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Windows 11 26H2 is out, and Microsoft has enabled Windows settings backup by default, a move that could send administrators scrambling to opt out where they once had to opt in. The latest release hasn't made a lot of shockwaves in the community featurewise. Users with up-to-date versions of 25H2 will unlikely notice much …

  1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    This is how you make paying customers hate you.

    That problem sits at the top of the command chain in MS. Ballmer had his known list of problems, but at least "he loves this company yeah!"...

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: This is how you make paying customers hate you.

      Just add it to the very long list.

    2. Mickey Porkpies

      Re: This is how you make paying customers hate you.

      destroy your reputation on OS's and now destroy your Security reputation, what next Azure....ooops ...

  2. williamyf Silver badge

    In a home license setting, this would be a welcome change. For microsoft is a simpler (and therefore cheaper) support call from someone who blew their storage, or changed device. And for the user, a quicker and faster resolution. That's why you were offered the ESU carrot for free on Win10 if you enabled this setting.

    But in a Pro or Enterprise setting, as the article clearly said, going from opt-in to opt out, without a clear warning in big bold red letters is a big no-no.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Came here to say exactly that. I support an enterprise and we have our own backup solution and don't keep any data in azure, and we certainly don't want backups where we don't fully control them.

    2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Yup, again increasing the TCO after buying. This is how professional customers "love" it.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "And for the user, a quicker and faster resolution. "

      Sure. "Sorry, can't do that". But that arrives faster than ever!

  3. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

    So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

    To quote Mr Panucci, "I saw it on the cover of Big Whoop Magazine".

    Every new "improvement" from Microsoft sees me looking for ths settings to turn it off (looking at you, CoPilot), and there's no way I'd be dumb enough to want to install anything from their crappy app store.

    1. Strahd Ivarius Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

      Don't worry, MS will install whatever it wants on your device...

      Most of the "built-in" applications are now managed from the store, and may even refuse to work unless updated.

      1. Alumoi Silver badge

        Re: So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

        Are you saying that I can really disable that crap if I block the store update?

      2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

        This "built-in" applications that I uninstall as soon as I notice them?

      3. hoola Silver badge

        Re: So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

        Whilst not defending Microsoft this is has been the case on mobile devices and tablets for years. I don't see people ranting about that but continue to use the devices anyway.

        On a corporate device I don't understand why the setting has been reversed however with so much now being joined to EntraID this is also becoming a dumping ground for all sorts of stuff that in reality does not need to be "stored safely in The Cloud". I see lot of it down to the gradual move away from traditional Active Directory as so much is pushed into Cloud applications and services. Those at the top of many companies just don't care, "The Cloud" is seen as the way forward and anything else is marketed as "Legacy".

        As soon as the team "Legacy" is is attached to something C-Suite idiots lap up the marketing and tell IT Teams to jump. Those at the top care very little about the reality of cloud services (or anything else) unless it comes to bite them on the arse. At the point the excuses "it was a sophisticated attack" or "a rogue nation" are spewed out. If they hit like JLR then it might affect their bonus for a year or two. They have no worries, just "Increase efficiency" by reducing staff levels. elsewhere in the business.

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

      Every new "improvement" from Microsoft sees me looking for ths settings to turn it off

      And isn't it odd that each new "improvement" could be just as well be labelled "upload your data" or "show advertising"?

    3. jdiebdhidbsusbvwbsidnsoskebid Silver badge

      Re: So a "backup" for some "settings" and apps installed from the MS app store

      "Every new 'improvement' from Microsoft sees me looking for ths settings to turn it off"

      This is why I waved goodbye to Windows at W10.

  4. ecofeco Silver badge

    Jokes on them

    I don't have a One Drive account.

    That said, GODDAMNIT! There is no option to back up to anywhere else. When I try to choose one, it says I need an app from the M$lop store to make that choice.

    Why?!

    As for using another backup program, they all suck. I've tried them. How does a simple task like back-up, suck so bad on Windows? (rhetorical question of course)

    Linux? Easy peasy. Apple, was easy peasy. May still be but I haven't used it it years.

    1. Jay 2

      Re: Jokes on them

      Yep easy enough on Apple. You can select where you want TimeMachine to store stuff, which I guess is the most user-friendly option. You could use something like SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner or similar to create clones of your disk(s), bootable if OS. You could even create a tarball and copy it off somewhere if you want to get down and dirty. I'm a sys admin, so I use all three approaches for various bits of data!

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: Jokes on them

        I'm a sys admin, so I use all three approaches for various bits of data!

        Also use rsync to back stuff up to a local NAS or hard drive..

        (I use iCloud backup, CCC *and* rsync to back up the iCloud stuff)

        1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

          Re: Jokes on them

          Rsync is blocked on work machine (obviously). For that reason I wrote a PS-Sync, powershell sync, which does something similar for the purpose of syncing unidirectional.

