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Oracle has told contributors to OpenJDK – the open source Java project it stewards – not to submit code or other material generated by AI. In a post tagged "legal," Oracle said it was drafting a full policy on generative AI but had set interim ground rules. It cited risks involving review workloads, safety, security, and …

  1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

    Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

    ...or is it the other way round in this case (i.e. not wanting anyone else to eat it)? I'm not sure.

    Regardless, I always thought that expression was a bit flawed- I mean, if you literally made food meant for dogs rather than humans, you wouldn't really be expected to eat it for your own lunch, would you?

    1. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

      In the case of Oracle I might substitute shit for food.

      I was reading today that the S.Korean stock market has headed south mostly because of ETFs which like those in the US are heavily contaminated by those highly leveraged and overvalued tech stocks deeply involved in the AI lunacy. Unstable oscillations around the edge of catastrophe?

      1. Tron Silver badge

        Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

        Stock markets regularly suspend/drop poorly performing shares and replace them with healthier ones, making classic trackers rather meaningless as a statistical guide. They will just drop the AI stocks when the time comes and recalibrate.

        Similarly, all that circular investment and promises to build zillions of bucks worth of datasheds will have small print that allows them to back out.

        The bigger corporations have armies of cubicle slaves to read and write the small print on contracts to cover their rears. The buck always stops with the mugs who didn't. They pay for it all, when everything goes TU.

    2. Caspian Prince

      Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

      This may be apocryphal but I think the origins of the expression were based on the concept of an advertising campaign where the manufacturers of said dog food said it was so good that they'd even eat it themselves.

    3. Toastan Buttar

      Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food

    4. Richard 12 Silver badge
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

      Many years ago I worked at a petfood factory. Petfood is generally required to be human-edible, just in case.

      The "product appreciation" training involved making a small batch of the dog food, then tasting it.

      However, the ingredients were supermarket bought, rather than the tanker-delivered that went into the normal production lines.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

        >supermarket bought, rather than the tanker-delivered

        How do you think the supermarket's suppliers get product delivered?

        1. Random as if ! Bronze badge

          Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

          Oh....

    5. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: Is this them not "eating their own dog food"...

      food meant for dogs rather than humans, you wouldn't really be expected to eat it for your own lunch, would you?

      In the UK (and probably the EU) all stuff sold as dog (or cat) food has to be safe for human consumption.

      Operative word being 'safe'. Doesn't require it to be tasty..

  2. EvaQ
    Devil

    Rules for thee, but not for me

    ... also because other people's time is free. Not like expensive Oracle's own people.

  3. RachelG

    it's been a source of continual surprise that Oracle has been a *good* steward of Java since they got it. It seems so out of character, and Ellison being such a monster in most things. That dumb lawsuit against Google notwithstanding (hell I can't even remember how it was decided in the end, made largely irrelevant by Google going over to Kotlin for Android dev) - but I guess that's the clue:

    This directive came from Legal. It's open source now and they *do* accept code from non-Oracle developers, but the *provenance* of that code has to be airtight or the whole thing can be taken apart by copyright disputes. And that's probably going to be true for anything where you're not strictly using any AI-generated code for private, internal projects. Anything that goes out there, your copyright on it will be at risk. And that does matter for open source too, which is why I think the Linux kernel is put at risk by letting this slurry in.

    1. containerizer

      > That dumb lawsuit against Google notwithstanding

      There was also the thing were they went around aggressively auditing everyone for use of the Oracle JDK and sending them a huge bill. From then on, most of us have considered their JDK build to be radioactive (despite recent license changes promising that it isn't).

  4. Arkitekt

    Yikes...

    So strange how those in public eye are afraid to speak their minds on things... especially with regards to things that are just bad - like AI and Christopher Nolan.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Yikes...

      Is Al Nolan the one who did the Odyssey costumes alongside Jonathan's script and Christopher's directing?

      1. Random as if ! Bronze badge

        Re: Yikes...

        Have not seen the AI dessey yet, may see it on BBC in a few years , AI has made me hate Sci-Fi and for that, it must never return revenue.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I'm not in the mood for dancing

        Al Nolan was the sibling who wasn't going to be allowed into The Nolan Sisters because he was a brother. Then they let him in anyway, changed their name to The Nolans, put him in a wig and hoped no-one would notice.

  5. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Pretty much sums up the investment bubble

    AI is insanely expensive but can't yet produce results you can trust. Will it produce high value results before all the investments are obsolete? Probably... not.

    Good luck on the ROI.

  6. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck Silver badge

    Yeah, we pitch the crap to our customers for obscene margins, but please don't actually use it, m'kay?

  7. DS999 Silver badge

    Man it will be great to see

    Oracle go bankrupt when the AI bubble bursts

  8. ecofeco Silver badge
    Trollface

    Bet the farm?

    Or did they buy the farm and just not know it yet?

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Bet the farm?

      The House of Ellison is on the Brink

      $70bn well spent if it means his Jenga tower comes crashing down and he has to sell his yachts and his Hawaiian island.

  9. Random as if ! Bronze badge
    Flame

    Aaaaandddd like 1873

    Its over......firesale., contagion spreads ....investors hope that someone will sort this mess out... IPO is not considered as the masses have learned from SpaceX that a duck or tulip, or inflated railway stock, is what it says on the tin...

    WELCOME TO THE DESERT OF THE REAL....

    Best keep that job for a while.

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