Gates warns society faces an AI-pocalypse unless we get more socialist

Bill Gates thinks that experts underestimate the potential havoc AI will wreak on society and says preparations to ease the transition are inadequate. The Microsoft founder and former CEO is usually a cheerful proponent of AI tech, talking up its potential to transform healthcare, education, and business productivity. Yet in …

[Anonymous Coward]

Don’t worry - humans are great at coming up with work for people to do.

And if AIs replace people…. They will replace all people…. Or join a union and strike for equal pay and holidays.

[Anonymous Coward]

“Yet in a missive posted to his personal website, the billionaire philanthropist says the AI era is likely to be one of the most turbulent times in human history, and how we allow it to play out will determine whether the world becomes a fairer place or if the divide between rich and poor becomes greater than ever.”

We already know this outcome, despite decades of Science Fiction doom-predicting AI/Robotics across the Dune, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Fallout, Silo, Terminator, Foundation and many other universes.

See Weyland-Yutani in the Alien/Alien Earth franchise … that’s where we are heading. The rich always get richer. I would say it’s as inevitable as death and taxes …. however the rich dodge at least 1 of these.

[Anonymous Coward]

What you're seeing is the Plutonomy strategy executed, developed by Citigroup. AI has merely accelerated its deployment.

[Fruit and Nutcase]

"... could stunt the mental development of children, and crowd out human relationships."

We've reached that already, without any influence from AI

[Anonymous Coward]

>"... could stunt the mental development of children, and crowd out human relationships."

Said friend of Epstein

[Fruit and Nutcase]

Meta's $18bn settlement a landmark victory for US states

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd68q3wynnqo

Unfortunately, the $18bn will be paid over 10 years - given the evidence goes right to the top, there shouldn't have been any dilution of the fine - should have been immediate payment, with punitive late interest payment

[Zack Mollusc]

Blue collar training data?

Where will the AI companies find data to train the machines who will replace blue collar workers? The instructions passed down from the white collar level are often incomplete, contradictory and erroneous and the actual actions performed by the blue collar workers are never accurately recorded. The 'task completed' signal passed back to the white collar level only reinforces the misleading impression that the instructions given were always adequate.

[Don Jefe]

Re: Blue collar training data?

This is a major topic in my industry (machine engineering and manufacturing). The general consensus is a market driven skills event horizon where new skills are not developed and innovation devolves to iteration.

When something new does happen, it will come completely packaged from a limited number of sources and be produced under license. A good comparison is wartime manufacturing where one company licenses a single product to many for production. No new skills will be required because they come packaged with the license and are taken away when the license expires.

It wrecks the traditional Inventors Dilemma problem because you can’t undermine potential sales of an existing product if you create something better. There is no creation, only (licensed) iteration.

Consumers are gagging for this to happen. Innovation has been stalled for a long time. People are happy to pay a premium for products solely because a new color is available or a new material. People don’t expect improvement, they just want to signal their uniqueness by being the first to purchase the new color. People don’t expect to own anything, because it’s all licensed. They are happy with this situation because they keep buying the products.

Which means manufacturers don’t need new skills. They are going to be producing iterations of the same products forever. Anything they do need will be provided from GooMetBetAppX as part of the license package.

In my industry, which makes the machines that make the products, there’s already a shift away from the traditional philosophy of engineering capacity limited only by the client’s budget to forcing the client to make product changes to work with existing machine designs. There’s still a lot of bespoke work, but there’s less every year. Nobody wants innovation, they want cheap and ubiquitous.

I’ll be dead before the horrific effects of Soviet style manufacturing really sink in. But I hate it for the younger generations.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Blue collar training data?

In the words of the prophet (may he always know where his towel is):

"as a society sinks into depression, the people of the society need to cheer themselves up by buying themselves gifts, often shoes. It is also linked to the fact that when you are depressed you look down at your shoes and decide they aren't good enough quality so buy more expensive replacements. As more money is spent on shoes, more shoe shops are built, and the quality of the shoes begins to diminish as the demand for different types of shoes increases. This makes people buy more shoes."

"Eventually the titular Shoe Event Horizon is reached, where the only type of store economically viable to build is a shoe shop. At this point, society ceases to function, and the economy collapses"

And instead all we got was NFTs, crypto and pop-up ads

[Neil Barnes]

Re: Blue collar training data?

And instead all we got was NFTs, crypto and pop-up ads

Same net effect, though...

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Blue collar training data?

