Every site needs a "seems like AI slop" button
And it needs to be prominent, because it'll be getting a lot of use!
LinkedIn has been drenching its users in AI-powered slop posts, going so far as to encourage writers to trade their own voices for a bot's by hitting the "enhance your post" button when they want to share thoughts. Enough is enough. On Thursday, the site’s Chief Product Officer has announced several changes designed to rehab …
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Won't be used by me. A month or so ago they locked my account demanding government ID.
I get so little out of LinkedIn that I decided not to bother. It's "value" for me got lower and lower, just as their push for cash got louder and louder... and it crossed the point where it just wasn't worth bothering with.
I need to get a new job soon, and I've been told by multiple people that I pretty much need a LinkedIn account. Honestly, it's even worse than it was fifteen years ago when I last deleted my account. The minute I get confirmation of a new job it's getting deleted again.
I only have one social media presence - LinkedIn. I have been capturing connections for years, never posting or sharing drivel. Got the RIF a while back after 25 years. LinkedIn paid off with a personal connection that has led to gainful employment.
My opinion... Skip LinkedIn if you want. Use a Rolodex instead. But you cannot skip both.
" I have been capturing connections for years, never posting or sharing drivel."
I'm the same way. I have a thin profile and don't post or consume drivel. It's only there so I can be found for school reunion stuff and re-connecting with people I knew in the past. I also had a connection with a company that bought the assets of a former employer that went BK. They called to have me consult on things I previously worked on. Paid very well and gives me a tiny piece of a moon landing mission or two. Always "sign" your work in some way, if you can.
"Business speak" has sounded like AI slop for decades. "Maximizing shareholder value (by laying off employees)". "On Monday we will turn up a new service. (as though it is like a volume knob)" Income increases are reported as "$100,000, up 2% over last year" while decreases are "$50,000 COMPARED TO $75,000 last year", to avoid using the words "down" or "decreased".
Yes, I've thought something similar. The fake banality of a lot of AI doesn't feel entirely unfamiliar. It resembles the bland airlessness of a lot of pre-existing "human"-generated PR content and similar prose created long before LLMs were ever a thing.
Not least because it will have been trained on a lot of that shite.
I mean, "elevate" (as in "elevate your [blah blah blah]") is a stupidly overused AI banality, but from what I remember, it was already heading in that direction through *human* use before ChatGPT et al came along. It's just like AI saw that everyone was already using it and turned that tendency up to 11.
Well, yeah. I've used LinkedIn, and keep getting formulaic Facebook-style posts shoved in my face with "helpful" newbie IT advice and opinions that smack more of people wanting to position themselves as an authority and gain followers to advance *their* own career. No doubt they're using AI slop to churn out their shitty infographics et al, but I suspect that's just enabling (and enabled by) the pre-existing slide towards Facebook trashism.
And, in truth, that's what LinkedIn comes across as to me- a trashy as hell wannabe Facebook clone luring people in under the guise of being a serious career networking and jobhunting site.
I mean, I was getting spam from them at one point pushing me to play some fucking puzzle game to see if I could beat my "peers". Seriously? Fuck off. If I wanted Facebook, I'd be using Facebook. And yeah, I'm *sure* that following Steven fucking Bartlett- who they were spamming me to follow- is going to help me find a better job. (*)
Apparently it used to be- *long* before I ever used it- a lot more useful for genuine networking, rather than pushing content and wannabe-influencers *they* want you to see in your feed. (Another respect in which LinkedIn resembles modern day Facebook).
But nowadays you only apparently get that if you're prepared to pay through the nose for even the most basic functions. Given the 1.2 star Trustpilot rating(!!!) and endless nightmare stories I've heard about paying customers getting screwed over, nickel and dimed and/or locked out of their accounts, there's no way in hell I'd risk ever becoming reliant upon it, let alone allow it anywhere near my billing details.
(*) I've no first hand experience of Bartlett, as he gave the impression of being the type of self-promoting self-publicist "entrepreneur" I had zero interest in. (LinkedIn shoving him in my face exacerbated that impression). From what I've read recently, I was pretty much right, but he's moved away from the "entrepreneur" thing into a more Joe Rogan-esque direction giving a soft soap easy ride to right-wingers and "manosphere" types. In other words, "not" a far-right type himself, just another follow-the-money grifting enabler who's okay with that if he gets his thirty pieces of silver.
It stopped being serious the moment Microsoft bought it. Now they've added the AI bit and it is all slop from morning to night.
Time to stop using it. Delete your profiles people. Starve the AI of data to turn into pigswill.
Brief history on my post (that I should have thought of including but only thought of that afterwards) :
I had been forced by my employer of the time (in 2007) to get an account. It was, apparently, company policy.
