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The global memory crisis has developed a new twist as buyers turn to "legacy" products such as DDR2 and DDR3 to meet demand, according to market watcher TrendForce. The Taiwanese firm says DRAM buyers are turning to older products to secure larger supply allocations, driving up prices for components including DDR2 and DDR3. As …

  1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    "it is likely this applies to other kinds of device"

    They are likely to be single board computers like the Raspberry Pi, where makers are choosing older boards in preference to paying the extortionate prices asked for top of the range, with manufacturers increasing their production of those boards. Makers will often choose more memory than they need when it is just a few dollars extra, as it's always better to have more than not enough. That ship has long sailed.

    Embedded manufacturers of consumer products, who design their own boards, are probably also opting for older memory to keep their costs down, their sales and profits up.

    There are consumers who will have bought older PCs and laptops and have set about expanding memory.

    AI couldn't have taken off at a worse time with most of the world facing cost of living crises.

    1. CountCadaver Silver badge

      Re: "it is likely this applies to other kinds of device"

      Disaster capitalism 101 - Invent a crisis and keep making things worse and worse

      1. Fred Daggy Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Crisis, what crisis?

        Wile E. Coyote would like a word:

        1 - Invent crisis

        2 - Raise prices

        3 - ???

        4 - Profit

        The ??? is wait, obviously.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "it is likely this applies to other kinds of device"

      I think ARM, Apple just need to say bollocks to the memory makers and their boom and bust madness. As with Apple’s M Processors bake the memory on the CPU die. That needs to expand to cover perhaps Apple’s A Processors and ARM’s designs.

      Most people really don’t need more than 16Gb (noted MacBook Neo at 8Gb).

      A second gen MacBook Neo on a M2 ‘Neo processor’ (8-16Gb) baked in for example.

      —-

      Perhaps it’s an opportunity for SoftRAM or RAM Doubler to come back from the dead ;-)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "it is likely this applies to other kinds of device"

        >Most people really don’t need more than 16Gb

        Bill Gates, is that you?

    3. wolfetone Silver badge

      Re: "it is likely this applies to other kinds of device"

      "There are consumers who will have bought older PCs and laptops and have set about expanding memory."

      Me. Sort of.

      I need to replace a HP Proliant N40L at home and need more RAM and storage options. Ended up with an Intel board of some description rocking DDR3 memory.

      32GB for £25 off of eBay at the beginning of the year. North of £50 now currently on eBay.

  2. Sparkus

    And here I am....

    Having bought a 64Gb lpcamm2-9400 module on speculation because my expected laptop purchase next month will be able to use it......

  3. Mikerahl

    Now I'm debating selling my 3 year old desktop with 64gb RAM to profit off the high ram prices on the used market. Outside of gaming, i don't use the desktop much.

    1. Jimjam3 Bronze badge

      I’m glad I upgraded my 2 computers RAM to 32G & 40G respectively, 3 years ago. Couldn’t see myself doing it now.

    2. Notas Badoff

      Bring out your dead, urr, passing on, umm...

      Is there a used memory market? I've just 'processed' some old PCs that a friend wanted destroyed, smashed the disks, but he hadn't thought about the memory. I've saved the sticks out, but wonder what to do with them. If they can be sold, more money for him, and he needs the money.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Bring out your dead, urr, passing on, umm...

        A couple of years ago I threw out 96 sticks of ECC dimms from a rack of servers we retired.

        I thought they would be useful but nobody wanted them because they only go in the sort of kit that come with support contracts and official suppliers

        1. Roland6 Silver badge

          Re: Bring out your dead, urr, passing on, umm...

          A colleague gave me a tirade about using secondhand memory in laptops etc. carefully overlooking or special casing their taking memory from systems they were scrapping and reusing it in other operation systems they owned…

          My personal experience with secondhand RAM is: if it fires up and passes the “normal” memory tests, it is as good/reliable as memory of similar age purchased new; just don’t skimp the initial test (my failure rate is circa 5%). CeX have replaced/refunded all memory that has failed in this way (ie. Within 10 days of purchase), I’ve not had cause to explore their 1 year guarantee.

      2. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: Bring out your dead, urr, passing on, umm...

        There is, but it's not organized. People do buy used memory on eBay, and if you search there, you can find what others are selling. Price yours near the low end for the size and speed of the sticks you have, a lot of those are people who set something ridiculous in the hope that someone would think it isn't.

