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The US Space Force has deployed "space control weapons" into orbit, although it stopped short of explaining what they are and how it got there. US Air Force Secretary Troy Meink reportedly spoke at the Air and Space Forces Association conference and said the US had deployed weaponry around Earth. There is no word on the nature …

  1. SVD_NL Silver badge

    Welcome to the future...

    The Ukraine 3-day Special Military Operation™ has clearly shown the importance of satellites (Starlink in particular) in modern warfare. You simply need communication devices, or ways of blocking/destroying your opponent's communication devices in space if you want to have an advantage on your opponent.

    I like other countries pitching in, telling off the US. But I don't believe for a second that they do this for moral reasons. They simply don't want to fall behind the US, or they don't want to match the US defense spending.

    I don't like that the US is doing this, but I didn't expect anything else either.

  2. Huw L-D
    Alien

    Tell me that alien life exists...

    ...without telling me that alien life exists.

    1. alain williams Silver badge

      Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

      Maybe this is one answer to the Fermi Paradox, all species are warlike (evolution result: if they were not they would not try to outcompete others) and so when they develop space capability they fight up there and cannot leave their planet due to the Kessler Syndrome.

      They then kill themselves due to pollution leading to climate change disaster.

      1. Annihilator Silver badge

        Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

        For me the Fermi paradox is pretty simple - life has existed for 4 billion years. Human life, 300,000 years. Externally detectable life, 100 years (radio transmissions). An absolute fraction. And from what I can surmise, life evolved pretty much as soon as it could - assume we're a standard solar system, and required a generation 3 star to create the conditions and materials for life.

        Other consideration to take - how much of our EM signals leak into space these days? We've moved from very loud EM transmissions, using analogue tech, to much lower power digital. It's not clear to me how far it would need to travel before it drops below a usable signal to noise ratio, but I'd wager that we're only really loud and noticeable for that fixed 100 year period. Not to mention we'd need to be looking at and aligned with that specific system, it seems incredibly unlikely we'd ever accidentally hear/see an alien civilisation.

        1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

          Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

          We are a class 0.7 civilization. It is MUCH tougher for a 1.5 to keep quiet, let alone a 1.95.

          Nevertheless, we can only look at an EXTREMELY small sample. If I want evidence of intelligent alien, I'm going to be looking at galaxies for a 2.95...

        2. lglethal Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

          To paraphrase (steal from) the late great Terry Pratchett:

          "Scientists have calculated that the chances of finding Alien life are millions to one.

          But as everyone knows million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten..."

      2. David Hicklin Silver badge

        Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

        > all species are warlike (evolution result: if they were not they would not try to outcompete others)

        I would have though that most species reach our stage but go no further either:

        A - Destroy themselves through a nuclear war aka WW3 (we still have that option)

        or

        B - Destroy the environment of the planet they live on leading to extinction (which we are having a dammed good try at doing)

        1. druck Silver badge

          Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

          or

          C - AI leading to both of the above.

    2. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

      It does but long ago they all moved into a parallel universe pulling up the drawbridge behind them.

      They weren't too keen on the way things were turning out in the "backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western spiral arm of the Galaxy" so packed up and toddled off to a panuniversal version of Chiantishire (space Tuscany.)

    3. HereIAmJH Silver badge

      Re: Tell me that alien life exists...

      If alien life exists, we don't want to meet it. The fact that they haven't 'Kesslered' us to quarantine the disease means they either don't exist, or they are so advanced they can destroy us on a whim. Maybe Elon is an alien and that is why he wants so many Starlink satellites. He's building an orbital prison.

  3. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    The world should just cut the USA off

    It's a hideous regime intent on global domination.

    1. herman Silver badge

      Re: The world should just cut the USA off

      Sure, but the alternatives are rather worse

      1. LogicGate Silver badge

        Re: The world should just cut the USA off

        This used to be the case, but today the US seems to undergo a concentrated effort aiming to achieve the low levels of their new role-models; Russia and Nort Korea.

        1. Magani
          Unhappy

          Re: The world should just cut the USA off

          Grading the USA -

          "Sets a low standard which it fails to achieve."

  4. Stevie

    Bah!

    The EM Pulse weapon raises its imaginary head again, I see.

    Were this a real technology, wouldn't we have seen it deployed in more earthly theaters of active war by now?

    I can think of one test-bed war in which such a thing would have proved invaluable.

    1. herman Silver badge

      Re: Bah!

      RF pulse weapons are actually used against drone swarms for example. It overloads and fry the receiver front ends for GPS and control, leaving the toys uncontrollable.

