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The UK government's blueprint for turning Britain into an AI superpower largely ignore the water datacenters need, prompting warnings that these facilities could end up competing with homes and businesses for supply. The warning comes as parts of southern, central, and eastern England move closer to drought, putting the pressure …

  1. lglethal Silver badge
    Trollface

    "Major businesses should pay for the water infrastructure they need so that the costs don't fall onto households."

    But think of the shareholders, and their lost profits! No, no, no! We cant have that! We'll slip Farage another couple of Mil, for security purposes of course. And when he is prime minister, then all this can go away. I'm sure the Plebs wont mind paying a bit more on their bills, to keep their betters in Cognac...

    1. just4this Bronze badge

      But think of the shareholders

      What happens when the government are the shareholders?

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly089d0wl7o

      1. lglethal Silver badge
        Go

        Re: But think of the shareholders

        If the government are shareholders, that would be great. The government doesnt need dividends or a high share price.

        Quite frankly, it's absolutely ridiculous that you would privatise a basic utility. A private company needs to make enough money to satisfy the shareholders and C-Suite. That means profits will be prioritised over investments. A Utility company should be non-profit. All operational profit should be reinvested in upgrades and network extensions. If money is left over after all the investment is accounted for, then prices for the users should decrease. By all means, run the C-Suite as if it were a private company, with their bonuses based on generating enough operational profit to fund the necessary internal investment side.

        But a utility running as a private company has to generate enough profit to satisfy the shareholders. And the C-suite are beholden to the shareholders, so either prices rise to generate more profit, or investment is cut to hold on to that profit. Or more likely both. Which is how you get the high prices, crap service, and regular environmental failures you get from a utility like Thames Water.

        Nationalisation, done right, could be a massive benefit. But considering it's politicians driving the job, the chances of it being done right, are minimal...

        1. SundogUK Silver badge

          Re: But think of the shareholders

          "That means profits will be prioritised over investments."

          Investments drive profits, as any dumbass C-suiter knows. The real problems are government interference - as is pointed out in the article. Data centre water use is specifically excluded from planning by government diktak. Building reservoirs takes years because of the environmental impact studies required, etc. These are not simple problems to solve but simply blaming it all on the C-suite is retarded.

          1. lglethal Silver badge
            Stop

            Re: But think of the shareholders

            Yes, a smart C-suite understands that Investments drive Profits. BUT current C-suites are encouraged/incentivized to focus on this quarter's profits. An Investment now is a drop in this quarter's profits, and that affects the C-suite bonuses. It also affects the shareholders dividends, which can see the C-suite canned very quickly.

            Intel pay out Billions per year in dividends (covered right here in El Reg reporting). When Pat Gelsinger (CEO at the time) suggested stopping dividends for a year to invest in extra Foundry things, he was sacked by the board within a week. Those extra billions might have turned the company around, as it is, well it will limp along...

            Thames Water has paid out 100's of millions of dollars in dividends since being privatised. That's money that should have gone into investment. A Utility should never have money taken out of it, the money should always stay in for upgrades and improvements. A private Utility will never achieve that!

    2. SundogUK Silver badge

      While all UK parties are jumping on the AI bandwagon, Labour are far more invested than Reform are.

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Reform couldn't win a seat at a furniture factory tombola without AI slopaganda..

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Not that I am advocating for them, but use sea-water to cool in the same way marine propulsion does. Problem sorted.

      1. Excused Boots Silver badge

        Trouble with seawater, is that it is salty, and hence corrosive.

  2. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    Britain will not be an 'AI' superpower

    Electricity costs are just way too expensive.

    1. hoola Silver badge

      Re: Britain will not be an 'AI' superpower

      Maybe if less was diverted to pointless AI datacentres it would be cheaper for those that actually need it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Britain will not be an 'AI' superpower

        … or based on expensive gas often sitting on standby as backup.

        Scotland is self sufficient in green electricity, and only has 1 remaining gas fired by power station in Peterhead. The whole nation paying UK- wide electricity rates seems unfair. Esp. As excess is shipped to England and Northern Ireland.

  3. Goodwin Sands Bronze badge

    Riddle me this ..

    If Britain wants to be an AI superpower why does it think it needs to host the data centres?

    Surely the real prize is attracting the people who build the models and the companies that employ them. To do that Britain needs to be an attractive place to live and work. It needs a competitive tax regime, excellent law and order, good healthcare, affordable housing, strong universities, vibrant culture, etc.

    Get those fundamentals right and the AI sector will flourish along with plenty of other high value industries.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Riddle me this ..

      "excellent law and order, good healthcare, affordable housing, strong universities, vibrant culture" - everywhere with these social advantages has a high rate of tax. Indeed, there's a direct correlation between high tax rates and happiness. You're just gullible and greedy and so believe the opposite to be true.

      1. SkippyBing

        Re: Riddle me this ..

        Singapore and its 24% top tax rate says hi.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Riddle me this ..

