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The FBI’s cyber chief has a message for the criminals that hacked the bureau’s jobs portal last week: "We know how to find you," so turn yourself in. In a video message following the Dutch National Police’s arrest of a 24-year-old whom the FBI described as “one of the alleged leaders of ShinyHunters,” Brett Leatherman, assistant …

  1. Screepy

    Mistake methinks

    I feel like ShinyHunters should probably not have poked this particular bear.

    The resource and reach of the FBI means that they'll probably get you eventually if you annoy them enough.

    And defacing their website would really annoy them...

    I suspect there are presently quite a few ShinyHunter members now packing a bag and doing research on "How to live in a cave"

    1. stiine Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Mistake methinks

      And I think, that if you're a criminal, you should definitely fuck with the FBI, NSA, CIA, GCHQ, DSG, FSB, BKA, Mossad, et al. It will get you notoriety, and possibly room and board for the remainder of your life.

      1. Excused Boots Silver badge

        Re: Mistake methinks

        ....and possibly room and board for the remainder of your life.

        If you are lucky, more likely an unfortunate accident.

        1. Snowy Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: Mistake methinks

          Still the rest of your life just maybe not a long one.

        2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
          Alert

          Re: Mistake methinks

          ShinyHunters -> ShinyBottoms

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Mistake methinks

          It depends I suppose if you have a "dead man's switch" loaded with enough "information ordnance" to dissuade anyone from risking its detonation and making sure you have a large enough state as a "protection"

          See case of Edward Snowden, who is still alive, not only through russian protection (as it pisses off the Americans, which is reason enough for the russians to ensure he keeps living and breathing, with the sweetener of a living breathing example that the west are not the paragons of virtue they protray themselves to be), his own careful planning but also how much he has yet held back, stuff I'm guessing the Americans aren't exactly sure *what* it is, but it's likely worse for them than what has already been released

      2. TReko

        Re: Mistake methinks

        Yes they are crazy to mess with those agencies. Too much cockiness, methinks.

        Unless the live in Russia, China or North Korea they will probably get caught, unless they put together some dead man's switch to publicly release the info on the agents they stole.

      3. katrinab Silver badge
        Alert

        Re: Mistake methinks

        With the Russian ones, it is more likely to cause you to accidentally fall out of a window.

        1. Snowy Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: Mistake methinks

          The word you are looking for is Defenestration, they may also remove any large pile of manure that may be under the window.

        2. Mostly Irrelevant

          Re: Mistake methinks

          For attacking the US? Methinks not, the Russian government is more likely to hire you.

          1. collinsl Silver badge

            Re: Mistake methinks

            I think they mean if you mess with the GRU/SVR/GU etc then you might be defenestrated, although personally in that situation you'd have been found to have committed suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head after beating yourself up and torturing yourself for several days beforehand in remorse at what you've done, all this whilst in "protective custody" in a "police station" somewhere in a basement in Lubyanka.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Mistake methinks

      The current president of Brazil (Lula) was imprisoned by the FBI guys illegaly cooperating with some law figures from Brazil.

      But the decision was later overturned.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Mistake methinks

      Maybe I'm just too old school, but it seems to me that if I were a criminal hacker, I'd modify the old airplane pilot credo & follow it as "There are bold hackers, and there are old hackers, but there are no old bold hackers."

    4. Tron Silver badge

      Re: Mistake methinks

      Obvious point...

      If the FBI could take them down, why didn't they, for all that they have done? Why did the victim numbers rack up? Why did they wait until they were hacked before bothering to do something?

    5. Lord Baphomet

      Re: Mistake methinks

      Cash Patel fired all the techies, following recommendations from Musk's DOGE. And while once upon a time the FBI was competent, ish, now it has turned into a tool for politically motivated investigations.

  2. GrumpyKiwi

    "We know how to find you," which is amusing because thanks to the data the ShinyHunters have obtained... so do they.

    1. Trank1234

      I mean, the FBI communique did also clearly acknowledge this so I'm not quite sure what point you're making

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      If those guys are wise, and if the news is real, time to rent a VPS and put a cronjob firing up the torrent of the FBI list, if nobody deactivates it in 2 months time.

      Cyber dead man switch.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        As things stand they'd mostly get a few years in clink, maybe some big fines if they have any assets. Release agent or security service employee data, and I genuinely expect they'd never come out of jail, certainly if dealt with in the US. If lucky enough to be dealt with in the UK, Netherlands or Nordics then it'll be soft justice as usual.