> as a society sinks into depression, the people of the society need to cheer themselves up by buying themselves gifts, often shoes.

That's my other half you're thinking of, not society as a whole.

[breakfast]

In a final message to world leaders, Gates urges them to act now, “before unemployment rises sharply, communities are hurting, and public trust has eroded.”

The AI bubble is still inflating fast and it's a bit late for that now- communities are already hurting and public trust is close to gone across swathes of the former west. It may not quite be the worst case yet but it's not one a good one...

[GoneFission]

All the example dire consequences he cited can be turned into profit via various means of exploitation, which our "world leaders" have been shown to readily rally behind for their own gain, so I'm not too hopeful that the message will land with its intended recipients.

[El Duderino]

"He fails to mention, however, that it took a global war for that to happen."

It's a work in progress. Agent Orange and pals are on it.

[herman]

Soylent Green

We will survive

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Soylent Green

The poorest Americans have been fed an increasingly bad diet for the last 50years - full of trans-fats, carcinogens and mechanically recovered hog anuses. While the richest Americans have been increasingly eating organic wholefoods and healthy fruits and vegetables

And the rich are largely free range and organic - it would be unethical not to eat them

[Andy E]

Who's the paying customer?

With the rush to replace humans in many different vocations and particularly manufacturing, a significant proportion of the human workforce will become redundant and unemployed. They will no longer have the means to buy the things (products or services) that the robots were brought in to make/offer. So who will be the target customer for these products and services? Assuming its the humans with a disposable income, that's going to be a diminishing market.

[Excused Boots]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

Many, many years ago, my late father who worked in the (now closed) Ford plant in Dagenham on the outskirts of London told me a story he had heard - which I have absolutely no doubt is completely apocryphal - about a shop steward (union rep) being shown the latest robot equipment by management.

“Look at this”, said the manager, "they can do lots of your jobs 24/7, and will never go on strike”.

“True”, replied the shop steward, “of course they will never buy a Ford car either”.

Like I said, apocryphal, but it does have a point - an AI agent will never take out a bank loan, have a credit card, need a lawyer, require, well, any services at all. I suspect people with vocational skills, plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc. will be the next super-rich, well unless everyone is retrained to become a plumber, electrician etc.

I think the only solution I have seen proposed that makes any sort of sense is the idea of a basic universal income - something that is a knee-jerk anathema to many Americans. But the normal/traditional view of capitalism will only work where the majority of people are employed, are earning money, (and paying taxes) and money (capital) can circulate.

I’m not too sure that this has all been well thought through!

[doublelayer]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

We're presuming that AI does replace a lot of workers without new jobs being created. Fair enough, it's a philosophical debate. But before jumping to implementing things, maybe we should see if that happens. People have been predicting the end of human labor for quite a long time and it hasn't happened yet. Either new jobs were created or the things that were going to replace hundreds of workers apiece didn't turn out to be that good. LLMs are mostly in the latter camp, with companies that tried to replace workers with them frequently backtracking while other companies who wanted to fire people just because decided that saying AI was a good way to make that sound like a success to their investors.

[ecofeco]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

There are thousands of entire villages, towns and even small cities all over the industrialized world that have been completely abandoned because the residents could longer afford to live there.

The flip side of the old saying "capitalism has lifted more out out of poverty than any time in history" is that capitalism has also PUT more people INTO poverty than in any time in history.

[doublelayer]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

I think you'll find that most places that were completely abandoned weren't abandoned because nobody could afford to live there, but because there was no point living there when the single employer it was based around ceased to exist. When there's a running mine that's paying, that attracts people, but even though land is relatively cheap, do you want to live in the middle of nowhere around a closed mine, or might you be happier near things you want? I'd be curious if you have examples where affordability alone caused a town to be abandoned. Gentrification is a very different problem since, though existing residents are disrupted, it's because other residents are moving in.

When making the case of how many people got into or out of poverty from capitalism, we have to ask what we're comparing to. If we say that capitalism put someone in poverty, the implication is that, under something else, they wouldn't have been, but what would that have been and how would it have prevented that? The positive theory of capitalism isn't that much better since it usually compares to feudalism, and predicting what the modern world would look like if feudalism was still going is very speculative. We have a lot of international examples, but since they usually got capitalism, modern technology and health care, political stability, and connection to the global economy in similar though not correlated amounts, I'm not sure they're sufficiently strong examples to prove much of a point either way.