        This mostly depends on what kind of RAM we're talking about. If these are 4 GB desktop DDR3, it's probably not enough to make a difference. 16 GB DDR4 or anything larger or newer is probably worth it. You may have some success selling them inside the computers if you still have them. People who need the parts can handle the rest of them or ask you to split them out.

        1. Roland6 Silver badge

          Re: Bring out your dead, urr, passing on, umm...

          I would also look on CeX noting both their sale and trade-in prices.

          As double layer notes, the larger (16GB and larger) and faster memory modules can command an significant price premium.

          I see the DDR modules I purchased in Sept 2025 are now being sold for nearly x4 the price I paid..

  4. tango_uniform

    DDR3 prices are climbing quickly

    I'm wrapping up a telecom server build that uses some pretty old software images. DDR3 ECC sticks on the open market are now going for double+ what they were a year ago. Older Xeon processors are also getting scarce as people like me, who don't need AI-class compute, scrounge for stuff that'll just work.

    One of the saving graces of the older RAM and CPU might be that they use older imaging nodes so can be made on older fab lines. Hopefully, lines that aren't too busy cranking out support silicon for the newest and best motherboards.

  5. MachDiamond Silver badge

    I found an older iMac on sale locally for $50 and thought I'd pick it up to use in the workshop. The cost to upgrade the RAM was the deal killer unless I can find what I need in my RAM box. The cost to replace the spinning rust with a basic SSD was also off the hook. Maybe I'll still get it, but I need RAM so I can run MacOS, Windows and Linux at the same time. I don't have the room in the workshop to have lots of computers like there is in my office.

    1. Loudon D'Arcy

      Used memory modules

      Mach, I don't know which country you're in, but here in the UK, we have a used electronics store called CeX which sells used memory modules cheaply...

      https://uk.webuy.com/search?stext=DDR3

      Maybe there's something similar where you are?

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Used memory modules

        "Maybe there's something similar where you are?"

        eTailing has killed the local shops so if there's a place like that near me, I have no idea it's there. What I will sometimes do is find what other computers use the same RAM and find one being sold for scrap to see if it has the RAM I want installed. I'm a massive packrat so I have a box of Dimms (and Simms) although it's not well organized so it's chore to go through looking for something specific. Probably a good winter storm day project if I have any extra round 'tuits".

  6. 45RPM Silver badge

    For a moment I had a little panic, worrying that the price of 8bit, 16bit and 32bit SIMMs was going to skyrocket!

    1. James 139

      Sadly my sticks of 128MB SDR DRAM still aren't worth anything much :(

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "Sadly my sticks of 128MB SDR DRAM still aren't worth anything much :("

        That's why I have a tub full of RAM. It's not worth the effort to put it up for sale and a c-ton fits in a fairly small box.

  7. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge

    Where to sell?

    Like others I have a box full of various DDR3 sticks, prolly 256GB or so in total.

    There should be a marketplace for the desperate.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Where to sell?

      CeX - but that’s UK only…

  8. kappie

    Pop little bubble, pop!

    I can't wait for this AI and crypto mining fueled data centre growth bubble to burst.

    1. intrigid

      Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

      Hot take: The "AI bubble" is basically a myth. Decades from now, we'll look back at AI today the way we look back at PCs and video games in 1980, or automobiles in the 1920s.

      Short-term froth and overvaluations, yes. We could easily see a 50% collapse/correction in stock valuations, maybe lasting a couple of years. But the popular opinion that the entire industry is going to collapse and be abandoned as some failed and pointless experiment is just about as delusional as an opinion can get.

      1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

        Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

        Is that the popular opinion?

        The bubble is the fact that several hundred billion dollars has so far been poured into it based mostly on hype, promises and desperation. The technology can't do most of what its salespeople and boosters would have you believe it can do, the companies doing the "AI" still haven't figured out how to make it profitable, most of that money simply gets turned into entropy and depreciation (as opposed to useful infrastructure) and those investors will want a return someday. The bubble bursts when the money hose is turned off and everyone's left standing around counting their losses. It isn't a commentary on the technology itself, merely the wild disconnect between the hopes and dreams people are attaching to it and reality.

        1. Richard 12 Silver badge
          Mushroom

          Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

          The only related company with a paper profit is nVidia - and they've made huge loans to their own customers.

          Excluding nVidia, since 2022 approximately 1200 billion USD has been spent, for 135 billion in revenue.