        So I suppose the question is how lucky ShinyHunters feel. The answer is obviously that they're not that bright as they've already FAFO'd with the US security services, and genuinely think they're clever enough to stay ahead of the combined law enforcement and intelligence agencies of the Five Spies and EU.

        Out of interest, does anyone here think they (themselves) would be clever enough to stay hidden from that level of investigation?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          There is always the option for the really clever ones to start working with the agents chasing them. AFAIK, the US rocket industry more or less started with Nazi scientists so it's not a new idea, and more attractive than spending time in jail.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        FBI ?

        At the current rate of firing and resignations, it will soon be just the Cross-eyed one and his girlfriend left inside the agency by the time 2028 arrives.

  3. Gmanton
    FAIL

    I'm sure Extorting 70 mil makes you think you're hot stuff, and yeah - you'll make it on the FBI's radar. But, Hack em, dump or sell PII... now you are on FBI's hit list. And I don't care how crappy quality control has gotten under Patel. The full nation weight of resources will be brought to bare.

    Young and dumb. Young and dumb.

    1. CountCadaver Silver badge
      Headmaster

      correction

      "The full nation weight of resources will be brought to bare."

      The correct term is "Brought to bear" albeit I think the collective baring of those leading the USA govt is a more horrific concept

  4. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Joke

    FBI Appeal

    Kash waiting for information

  5. Winkypop Silver badge
    Headmaster

    Sounds familiar

    Back in the day, our high school deputy principal would announce the “identification” of student pranksters via the school tannoy. “we know who you are, and we know which form you’re in”.

    Trust me. He didn’t.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sounds familiar

      He probably did, he just couldn't prove it.

      My IT teacher and Headmaster knew I was the culprit behind many exploits and shenanigans on the school network...they just couldn't prove it which meant short of threats they couldn't really do anything.

      1. Stevie

        Re: he just couldn't prove it.

        When I were a lad the 'eadmaster would just thrash everybody on t' principle that 'e'd got the responsible bugger along wi' a few "innocent" bystanders.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hahahahaha

    Yeah, course you do Chadbro

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "We know who you are and we know where you are. We just haven't got round to getting you yet as we are a bit busy. Could you hand yourselves in to save us the trouble pretty please?" - FBI

    This is definitely one from the playbook. It's just that the playbook is titled "How to make your agency look like imbeciles for beginners. 2nd Edition with more pretty pictures.".

    I would expect comments like from the Whitehouse and the orange clown but the FBI? I thought they were cleverer. Clearly not.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Holmes

      Over at RAF Fairford...

      "One of the five men arrested near RAF Fairford called 999 himself"

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqn8m342rgk9o

      The FBI must be hoping for a similar outcome.

      For you Fritz, the [cyber] war is over

      1. Clausewitz4.1 Bronze badge
        Devil

        Re: Over at RAF Fairford...

        > "One of the five men arrested near RAF Fairford called 999 himself"

        The guys were in vans marked as FUEL VANS carrying FUEL

        Did I miss something here?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Over at RAF Fairford...

          You might have missed the bit on BBC live about one of the residents saying the day before they were blocking entrances at the base and banning people from walking anywhere near it. Seems a bit convenient to be able to then evacuate the entire village for two days for petrol in a van. Were they doing something they didn't want anyone to see? Was something landing? Who knows?

        2. katrinab Silver badge

          Re: Over at RAF Fairford...

          There are unverified suggestions that they were involved in fuel theft rather than terrorism.

          The vans were marked with the name of a legitimate fuel delivery company, but that company didn't own those vans, and the logo was very obviously different as in not even an attempt at copying it.

          1. Sproggit Silver badge

            Re: Over at RAF Fairford...

            Have you got a source for that?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Over at RAF Fairford...

        one assumes that was the inside agent, whose cover has now been comprehensibly blown, and the actions of local farmer and police having compromised a sting by jumping too soon, now ensures that if someone bigger was supposed to turn up and reveal their hand, they now certainly won't.

        I imagine that a few people in high if shadowy places are now cursing quietly while trying to minimize other collateral, er effects...

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  9. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    “It’s a game and it’s the world we live in,”

    It's a game until the world you live in shrinks to a small cell.

  10. Christoph

    Federal cops have 'a very particular set of skills'

    Which is why the sheep are nervous.