I let it lie there after having taken a brief tour of the content. I was not impressed. Not did I participate in anything, and none of my coworkers of that time ever contacted me on my account.
When I learned that Redmond has bought it out, I closed the account.
When I learned that Redmond had bought GitHub, I knew that GitHub was going bye-bye.
Redmond has the reverse Midas touch : everything it touches goes to shit.
Me too. I enjoy the monthly reminder that it is in hibernation.
Admittedly I previously had a filter to move everything to spam. Only issue was that the occasional message from someone I was interested in hearing from went there too. I only logged in once every six months or so out with times I've been looking for jobs.
LinkedIn as it was originally conceived was much better. A way for professionals to stay in touch and for employers to find the people they need. I expect that didn't pay enough for the price M$ paid for it so they needed to find new ways to monetize the site. Not make it better, but make more money from it, AKA, enshittified to the point that 16 year old girls find it entertaining.
Before I nuked by Twitter account ages ago, I started deleting follows when my feed got clogged up with those people documenting their every meal. I'm not adverse to a good restaurant recommendation, but it was too much to parse when I'd log in. Before long I was only following a couple of people and the slide towards a more Beavis and Butthead experience took over. At that point I could see that it had no use and was only a distraction.
"several changes designed to rehab the platform’s reputation"
As far as I can see LinkedIn has two reputations held by two different groups. One group is the wankers who post on it and the other held by those who consider those who post on it to be wankers. Which reputation is it intended to enhance.
I amuse myself sometimes by mentally composing the most ludicrous, turd-polishing LinkedIn profiles; for example, "I flip burgers at McDonald's and play Counter-Strike in the evenings" would become, on LinkedIn, something like "When not demonstrating a key thought-leadership role in the world of customer-driven retail nutrition, I perform exhaustive testing of interactive three-dimensional virtual simulations..."
I'm sure fellow commentards here have seen LI posts with even higher bullshit:reality ratios...
Ah yes, AI. The latest solution in desperate search of a problem. Every website now proudly serves up an endless buffet of statistically averaged drivel, scraped from yesterday's statistically averaged drivel and presented as innovation.
Back in my day, if someone wanted to post nonsense online they had to put in a bit of effort. Now a hyperscale datacentre vaporises half a reservoir so that a chatbot can confidently explain the difference between a toaster and a badger in twelve paragraphs with five bullet points and a cheerful conclusion.
The defenders always claim it "saves time". Indeed. Why spend ten minutes forming an original thought when you can spend twenty minutes editing autogenerated waffle into something almost indistinguishable from a human contribution? Productivity gains of up to 137%, according to a study that may or may not exist.
As a concerned technology enthusiast with 27 years of experience, a deep appreciation for critical thinking, and a commitment to fostering meaningful discourse in digital environments, I believe we must carefully evaluate both the opportunities and challenges presented by artificial intelligence. By working together, we can ensure that innovation remains aligned with human values, authenticity, and sustainable best practices.
In conclusion, AI-generated content risks diluting the quality of online discussion. Furthermore, stakeholders should leverage robust governance frameworks to promote synergistic knowledge-sharing outcomes while maintaining a user-centric paradigm. Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
Posted from a mobile device while consuming tea. Any typographical anomalies are regretted.
"The defenders always claim it "saves time". Indeed."
There's a cartoon online with the first panel showing a guy in an office explaining to someone how AI saves him time by churning out a long-winded report on his behalf.
The second panel shows the colleague he sent it to explaining how AI saves her time by summarising that long-winded report.
In other words, the "time saving" productivity "gains" of AI in a nutshell.
Not a great deal I would have thought at least in conseqences if one were to shove one's fingers through an available opening into either's internals.
I guess you have to be British to contemplate the distinction between two such vastly dissimilar objects and conceivably that twelve paragraphs might be required.
Should be an A level essay topic with full marks to submissions in the form of a sonnet or haiku. The transposition of boaster and tadger might be a start — both are of course dicks.
… to engage with linkedIn for anything other than a basic profile and a CV.
Sadly the site is still almost a requirement when job hunting, but any trust of the platform beyond reviewing a CV would be foolish.
It’s not just AI slop articles though, it’s AI slop profiles and CVs (resume for US folk)
The last time I used the site for my own profile was 8 years ago when job hunting, which was a waste of time. Got a job via word of mouth as per usual.
Even back then it was mostly rubbish, a site full of banality and back slapping, duff articles and fakeness.
I was recently helping interview candidates for software engineering roles and found myself back on the site.
It was so depressing. Everything seemed AI generated, down to the candidates profiles.
Quite why LinkedIn still has the draw in terms of having to use it when job hunting is beyond me.
I really felt like giving negative points to any candidate who put a linkedIn URL in their CV, sadly every single one did.
