Raspberry Pi goes large with 10.1-inch Touch Display 2

Raspberry Pi has supersized its Touch Display 2 with a new 10.1-inch model aimed at dashboards, entertainment systems, and other projects that need more room for prodding. The panel is designed for use cases such as touch-enabled information displays. This is the big brother to the 5-inch and 7-inch variants, with a resolution …

[JessicaRabbit]

Bit of an odd choice to make this touchscreen but not waterproof. If you expect people, especially the public, to be touching it it's not unreasonable to also expect that it might get liquids spilled on it.

[Gene Cash]

Well with a bare Pi on the back, it's still not going to fare well with water.

[hammarbtyp]

Nice screen, won't get one

since Raspberry Pi 5's are increasingly priced out of normal usage, it feels a little moot

[Will Godfrey]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

Exactly. The whole Raspberry Pi environment is moving away from its original concept.

[Dan 55]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

Your obligatory reminder with each RPi story that you can still buy the older Raspberry Pis at their older prices (RAMocalypse allowing, even DDR2's going up now).

[lordminty]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

While true, this screen won't work with the older Pis.

[that one in the corner]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

Your obligatory reminder that *this* screen is not part of its original concept. You can still get plenty of other screens, even some connecting via DSI.

[Dan 55]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

It will work with the RPi 4 compute module though.

[Gene Cash]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

Sure... I was upset at that too, because I only use 3B+ boards, but at least it's a real technical reason instead of just "marketing says fuck you"

[Moonshine]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

If you allow for inflation and the RAM prices, the 2GB RPi 5 would be about the same as the original PI in 2012 (Original RPi $35 would be $51 today), vs $65 for a RPI 5 2GB today

[doublelayer]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

While that difference per board isn't a lot in absolute terms, a 27.5% difference is not generally considered "about the same".

[werdsmith]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

Then buy a Pi 4 still $35 so effectively cheaper and far more power than the original (add 4x cores, 4x RAM, WiFi, Bluetooth etc.

Or buy a pi Zero 2 for $20, again far more than the original.

Or a Pico for a fiver.

Sick of hearing that all Pis have become expensive from short-thought whingers.

[doublelayer]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

That argument works better. I don't have the objections others do to the prices we currently have. I must admit that, as tedious as those complaints can get, the formulaic and sometimes incorrect defenses they usually engender aren't that pleasing to me either. Everyone has the price list and can come to their own opinions, so comments claiming or implying that someone's wrong because they're mistaken about a price being higher or lower are nearly always incorrect.

[IGotOut]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

Hold on where is the obligatory

"for the price of this and a RPi 5 you could by a 2nd hand (insert item here)"

[werdsmith]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

The price of the Raspberry Pi is the same as the price at launch in 2012 + the cost of optional additional RAM.

[Moonshine]

Re: Nice screen, won't get one

27.5% price increase can be accounted for by RAM inflation, which is what I am trying to say :)

[ScottishYorkshireMan]

Since the IPO by any chance?

Before the IPO the Pi was the sweetheart of the hobbyist.

Since the IPO, it does seem that money is the more important over the original concept. Anyone surprised?

[lordminty]

Re: Since the IPO by any chance?

They were fine after the IPO until the AI Tech Bros caused the GPU, RAM, SSD and HDD supply crisis.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Since the IPO by any chance?

Which they are themselves fuelling with their latest "AI Projects with Raspberry Pi" publication.. Which follows another round of encouraging lusers to install OpenClaw without the comprehensive warnings which should come with that.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Since the IPO by any chance?

Since the IPO, it does seem that money is the more important over the original concept. Anyone surprised?

Not I. This is a perfect case of the three step process

1. Serve individuals,

2. Serve businesses,

3. Serve shareholders.

https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

An IPO usually correlates with the start of step three.

Covid was the start of two.

[werdsmith]

Re: Since the IPO by any chance?

4. trigger natural born whingers.