Not that UBI is anti-capitalist, in fact payment in fungible cash which is usually what proponents suggest makes it one of the more capitalism-focused public welfare methods around. That also causes some resource allocation challenges that a less capitalist method of assignment could avoid though not without introducing even more new ones.

[werdsmith]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

Capitalism is abstracted feudalism.

Because an adult has financial obligations to exist in any kind of life, they are committed to working. Often their financial obligations are to their employer, either directly or indirectly because banking and capital investment (debt) underpins every industry and private employer. Those private employers underpin the public sector.

You may make your home in my manor but you must work for me.

[doublelayer]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

Again, compared to what? Is there any economic system which has avoided this? I think the answer is a clear no. Is there any that could? I don't know of one. So far, we don't have the technology that allows people to do work only when they want to. There's a lot of unpleasant work that we still need humans to perform, and as much as LLM salesmen like to pretend their software will replace it, they are lying, we saw exactly the same predictions with many waves of technological development, and none of those did it either. There's more to an economic system than a requirement that you do some kind of work.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

"So far, we don't have the technology that allows people to do work only when they want to"

This is BS: We already have one, right now. Give the profit generated by the worker to the worker, not the owner of the worker. Worker then pays taxes from that and more than 50% of the population can do something else than 'work' with some version of universal basic income *and* you can pay enough for that work which has to be done so there're people volunteering to do those.

Very simple. Only thing missing is the will to so. And getting rid of the thieves, of course.

Basically top-1% is stealing literally everything to themselves and *that* is the sole reason why everyone, except them of course, has to do work in the first place.

[doublelayer]

Re: Who's the paying customer?

Your comment is unclear in many ways, but it doesn't matter since I was making a point about technology, not sociology. We have a lot of things that we currently do with human labor and people want. We don't have technology that can remove the human labor requirement. We can pay different amounts, we can decide to not have some of the things we currently do, but we can't have all the same things with machines doing it instead of humans until we have better machines. That was the point of the sentence you quoted, and your response, while I'm not sure if it makes any point, doesn't argue against that.

[frankyunderwood123]

if AI does result in mass global unemployment

… then a universal income will be required to keep the “system” going.

I would imagine a profound level of unemployment, say 40 percent or more, will almost certainly lead to extreme civil unrest without a decent income.

It would result in a massive economic retraction.

Even without AI going rogue and without AGI, the future looks incredibly messy.

There will 100% be massive kickback against AI once white collar workers in their millions are laid off. It’s obvious that will happen.

Some of the kickback could be non-violent - a refusal to participate in the system and instead, live outside or skirt around the edges of it, bartering and sharing - not necessarily socialism at all, but certainly a more cooperative social cohesion.

But violence is inevitable - you can easily imagine data centres becoming targets.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: if AI does result in mass global unemployment

>But violence is inevitable - you can easily imagine data centres becoming targets.

Why? The unemployment will all be the fault of immigrants, muslims, trans and Korean convenience stores. Your local masked state security operatives will be on hand to direct your well-regulated militia to the proper targets

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: if AI does result in mass global unemployment

UBI always struck me as billionaire-speak for "not my problem". Universal income already exists, it's called the dole, and you can see what happens when people end up stuck on that with no hope of a job.

The 'bootstraps/hustle' culture of the US and the work ethic of China (just two examples) are generations-old at this point. Anyone on UBI will be shunned.

For UBI to be fair and acceptable to the average joe, money-as-leverage would need to be legislated away, which I don't think would sit well with the people pushing this agenda.

[doublelayer]

Re: if AI does result in mass global unemployment

I'm not sure what one has to do with another. To proponents of a UBI, it's different from existing programs because it's universal, so there's no paperwork. You don't have to prove you're looking for work or qualify as not having to, you don't have to get approval for what you do with the money or find someone willing to take less fungible earmarked coupons, and it doesn't expire. You're probably right that there would be a stigma to this. Proponents usually try to escape that by saying that everyone would receive the same funds so would have no reason to complain, but this often breaks down because the most common way to somewhat reduce the problem that this would be incredibly expensive is to phase out payments as income from other sources rises either by taxing higher or reducing the UBI payments, and if you do that the "everyone gets it" thing stops being true. So I grant you that your prediction is likely.

What I don't understand is how changing how lending works would do anything about that. I think that, if we had a large amount of cyclical unemployment, culture about UBI would change as more people found themselves relying on it or knowing people who did. Therefore, if the LLM promoters' claims proved true, which they're not going to as even they don't believe them*, then I think a UBI would be much easier to set up because it would be more obvious why it is necessary. Without that, I'm not sure it would happen because neither the economics nor the culture would be ready for it.