Well maybe it has something to do with all the people who persist in thinking that "the site is still almost a requirement when job hunting".
No, it is not. You can send a CV without LinkedIn.
I never needed LinkedIn to find a job. If you think you do, maybe you're part of the problem.
I've been actively looking for work in Canada from the UK. I worked with some placement agencies in Toronto and more than one said that I would not be taken seriously as a Senior IT professional unless I was on LinkedIn. Though I pine for Moose, Mountains and Mounties, that's a bridge too far. In my career I have never used LinkedIn in the hiring process.
When I was laid off from $BIGTECHCOMPANY a few years ago, one of the few parting gifts given to me was a few months of the services of a career placement company. Their advice could be summed up as:
1) "your resume is far too long - it needs to be 1 page, max - here, we've re-written it for you" (translation: they chopped off all evidence of my 25+ years of software development and tech marketing, and made my resume look like that of a recent college grad)
2) "Unless you have at least 100+ network connections on LinkedIn, recruiters won't even give you a second glance".
Ref that second one - I already had a bare-bones LI profile, mainly for the proverbial shits'n'giggles, with a grand total of maybe 3 network contacts. Prompted by their advice I became one of those annoying people on LinkedIn, pinging everyone I could think of and asking to "connect" with them (i.e., "we exchanged business cards once while both waiting in the Delta lounge at Washington Dulles 10 years ago, can I add you to my network"...)
Didn't seem to make any difference. I think LI is very, very over-rated.
Amen!
They were numpties. Purely there to allow my former employer's HR bods to boast that they were "offering a comprehensive support package" to those laid-off. Like the "free year's credit-monitoring services" that companies routinely give to victims of identity theft - sounds good, but amounts to zilch.
"...... the services of a career placement company."
They are a big part of the problem - I long ago came to the conclusion that any prospective employer who advertises a job through an agency is an employer that I do not wish to work for.
Most especially where the name of the prospective employer is witheld and only a vague location specified - I want to know who and where I am applying to BEFORE I submit the application. Would that agency/employer consider an applicant who had witheld their name and address from their CV I wonder? - rhetorical question ;)
"any prospective employer who advertises a job through an agency is an employer that I do not wish to work for."
I'd not go that far, but if I don't know who the employer is, I'm not going to make contact. For all I know, the job doesn't exist and the recruiter is just looking to build up their database. I've been contacted regarding some interesting jobs in the past from a recruiter I might have been tempted into if they weren't in a horrible area such as the Silicon Valley or a mega-city. Not my pint of Guinness. A few have been for roles I had never thought of.
I've had more than a few agency job offers that turned out to be from companies that specifically stated "no agencies" in the job description. Not sure how they thought that was going to work, but hey ho.
"1) "your resume is far too long - it needs to be 1 page, max - here, we've re-written it for you""
Obviously, you have found a placement company staffed with HR types. Since they have no clue what a position entails, they would never read into anything longer than a page of 24pt type. I have more years of experience thus far and was curating my resume to fit the position. I had a master long-form resume and would copy/paste sections as needed. For a senior role, a one page resume is too short. It's hard to say what would be too long, but 2-3 pages would not be excessive, if warranted, as a short version. Having a longer one that gave more details about projects at each employer could be handy to have on hand if they ask for more or to hand over in an interview.
Connections on LinkedIn are not that useful. I have people I've never met always asking to connect. I don't do that as I want a way to restrict non-connected people from seeing things. There are plenty of people I have connections with that I haven't communicated with in years. I keep those just in case they ever wind up in town and want to meet up or vice versa.
> "Sadly the site is still almost a requirement when job hunting [..] I really felt like giving negative points to any candidate who put a linkedIn URL in their CV, sadly every single one did."
You already pre-empted your own criticism.
Even if everyone thinks LinkedIn is shit, you can hardly blame them for doing it if they need a job and think that's what everyone else expects.
"I really felt like giving negative points to any candidate who put a linkedIn URL in their CV, sadly every single one did."
Some online tutorial said they had to. I get the same sort of thing as a professional photographer with people telling me I must have an Instagram account. I don't, I have a web site of my very own. I'm interested in customers, not likes and those customers need to be relatively close. Somebody contacting me from another country is a waste of my time. 100's of somebodies contacting me from other countries every day is a massive problem. The chances there will a commission in that where they'll pay me fat money to travel to photograph their project is as close to nil as makes no odds. Just the time required to delete all of that is too much.