      1. Paul Kinsler

        Re: leaving the toys uncontrollable.

        Of course if used against many satellites, you end up with many uncontrollable "toys" -- and whilst not a "create instant ballistic debris" scenario -- it greatly increases the chance of a subsequent accidental collision, and eventual debris clouds anyway ...

        1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

          Re: leaving the toys uncontrollable.

          Potential. At this stage a few cleanup missions could take care of geosync without too much trouble. LEO cleans itself, although it still might be worthwhile to do missions.

      2. Stevie

        Re: Bah!

        RF pulse devices are nowhere near the mythical EMP generator and you know it.

  5. herman Silver badge

    The CCCP used to put 20 mm guns on their space stations. I used to wonder about the risk of firing a gun and then shooting yourself in the back, but that would only be able to happen in a very narrow angle I think.

    1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

      If you're thinking about bullets orbiting the Earth and hitting you on the return, orbital mechanics says this can't happen, at least not in the short term. If you fire in the direction of, or retrograde to your orbit, the bullet will have a different velocity (your velocity plus or minus that imparted by the propellent charge), so will find an orbit of different altitude. Often things like this will have an elliptical orbit, with variable altitude, so may cross your orbit over time, but the chances of being hit are minuscule.

      Firing 'up' will result in evem more eccentric orbits, unless you increase it's vertical component to escape velocity. There is a speed where firing down will result in falling out of orbit, but unless it's vertical component is significant, it will result in another elliptical orbit.

      I don't have the maths to work out what would happen if firing at an angle from your orbital path, but I expect that again, the chances of the resultant inclined orbit intersecting your orbit (and hitting you) is minimal.

      1. midgepad Bronze badge

        New orbit intersects old

        If you divide a satellite, giving the parts* equal pushes in opposite directions, each adopts a different orbit.

        But those orbits intersect.

        There's enough random purterbations that a nut dropped from the ISS probably won't hit it on most subsequent orbits.

        To arrange a non-intersecting orbit needs a second acceleration by one of them, commonly at apogee or perigee and tending to circularise that orbit. Burn at apogee to raise/lower perigee and vice versa.

        * e.g. satellite; 20mm shell

        1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

          Re: New orbit intersects old

          The orbit's may intersect, that is quite true. But the period of each orbit will have changed, so the objects are unlikely to be at the point where the orbits cross at the same time. Hence, no danger, at least not in the short term.

          This is a gut feel based on some limited understanding of orbital mechanics, so I am prepared to be proved wrong, but there are just so many factors that have to be exactly right for the objects to come together and collide.

    2. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
      Facepalm

      "The CCCP used to put 20 mm guns on their space stations."

      Fair dinkum ? WTF for ? Even loonier than the current crop. I always thought you would have to be both utterly intoxicated and profoundly dyslexic to spell USSR as CCCP but what were they thinking ? Solyut and Skylab firing off Napoleonic broadsides at each other à la Horatio Hornblower ? Black powder and cannon balls might be just as effective. I expect the loonies contemplating this nonsense will soon be spelling USA as США† without the benefit of vodka.

      † Completely Witless America? Country without allies? These nutjobs wouldn't recognise cyrillic if it were chewing on their balls.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "The CCCP used to put 20 mm guns on their space stations."

        Complaining about 'spelling' USSR as CCCP while claiming people wouldn't recognize Cyrillic? Was your self-awareness turned down to zero recently?

        1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

          Re: "The CCCP used to put 20 mm guns on their space stations."

          He failed to recognize the four-character transition to Cyrillic.

      2. Mike VandeVelde Bronze badge
        Boffin

        Re: "The CCCP used to put 20 mm guns on their space stations."

        Soviet means council. The Union of Socialist Council Republics. Complaining about the "Soviet Threat" was like complaining about the "Parliament Threat" or the "Senate Threat".

    3. Julz

      As

      They say the "Salyut-3 had carried a self-defense gun" That's OK then :)

      https://www.russianspaceweb.com/almaz_ops2.html

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Mutually Assured Kessler Syndrome

    Sounds about right.

    "If I can't own it, and put tariffs on it, then nobody can have it".

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Mutually Assured Kessler Syndrome

      On the other hand, if we convince wotsisnsme that a bigly goldie-coloured elevator reaching into orbit (and beyond) would be even more glorious than the silly old Arc de Triomphe, even if la tour Eiffel was plonked on top*, maybe we'd get something useful out of these fetshes. Just tell J.D. that only a Real Man could yomp a rifle up it into LEO and watch him go.