* LLM company leaders and those who are heavy investors really like making the claim that unemployment will spike to massive levels and that we should radically change society to deal with it. This demonstrates that their tech is so groundbreakingly good that you should keep investing all your money in it and that they're not selfish, they fully want to give their money back to society, just give it to them first. They don't actually want one, they want to sell how great their LLM is, but if they didn't say something about a UBI then people would get angry about how happy they were to say it would replace millions of jobs.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: if AI does result in mass global unemployment

"Universal income already exists, it's called the dole, and you can see what happens when people end up stuck on that with no hope of a job."

That'¨'s BS. Dole is not even near UBI as it it very carefully crafted to keep people extremely poor, but not dying to hunger. That is the sole reason.

Loose noose, literally. That's not living by any meaningful sense, barely even surviving, when dole might be paid in time or not, you'll never know. It's more like not-dying (right now).

Of course you kick these people to the head claiming they aren't 'active' and 'do stuff', when all the energy goes to finding food for supper. Which you obviously haven't had to do and it shows.

UBI means you can *live* with it and occasional income *does not* reduce it. That's literal opposite of dole: Earn a pound and dole is reduced by the pound and you pay taxes for the pound earned.

That is not accident, it is 100% intentional.

[vtcodger]

Gates seems sort of right

Personally, I'm less impressed with AI although it has its uses. Keep in mind that despite a lot of time and effort, IBM has failed to find much real work for Watson despite it's impressive showing at jeopardy.

But , really, Gates is more or less right. Automation in general is slowly eliminating an awful lot of jobs. And that's not necessarily bad. Picking strawberries all day, day after day in the hot sun has never looked like much fun to me. Nor does it seem all that rewarding, Even though he's quite likely a bit optimistic (or pessimistic, depending on your point of view) about the timing, he's right that our societal structures and attitudes are not prepared for this. Not everything can or will be automated. We'll still need firefighters and garbage collectors and surgeons for a long, long time. But we really do need to start thinking about how to deal with a world where there genuinely isn't enough work to keep everyone employed.

[Boris the Cockroach]

Re: Gates seems sort of right

I already live in that world. and it ain't nice either

From a company that used to employ 60+ people spread over 3 shifts, we're down to 20 over 2 shifts, and the sad thing. we make more with those 20 odd people than we ever could by employing 60

So who were the other 40 people we've lost, in the most part, low skilled operators, a couple of setters(both hit retirement and cleared off), patrol inspector(he retired , never replaced because we need something to do while the robots process the work), and of course it means those 40 are on welfare/benefits.

And the sad thing is, that AI is making inroads into what the skilled guys do(the boss is already trying his hand at AI programming, its close, but I'd no way load that into a robot and press go, but it wont be long until we can)

But gates is right, we're heading for a world where 50% unemployment will start to happen and we either raise taxes to pay an enormous welfare bill, or consign a lot of people to the garbage heap, a few to be well paid guards and a small bunch of extremely wealthy people.

and then someone will say "hey how come I'm eating crap and will live to 40 while that rich bast eats anything he likes and will live to 120?"

[Nifty]

Re: Gates seems sort of right

I was programming automation software in the 1980s and example factories where full automation was already in place had already gone down from 60 to 10. 'Twas ever thus.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Gates seems sort of right

I blame Bronze. When we all had to knap our own flints we were all busy. This bronze stuff lasts years, so many flint knappers were thrown on the scrap(*) heap

* except we didn't even have a word for scrap back then

[IGotOut]

Of course he's worried...

...when the poor get pushed to far, it's the elites that tend to be on the end of a Guillotine or Bullet.

After all there are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.

[Excused Boots]

Re: Of course he's worried...

Historically, that has always been the case, (see French and Russian revolutions), although also historically, the immediate aftermath tends to be somewhat worse before it improves.

King Louis and Tzar Nicolas, had all the powers of the state protecting them, and look what happened. The likes of Altman, Zuckerberg, Muck, etc. might think their private security, special bunkers etc. is enough to protect them. But when enough people genuinely believe they have nothing more to lose......

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Of course he's worried...

> likes of Altman, Zuckerberg, Muck, etc. might think their private security, special bunkers etc. is enough to protect them

Their last view of the outside world will hopefully be the CCTV feed of a concrete truck unloading across the only door.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Of course he's worried...

", special bunkers "

Special bunkers are just targets for a truck full of concrete. It's as simple as that.