[Sproggit]

Priorities?

I find this development interesting not because the foundation have now produced a 10-inch touch screen, but because of what they're *not* spending their available effort on.

It isn't just the cost of the Pi range that continues to climb without limit, but the power consumption and TDP that goes along with each new model released.

There aren't many nice things I could say about Intel these days, but one genuine note of appreciation I'd offer them is their steadfast consistency in the production of lower-powered CPUs at known, predictable TDP thresholds - like the 35W and 65W models we see in every range - like the 14900T [which, health warning, has a default TDP at 35W but can boost up to 106W under max turbo loads].

I have a hunch that many people using Pi hardware have as much of a challenge cooling their machines as anything else. So - bearing in mind how long the machines have been in production - it would be really, *really* nice if they would be willing to offer to produce a Pi 3C and a 4C, which deliver the same processing performance as the current "B" models, but, by being built with the latest-generation processors, do it with a worthwhile reduction in heat output.

Honestly - and I'm not just saying that because: heatwave - I'd much, much rather have lower-power machines than something like this. When it comes to peripherals, the foundation is competing with dozens of resellers. It would be nice if they would stick to their core competence and bring us cooler-running models. I feel obliged to caveat/qualify this statement...

Currently the only way I'm aware of getting e.g. Pi4B performance at "lower thermal cost" is in fact to buy a comparable Pi 5 and then underclock it to bring the power consumption down. The A76 in a Pi5, for example, runs natively at 2.4GHz and is a massive upgrade over the 1.5GHz (or 1.8GHz in later machines) offered by the 4B. A Pi 5 clocked at 1.8GHz drops it's typical thermal output down from 12W to 7-9W and you still get a slight performance edge thanks to a newer die design.

The catch? Being able to justify buying a Pi 5 when you only need the performance of a 4B...

[retiredFool]

Re: Priorities?

You overlook that pi-org is also doing things like the pico and pico2 which are at the other end of the spectrum. I think pico's if you buy just their chip is 2 bucks. Want a board, 4 bucks, and the board can be soldered directly to another.

[Sproggit]

Re: Priorities?

A Pico is an amazing piece of technology - and represents good value for money given the price point.

But a Pico is an entirely different class of device compared with even a 3B or 3B+, never mind a 4B or 5. It would probably be more reasonable to compare a Pico with [or at least put it in the same general tech category] as the microcontrollers like the Arduino. If you look at the most popular projects for a Pico, then you'll find them being used for robotics and general (DC Servo) motor control [classic microcontroller application], model railways [classic microcontroller application], programmable macro keypads and specialist input devices [microcontroller] and even custom gamepads.

What you don't find for the Pico are the sort of general compute projects for which the Pi is such a perfect fit - a family mail or web or private (e.g. NextCloud) server.

So I can't dispute your observation that a Pico is a potent and competitively priced piece of technology... but that potency and price are sadly meaningless if it doesn't provide the general compute capabilities of something like a Pi.

You've given us a chalk-and-cheese comparison. Your argument in favour of a Pico is valid for the niche it services, but not as a Pi replacement.

[retiredFool]

Re: Priorities?

Ah but the pico is their chip. The pi's are all broadcom chips on their boards. I'm expecting at some point for pi people to make the jump into their own ARM chip processor or maybe RISC5. The pico2 is a dual architecture chip with arm or risc5 instructions. I'd be pretty delighted if I could get a raspberry pi-6 which was not a broadcom based part given the way broadcom behaves.

[werdsmith]

Re: Priorities?

There has to be a limit to how much Raspberry Pi can flog the life out of that SOC which has its origins before 2010.

They have managed to add cores, get it down to a 28nm process and with recent D0 have cut out chunks of unnecessary logic. But I feel they have squeezed as much out of it as possible and from now on only marginal improvements will be possible, whilst there is still no sleep or very low power mode and it still gets warm a bit too easily.