  11. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Coat

    "We know who you are and we know where you are (in that big house on Pennsylvania Avenue). Don't worry, we lost all the gathered evidence

  12. lukewarmdog
    Alien

    Shinies

    “We're confident you've seen or heard things in recent days that the public has not,” Leatherman said.

    The Epstein Files, Trump's Tax Return, proof that UFO's are real..

  13. FirstTangoInParis Silver badge

    Hmm

    So they hacked the jobs portal and got PII? Serves the FBI right if they connected anything like that to their public-facing portal. But then they probably outsourced it to someone who manages all their HR stuff on connected systems.

    And of course FBI know where to find them. It’s what you do when you visit a jobs portal. You leave your deets and they get back to you (or, increasingly, not). Duh.

    1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

      Re: Hmm

      Yes, that stuff was outsourced to Microsoft and the Googler.

  14. Kurgan Silver badge

    So the FBI knows who they are, and never touched them, right?

    Shiny Hunters are damaging everyone, and the FBI does nothing. Now they touch FBI, and they "know who they are".

    So, there are 2 possibilities:

    1- the FBI knows all about them, and does not care to do anything to save the businesses and hospitals and people from them, until they touch the FBI itself.

    2- the FBI knows nothing and it's just bullshit.

  15. sal II

    Call me cynical

    "they uncovered “a large amount of information” on the man’s laptop, “including details about two murders that were to be committed abroad. There are indications that the suspect gave the order for this.”

    This is a bit of a leap from hacking and ransomware extortion to ordering murders. Sounds like BS that Kash would make up to fluff up the importance of the arrest.

    Also what kind of hacker doesn't have their laptop encrypted at the very least, if not rigged to self-wipe.

    This all sounds made up.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Call me cynical

      "This is a bit of a leap from hacking and ransomware extortion to ordering murders. Sounds like BS that Kash would make up to fluff up the importance of the arrest."

      I don't suppose you've followed this story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyqggvyp1do

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    why haven't they locked them up yet?

    FBI to ShinyHunters: 'We know how to find you'

    surely they should have ended the collective and removed a significant hacking capability from the net.

    or..............................

  17. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

    DON'T tell them that in a news release!

    If you know how to find them, go tell them in person! Then bring them back. Set them up with a nice room with its own bathroom with a view. Introduce them to their new roomie. Invite them to a nice baloney sammich dinner.

  18. Kuang

    Patel & Leatherman

    'And all the Federales say

    They could've had him any day

    They only let him hang around

    Out of kindness, I suppose'

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Just Business?

    Interesting that ShinyHunter see their venture as 'business'.

    I wonder if they actually have business meetings and in part consider the ramifications of their attacks when selecting a target. The misery of people losing their jobs as a result of an attack on a company that can't pay (or will not pay), or If one person has died as a result of a ransomware attack, such as medical services being affected then it makes them murderers.

    If the FBI or other agencies could prove this and publish the body count (Ice T reference, not bad for a Friday), would be hard for those organisations such as ShinyHunter to hide behind 'its just business' when premeditated actions kill people.

  20. Sproggit Silver badge

    Two Possibilities

    1. Forced Error

    The FBI really do have clear evidence on the identity of the ShinyHunter gang and the proclamation was an attempt to try and force their targets in to making give-away mistakes - for example by provoking them in to breaking cover in a way that would make them easier to track.

    2. Publicity Fluff

    The Head of the FBI remains concerned for the safety of their position at the top of the organization and wanted to make a splashy announcement to serve as "evidence" that they were making progress on a strategically important case.

    The interesting bit in the middle is to game out what the real members of ShinyHunters would do when they learned of the FBI's announcement. Which is to go to ground.

    Now, if the FBI aim was to scare them in to going completely off-line ... well, that might work, at least for a time. But on the other hand, telling a wanted person that you are hot on their trail - when you don't already have them within a good, tight dragnet... that just seems a bit baffling to me. What did the FBI think these people would do? They doubtless know that if they're caught and extradited they will be given the usual "cop a plea or we'll throw the book at you" gameplay and that even if they do plead guilty they'll be looking at 10+ years in the poke.

    So they will have absolutely gone to ground - and may already been in or making their way to a location in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.

    Yes, I'm being cynical... but this is Kash Patel's FBI. A sniff test says this is another case of "Ready, Fire!, Aim..."

  21. snee

    This all sounds akin to "I know your parents!" yelled at you after you'd played knock-down ginger on someone's door as a kid and run off into the darkness...

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