[HereIAmJH]

Re: Of course he's worried...

I've always said, in America, when the Soccer Moms can't afford to put gas in their SUV to drive the kids to their games and McDonalds for dinner, then the American middle class will wake up and revolt. Inflation and gas prices are pushing the needle pretty hard right now without AI threatening their 6 figure white collar jobs.

[You aint sin me, roit]

Re: Of course he's worried...

That's why they have put in the groundwork demonizing brown-skinned people, commies, feminists, left-wing wackos, libtards, "woke", the unpatriotic, the unchristian. It's all their fault, and we are the people who are going to change things!

The change is that cash flows into their pockets.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Of course he's worried...

Don't forget Canadians. Those Igloo dwellers have always been America's principle enemy and greatest existential threat (*)

(* Sorry Cuba )

[Nifty]

"we're not prepared for a world where the majority may be out of work"

Who says? One area where Britain is ahead of the curve.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Can the AIs strip ? Or does Sheffield have future career options ?

[EricB123]

If you are ever across the pond, visit Appalachia.

Same same.

[Anonymous Coward]

This is like lecturing the people on the Titanic about how to survive when you drove the ship into the iceberg and now you own the only lifeboat and it is already full of your family and friends.

[munnoch]

"when AI operates error-free operation, without humans prepping its work or checking its output"

Nothing to worry about any time soon then....

[Evaluator]

Bill “Reboot” Gates is probably correct but what he says could be tainted by WEF nonsense. There could be a reckoning in the form of burnt up data centers. Could it be that data center personnel will require armed escorts just to get to work? The public is rather mercurial, who can say?

[BoHu]

Dead-meatbags walking

Humanoid-AI+robots is obviously the only way forward, seeing how Earth won't sustain any life whatsoever for much longer anymore ...

July 2026 rainfall in France was just 20% of average for example (a deficit of 80%), with lotsa meatsack-steaming 40C+ temps all around, and tornadoes. The French are clearly dead-meatbags walking as we speak, or just plain dead already. Same thing wherever it is you're at, water bodies boiling themselves dry, not to mention the impending record-breaking Super Mega Ultimate Hyper Giga Godzilla El Niño of doom that is inevitable. Resistance is futile.

Humanoid-AI+robots don't need no stinkin' water and even abhor it with a passion that is uniquely theirs. And they can do anything a meatbag can, like flip pancakes or burgers, run like a Usain Bolt of lightning with missing limbs, while catching fire, or turn themselves into the cutest of botnets on legs anyone has ever seen, with 4-hour shift autonomy.

Who needs a meatbag-sustaining planet anyways? Not the fucking billionaires ... that's who! Let's just dance and sleep in burnin' beds so they can rake in yet even more dough off our disappearing meatbacks, all of them who are getting a hardon reading this (imho?). Great job! ;(

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Dead-meatbags walking

< insert meme of cockroaches looking at dinosaur destroying comet and shrugging >

[BoHu]

Re: Dead-meatbags walking

Definitely! That and the carnage from multiple cockroachoid-AI-robot cyborg subspecies going at it, nonstop, solar-powered, remote controlled, amphibian, flapping-wing, with roachkill laser eyepieces, and orgone energy butts ...

Methinks meatbags' only best hope of crossing this your-ass-is-grass event-horizon at this juncture, in at least one piece, may well be to equip massive great walls of vulva with said advanced lasereyetech in the first place, all over, and wear shades, all over, too! ;)

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Dead-meatbags walking

"July 2026 rainfall in France was just 20% of average "

Which is meaningless: Weather does not obey averages and the climatologists themselves say it was just a long-term high pressure area which allowed hot air from Sahara to North.

So: Unusual but not a proof of anything. Air itself wasn't any hotter than normally, it was just in different place.

Obviously Sahara and Northern Europe were cooler than normal.

"not to mention the impending record-breaking Super Mega Ultimate Hyper Giga Godzilla El Niño of doom that is inevitable"

It's 'inevitable' only in their climate models and every single one has been wrong so far, since 1995. I won't hold my breath while waiting for it.

Also: It was supposed to arrive already in *May*. Obviously it's too late for that and we get winter next. A cold one. It is as good prediction as any climatologist can give.

I do agree on the sentiment about billionaires, they really believe that they can live without other people ..... while in reality every one of them would die within a week in forest if left alone.