      * balanced on one leg, like we used to try to get our gyroscopes balanced as nippers.

      1. Brave Coward Silver badge

        Re: 'a bigly goldie-coloured elevator reaching into orbit'

        Sure, but it would have to be steam-powered.

  7. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    "A ballistic weapon that could generate a cloud of space junk is therefore less than ideal."

    It's not great if you want to win a war from space, but perhaps ideal if you don't want to lose that war; the ultimate "we're going to put an end to this space war nonsense right now" device. And cheap too; just a small explosive charge to put enough shrapnel into orbit to trigger a cascade of collisions and damage.

    I'm not convinced triggering the Kessler effect would be such a bad thing.

  8. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
    Alien

    Space.....

    The 51st State.

    These are the voyages of the starship Buttcrack Its three term mission: to explore strange new oilfields, to seek out new life and new civilizations to invade, to bigly tariff them like no man has ever bigly tariffed before.

  9. Mike VandeVelde Bronze badge
    Alert

    Kessler Syndrome?

    Why would weapons in space be aimed at other things also in space? That would be ideal from my point of view. I'd be much more worried about weapons in space being aimed at us tiny little specks on the surface. What's the defence against actual frikkin space lasers? Is that what tin foil hats are for? Or just rods of metal? Nice hypersonic missile you've got there - what's the terminal velocity of a tungsten telephone pole simply dropped from orbit, and what sort of dome could possibly stop it? Golden dome I don't think so, maybe diamond dome or platinum dome?

  10. Claptrap314 Silver badge

    Rod not from God.

    I had this explained to me here some months ago. There are actually a number of problems with the concept in practice.

    #1) It takes as much energy to bring the rod down as it took to put it up. Except that you have to put up the fuel to bring it down as well. See Rocket Equation. The cost-to-damage for such a system compares very poorly to a classic ICBM.

    #2) Bringing a rod down takes time. Of course, less time with more fuel, but... It turns out that under most scenarios, a RfG is no faster to target than an ICBM.

    #3) A RfG in orbit is a VERY obvious target, making it a first-strike-only weapon.

    OTOH, a MUCH more serious threat along these lines would be some company mining an asteroid, and bringing the whole thing home. If everything goes right, it gets parked in orbit. If the control system gets p0wned, it gets parked on a continent someone doesn't like very much...

  11. Claptrap314 Silver badge

    What? Meh. Why? That matters.

    We've had various articles here for more than a decade about the slow, but inexorable militarization of space. I've often argued that commercialization requires militarization, but I don't believe that this is about that.

    Professor Bowen seems a quite coy about the "why", which is his right, but even a cursory glance at the geopolitical situation gives us a good hint.

    First, recall that to date, the US, China, Great Britain, Japan, India, France, and Russia have demonstrated kinetic surface-based ASAT capabilities. Only a fool would think that Israel or South Korea lacks the capability, or, indeed, that anyone in the G20 (or so) could not deploy such a system in a few months at most.

    Second, we've had clear indications that China and Russia have deployed offensive ASAT in space, as the professor indicated.

    This announcement by the US is, almost by definition, a political move. Most importantly, it surprises exactly NO ONE that's been paying any attention, and that especially includes the Chinese regime.

    I believe it has been reported here, but in recent years, China has conducted/is conducting a campaign of exhaustion against Taiwan, especially its air force. I have argued that China first target in a Taiwan invasion is likely to be US satellites. The US policy has been generally to attempt to limit Chinese adventurism, especially under Republican presidents. I believe that this announcement is intended to cause China to tap the brakes. The fact that they immediately responded the way that the did feels like confirmation.

  12. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck Silver badge

    Further proof that American treaties and agreements aren't worth a piece of toilet paper with Drumpf's incontinent shit on them...

  13. andy gibson

    If you want a laugh

    Check out the speculation graphics on the BBC News report on it last night!

  14. David Hicklin Silver badge

    There is no word on the nature of the weaponry

    "There is no word on the nature of the weaponry, nor on how and when it was launched"

    Just ask the Russians, I am sure they will know!

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    keeping one step ahead

    Every superpower has to keep one step ahead , in case W3 erupts. I'm fairly sure the others have something up their sleeves but don't want to let on. The Russians seems to have a good background with chemical/nerve weapons and the chinese seem to good on the biological (accidental or not).

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Has the US had its “are we the baddies” moment yet?

    The rest of the world seems to understand.

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