only ask 'cos the tin-foil is strong in this BBS.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      Re: Did the NSA put it's own interception s/w in there?

      Yup, Alcan Rules here

      Mines the one with the Al Foil roll in my pocket

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