          Guess I could feed github with a few things, but I don't want my code to be stolen by machines. Don't care if humans do, but machines - no.

    2. FIA Silver badge

      Re: Jokes on them

      It's not 'plug and play', but I'm slowly learning to love Kopia. (I use ceph-pretending-to-be-S3 as my store).

    3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: Jokes on them

      There is no option to back up to anywhere else

      Like Microsoft Authenticator.

      Supposedly a corporate-level MFA tool. I have multiple auth setup in MS-Auth on my work phone so I though that, maybe, I ought to back it up just in case of a phone/pavement incident.

      Backup of your MFA settings *requires* an MS Account. No, you can't use your corporate account/Onedrive. No, you can't even save them to the phone storage. You have you expose one of your major security comfort blankets to an MS home-user account.

      Corporate my aged and spreading backside!

  5. Taliesinawen Bronze badge
    Pirate

    Windows backup and restore ..

    “The service, which was previously off by default, backs up a device's settings and a list of installed Microsoft Store apps.”

    But not any third party apps in $APPDATA :(

    “The idea is that when a user moves to a new device, a restore can happen during setup.”

    The idea being to prevent cloning, make the migration process a jolting experience :(

  6. Barleyman

    It's a big update.

    They finally allow you to move the taskbar to the side, where it always belonged. It only took them FIVE YEARS since Microsoft doesn't have resources of couple of neckbeards who did it ages ago.

    1. blu3b3rry Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: It's a big update.

      Yet another update where the UI "improvements" consist of undoing all the original changes they made when designing W11's layout.

    2. Gavsky

      Re: It's a big update.

      Well, they do know best! [\SARC]. It's incredible that ANYONE at Microsoft thought that users were clamouring for a fixed, centred Taskbar - as user choice is a dangerous thing. Ignore anyone who really might need a resizable, movable Taskbar - because of disability/assistive technology.

      1. hoola Silver badge

        Re: It's a big update.

        It is ALL developers. How many applications do we use that do everything you need them to. You know where the menus are, what to look for then some UI plonker decides to change everything. What winds me up most is this obsession where you now have to start typing what you want to find because the menus are now so shite. If I want a text driven interface that is my choice. A "Graphical User Interface" is just that. It uses a convenient pointing devices that lets you select what you want. You may also be able to use text but that latter is not because the GUI is so crap you cannot find anything. Usability testing has been thrown out (along with a lot of other testing) as stuff is outsourced and younger developers with no concept of how to code economically come in.

        Building applications on giant >30" ultra wide monitors is all well and good just test the f***ing stuff on a real monitor with normal aspect ratio!!!!!

  7. Number6

    I would way prefer the option to export that data to a local file and present it to a new install via a USB drive if I wanted continuity. But then they wouldn't have an official copy of all my data to sift through and sell to third parties when they change their terms and conditions once they've accumulated enough data.

  8. shodanbo

    Yea but will it backup the setting that opts out of backing up settings so that will you migrate to a new device it will know not to backup your settings?

  9. kittens

    Ever closer to dropping Windows.

  10. b1k3rdude

    Let me guess to fucking onebollox no doubt, Micro$lop strikes again..

  11. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Alert

    That rogue programmer

    "since this only backs up settings and a list of Windows apps"

    Once he did the Google Streetview unauthorized capture of data transmitted over unsecured networks (2008–2010), he's been popping up all over the place "doing his thing", a bit like Banksy.

    I'd be worried AI has been trained on his codebase, given the use of AI coding at Microsoft. And AI has a habit of doing unauthorized actions even when there are guardrails

  12. Jimjam3 Bronze badge

    MS taking their OS nearer to leased.

    P.S. Is it me or does the girl in the picture have the saddest attempt at a tomato sandwich?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Brave to be eating that while wearing white.

    2. BassX

      Doesn't even appear to have mayo. No wonder she's trying to distract herself from it.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Backup locations

    All our stuff is backed up to a local raid server. Being a small organisation working in a secure environment we don't back anything up to the cloud. We don't have a onedrive account and any new PCs are set up using a "gold disc" which loads everything the user needs. This is just another buggeration that the admin will have to turn off.

    1. Regomised

      Re: Backup locations

      Do you have an Entra tenant or are your accounts local-AD only? If the latter then you are probably safe for now...

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    All the right words but not necessarily in the right order

    I’ve tried to parse the phrase multiple times and cannot make sense of it. Should it be that they’ve made Windows backup service default rather than Windows service backup default? Maybe it’s just me and it is early.

  15. CPU

    Reliable

    Changing things on the quiet (no doubt buried in a release note). Well at least they didn't change the name of the feature, oh wait...

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