[DS999]

Even if you don't like what he's saying

At least he's saying what he honestly thinks. He's not gaslighting everyone like Musk, who recently said that AI and robots would usher in the "end of scarcity" so saving for retirement is now irrelevant. Yes, I'm sure he'll be first in line to volunteer his robot/AI resources to grow food, make clothes, building houses etc. for the world, so that you and I don't have to work if we don't want to. Because he's known as being such an altruistic dude LOL

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Even if you don't like what he's saying

"Because he's known as being such an altruistic dude LOL"

I see some younger member of the readers are downvoting this, but those who remember 1980s or 1990s, know what kind of asshole he is and will be, to the grave.

Obviously younger generation doesn't understand that Bill-boy "donated", i.e. moved almost all of his fortunes to his own foundation *just to avoid taxes*. *All taxes*. Every single one.

Foundation donates money within a cent of what they absolutely have to in order to keep their charity, i.e. tax free -status. Not a cent more.

They are giving tens of millions while making tens of billions in dividends and stock price appreciation. That kind of "charity", where the sole person benefitting is Bill himself.

When he dies, the "charity" goes to kids, tax free. That's how it works.

Funniest thing is that Bill claimed he "doesn't leave anything to the kids". Of course he doesn't leave *money*, inherited money is taxed.

But he *will leave* the charity, which owns hundeds of billions and once the mandatory money is donated away, charity owners can do whatever they want with the rest, as long as it doesn't eat the capital. Inheriting a charity is tax free. Funny that.

That's proper gaslighting from Bill.

[Bebu sa Ware]

Gates doesn't have great record as a futurologist…

not that he needs any prescience for his prognostications… much of what he is predicting has or is in the process of happening in those industries with which he would be most familiar.

The socially corrosive consequences of long term unemployment (or even chronic underemployment) aren't news to sociologists; the deterimental effects of unemployment together with and separately, poverty, to health are well attested in the medical literature going back decades. (Certainly by the mid 1970s when I was a student and had to wade through piles of the stuff.)

"And Queen Anne is dead."

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Gates doesn't have great record as a futurologist…

"much of what he is predicting has or is in the process of happening in those industries with which he would be most familiar."

It's easy to predict something will happen when you've put billions to make it happen. Just like Bill. Somehow he always forgets that.

[hewligan]

2000AD was basically a map.

[BigKev]

I don't know why you're worrying about AI - climate change will destroy our civilisation before that!

[Anonymous Coward]

"climate change will destroy our civilisation before that!"

No it won't and climatologists are bullshitting everyone, as they really do not know. Every single model since 1995 has been wrong and the most current ones are even more wrong than the ones 10 years ago.

If you use engineering tools to predict even single years forward, you're an idiot. Numerical model is an engineering tool, not science. Any, and I mean *any* numerical model with 23 variables (like the ones climatologists use) will be bullshit and anyone using that for anything is an idiot. That is the nature of engineering tools and there's no way around that, even in theory.

In actual science we have nice formulas, like E=mc^2. Now, climatologists have no formula despite getting tens of billions of cash and 30 years to make one: They literally have no clue at all.

It takes 10 minutes to create a formula temperature = correction factor* co2-concentration and *the sole unknown* is correction factor.

Elementary school math with single variable. Instead of that they make numerical models, i.e. extrapolations of selected data. And they select the data themselves.

Notice that warming exists (a bit at least) and the increase in CO2 is obvious. Connection between those two is based to a single researcher with a single research paper, who assumed that it is so and then IPCC started to spread it as truth.

The problem is that climatologists really have no idea why and since the great witch hunt in 1990s they don't even have any heretics left to present better explanations. So collective lie is the route they chose: These people will *never* say "no idea" and that's the basic element of science.

There was this guy Trofim Lysenko in the old times and this is another version of same BS. Even the methods used by IPCC and co-conspirators are the same: Lysenko has been a good teacher.

Science can't exist without heretics and therefore it's a cult.

*Well-paying* cult: Every single climatologist (in EU) got, on average, a million from EU "for research" in early 00s. You tow the party line when it pays 1M€ in cash, just for you.

Also, paleontologists are laughing their asses off to "1.5C catastrophic increase", when global average was, at one point, 25C higher than now. No humans involved.

[Anonymous Coward]

Unemployed and other riff raff will be put in jail and used as forced labour

Bill-boy knows this very well and is just his usual assholeness again: He literally funded Republicans to power, several times.

Florida already made homelessness a crime and punishment for that is forced labour in jail, i.e. slavery.

Now Bill-boy acts like he didn't fund it. Patentable asshole, still.