          You get more annual.leave by law in the UK than Singapore, and you also have to pay for healthcare there. Also, I suggest you look into the cost of owning a car there Vs the UK, although I'd rely on the excellent public transport if I lived there.

          1. SundogUK Silver badge

            Re: Singapore

            The health system isn't expensive for locals and has better outcomes than the NHS;

            Cars are unnecessary and are a pure status symbol.

            The real issue in Singapore is housing costs.

          2. SkippyBing

            Re: Riddle me this ..

            Why would you own a car in Singapore?

            Healthcare is excellent and is paid for via a mandatory medical savings account with the Government covering any shortfalls. Which all in all sounds like a better system than in the UK.

            Minimum annual leave limits are like minimum wages, only an issue if you're not in a position to negotiate for better.

  4. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Coat

    They could pump the water from the rivers…

    but then they would have to remove the shit.

    Might as well tap straight into the sewerage system. Would be rather apt: shit in - shit out.

    Who would have thought it "Flushing for Britain" could help make it an "AI superpower."

    "Loose shits sink MIPS."

  5. Jamie Jones Silver badge
    FAIL

    Disappointing

    Disappointing to hear the government has fallen for the AI hype.

    Still, the bubble will have burst long before they actually do anything about it!

    1. IGotOut Silver badge

      Re: Disappointing

      Not before we've spent a billion or two on "consultants".

      1. SundogUK Silver badge

        Re: Disappointing

        Environmental protection lawyers will have their piece of flesh first.

  6. rh16181618190224
    Flame

    Cooling towers

    Why not use cooling towers? Traditionally this was the way to remove heat without abstracting too much river water. Or, put the data centers on the coast, and use sea water coolant.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Cooling towers

      Salt water causes severe corrosion, leaves clogging mineral deposits, and conducts electricity dangerously if leaks occur.

      Cooling towers are the worst for water usage - their entire purpose is to evaporate water!

  7. Tron Silver badge

    We are way behind on reservoir construction.

    We need a new law - Corporate Treason. Those running the utilities that took our money and did not build reservoirs with it, stuffing it in the pockets of themselves and shareholders should all be in prison.

    1. SkippyBing

      Re: We are way behind on reservoir construction.

      And I assume a similar law for all the councils that refused planning permission? Which was all the ones that were asked.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: We are way behind on reservoir construction.

        ... then they should refuse to add customers. There is still no excuse for oversubscribing.

        1. SkippyBing

          Re: We are way behind on reservoir construction.

          They don't really have a choice under UK law.

    2. hoola Silver badge

      Re: We are way behind on reservoir construction.

      The financial companies that loaned all the money are where the buck stops.

      Silver Point Capital and Elliott Asset Management effectively control Thames Water. They bought debt, ramped up the debt, took the dividends and the interest payments and are not going to hold the Government to ransom.

      If they just shut Thames Water down and closed the doors turning everything off like a normal failed business what is going to happen?

      I give it less than an hour before the Government caves in. They know it which is why big (mostly foreign) money should never ever have been allowed near UK utilities.

      Basically we are screwed and the lenders continue to laugh.

      Now factor in that the Government is proposing to partner with outfits like this to use pension funds to invest in infrastructure. It is just insane.

    3. Will Godfrey Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: We are way behind on reservoir construction.

      It's worse than that. One of the first things they did was shut down {cough} unnecessary {cough} land and infrastructure.

  8. IGotOut Silver badge

    Not completing at all.

    The AI centre can use a billion litres a month, us peasants will just have to put up with hosepipe bans from March till October.

    1. Pigeon Post
      Unhappy

      Re: Not completing at all.

      More like a dribble from taps...

    2. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Re: Not completing at all.

      Easy solution - any time there is a hosepipe ban the bit barn has to shut down

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    From the examples I've seen many of the planned UK data centres are being planned in unsustainable locations which have neither a good electrical supply nor an adequate cooling water supply.

    E.g. this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w20zxydjko

    Another UK government shambles.

  10. James O'Shea Silver badge

    Errr

    I was under the impression that Britain is an island, totally surrounded by lots and lots and lots of water. To be sure, it's _salt_ water, but there's an easy fix: massive desalination plants powered by the continual jaw-jaw-jawing in Parliament. Why, then the problem would be to limit the intake, or they'd drain the North Sea... Think of all the jobs which would become available... and the excess salt is sure to have something valuable in it! We can make Britain a world power again!

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It isn't just about the water consumption, It's electricity consumption. Air, water and noise pollution. It is also detrimental to animals and insects, this includes farm animals and our lovely bees. Why on earth would we want these US data centres in our country? China was stopped from building wind turbines due to National security concerns yet the US who are currently causing issues globally and really can't be trusted can build AI data centres and ruin our country. The people need to say No to this.

  12. NetMage

    Things that have limited or no elasticity in supply like water and electricity should have rates that increase as you use more rather than decrease.

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