If you are hiring, it may be a good idea to state that no links will be visited and initial automated scanning may delete applications with links. I work independently now, but when I had employees and also when I was part of the team screening intern applicants, a concise and curated package was the best way to clear the first round(s) of cuts. Having employment gaps can be a problem sometimes, but a very brief mention of employment in a unrelated field can fix that. We all need to eat and can have other responsibilities crop up. I don't want to see 3 paragraphs describing a role at a fast food restaurant when applying to be an aerospace intern. Course work in a relevant field is more appropriate. It will only be in later selection rounds that I'd want to see projects the person was part of and that could be things online.
The extinction of the cover letter is sad. With AI-automated application reviews, I think companies are missing a really excellent tool in finding good people. The rise of HR is also another nail in corporate coffins. I can't tell if some HR departments even understand what the company does and they certainly don't understand what's required for the jobs they are advertising.
As a joke I actually asked ChatGPT to create an LinkedIn "thinkpiece" claiming that AI was literally better than sliced bread. And I swear a couple of my followers took it seriously, and didn't read my comment where I admitted to the joke.
I see so many AI evangelists and outright AI cultists on my feed it's dispiriting.
....but "reporting" the post as AI slop doesn't necessarily remove it? If anything, isn't this just going to have them train the LLM on the responses until its output is indistinguishable from the real thing?
Not that I can tell the business-speak gobbledegook bollocks apart from AI slop anyway. Place is full of twats that seem to measure their self-worth by how many hours a week they work for a company and manglement that doesn't give a shit about them. For some reason those types seem to think others will find this impressive.
Either…
- that I’ve come back to work after maternity leave and looking forward to getting on with the job I’m paid for
- that xyzcorp has deigned me worthy of employment and I’m looking forward to working with a great team I’ve never met and here’s a list of butt-kissing credits naming the interviewers
- that xyzcorp gave me a great interview and I’m grateful for that chance even though I didn’t get the job but maybe they will not reject me a second time if I post this
- that I’ve now moved on from greyfaced role at xyzcorp ‘looking for a new challenge’, anyone willing to take a chance on me because I’m panicking but also don’t believe in applying for jobs, instead believing my own hype in how important I am in the belief that people will reach out to me and that LinkedIn is the be all and end all of modern recruitment
And finally the worst part…
Getting an email that claims ‘Someone has messaged you in LinkedIn’ only to login and find it’s some stupid nonsense as.
It’s rubbish. It’s nothing like what it purports to be. And for $ A MONTH.
We're all going to flag up these posts, meaning that there'll be a huge amount of training data produced for what makes something look like AI and what passes as human-created.
Which will then be used to train MS AIs.
If people want to use an AI as their public face then let them. It just means you don't take them seriously, and when a platform's full of that crap you just leave the platform to die. Then there's a spread of people leaving and no real information as to why. Reporting AI slop is the same as "which of these pictures includes a motorbike?" posts.
"In 20 years, I've never received a job offer via LinkedIn that was any better than "insulting"."
There will be somebody that's getting urgent letters that their student loan payment are overdue and even though the job pays very little, they can live in their parents home a while longer to allow them to take that pay and send it to the loan sharks until something better comes along. The salary of that new hire gets reported to place that track salaries with the effect of lowering the average pay figures for those sorts of positions. That makes it easier to companies to offer lower salaries since they can point to "official" stats.
I've received offers with salary ranges that don't cover the cost of living where the job is after taxes. It would be an OK salary in other parts of the US, just not where the job is located. I see many jobs like that and some of them get filled. Somebody with a freshly minted diploma wants to work for XYZ company and will suffer to take the job. A year later when their lease comes up for renewal they have to quit as they can't afford to live in the area and have maxed out a credit card trying.
The platform has been beyond redemption† for so long — certainly pre·dating AI — that rehabilitation is inconceivable.
"A slop tank filled with faux thought leadership posts and generative drivel." — You are being too kind.
Even five years ago the naturally generated slop was mind numbing — a cesspit of incoherent halfwits‡ vomiting their mental sewerage projected by their incessant brain·farts.
† Damned in the vernacular. ‡ Feel free to reduce the fraction.
For the last year, my LinkedIn profile has included '(Retired)' at the end of my title. Yet I still get messages from vendors who think that my former employer could use their newer shinier whatever. Perhaps LinkedIn's AI could help these messengers pick up on the Retired part. A one-liner in sed/awk/Perl would suffice, or a moment of attention. But failing those, yes, by all means burn through watts and evaporate aquifers to refine their searches.
I found that removing the "open to work" tag/banner/whatever from your linkedin profile helped cut down on some of the headhunter spam. But not all.
I suspect that even deleting the profile altogether won't completely make them go away. There's undoubtedly a lot of cached info still out there, if your CV was ever public for a time. The resume sourcers don't care if yours is actually a good fit, they just want to fill their quota.
At some point maybe I'll age out beyond the range the AI bots and page scrapers consider acceptable, but it hasn't happened yet.