          Revenue, and thus average prices, need to go up by roughly an order of magnitude simply to break even on the existing borrowing - let alone the new borrowing.

          It seems unlikely that any customers would pay that. None of the organisations I'm aware of would multiply their AI spend by ten, they're already starting to worry about their existing RoI.

          The only reason it hasn't burst already is because the biggers ones are lending to each other. That generally indicates that the whole room is going to come down.

          There will be rapid consolidation, and a couple will survive - but the ongoing retraining costs of the larger models are so high that they are likely to freeze in place. Whether that will be enough for sufficient future revenue to cover large inferencing remains to be seen.

          The smaller models will remain.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

            .. which also need do not extra nuclear or howling gas generator power plants to operate.

            I can see that side effect coming to bite the whole AI business in the rear end pretty soon. People who are finally starting to feel the inevitable effect of Trump's shenanigans in their wallet are not going to react with enthusiasm to an extra tax via their power bill from which they do not benefit, nor to attempts to screw over their living environment.

          2. wolfetone Silver badge

            Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

            The funding has dried up. There are no more investors really around to pump money in to this, as they've already done that.

            The massive infrastructure/bit barn buildings they've broken ground on are slowing down to a halt. Various sites have had work stop on them for various reasons.

            The next avenue is IPOs but SpaceX is already sinking. So I don't think OpenAI or Anthropic are looking forward to it because, really, they have no choice other than to go public with it.

            Until then they will continue this circular economy but at some point even that money is going to run out when real bills fall that need to be paid with real money to someone outside of the circular economy.

            1. Roland6 Silver badge

              Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

              >” The funding has dried up. There are no more investors really around to pump money in to this, as they've already done that.”

              Plus the investment leaders are getting themselves ready for the next hype wagon: quantum computing”…

        2. bernmeister
          FAIL

          Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

          I have a feeling that bubble will not be allowed to burst even if AI never lives up to its promise. With so much invested players will be forced to keep it going much like a mummified Guru.

      2. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

        I'll agree with that a bit. There are at least some people who believe, probably more because they want it to be true than that they think it is, that the unprofitability of AI will be so extreme that it crashes out of existence and we can all go back to not having to clean up from bad LLM junk anymore. These people are wrong, since no matter how unprofitable the big models are, there are lots of small models which are cheap to run. The software and its users will stick around in a similar form, bubble or no bubble.

        But I disagree with the only frothy market correction prediction. LLMs face a pricing problem that none of the things you're comparing them to did. They face an absolute cost problem (training cost) and a marginal cost problem (inference cost). It's often practical to find a solution to one of those if the product is in demand, but both is a challenge that PCs and cars didn't have to face. Existing LLM companies used venture capital and funding from big tech as though they were normal tech companies, which means they acted like absolute cost was their only limitation, and this year has shown several examples of marginal cost being so high that they can't maintain that strategy anymore. Microsoft, which has billions to throw at something, couldn't justify continuing to subsidize that product (as much, there's suggestions that they're still doing it to smooth the plunge from functionally unlimited to true cost). If you want a parallel, I suggest you consider railroads. Some of them were and remained profitable and they changed history by existing, but the crashes were hard and many of the participants lost badly and permanently.

        1. Richard 12 Silver badge

          Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

          Railroads are an interesting comparison.

          Most of them ceased to exist.

          The railroads that survived did so because while their construction costs were astronomical, you can often operate a well-built railroad for almost nothing for quite a long time - before something expensive breaks (and people die, but that didn't seem to matter). That gave some of the fire-sale purchasers enough time to build up reserves to back the repairs.

          The ones that needed expensive repairs quickly did not survive.

          Either way, the human cost was often high.

          The US railroad boom arguably ended the US Gold Standard bringing in the fiat dollar, and the bust had massive worldwide economic effects, way beyond the USA.

          1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

            Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

            I'm not sold on the railroad analogy. If (or when) an LLM company goes bust the only infrastructure it leaves behind will be e-waste in a few years at the most.

            1. mike.dee

              Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

              Neither I'm not sold on the railroad analogy. A railroad is expensive to build, but also the maintenance has fixed costs, and it's the same for tollways and motorways.

              What killed the railroad were political decisions to help bus transport and private car companies and penny pinching measures that made the rail service not competitive.

              Data center in my opinion are more like malls and shopping centers. Twenty years ago projects for new mall were popping up everywhere, normally they were with big parking lots and near motorway exits. Sometimes there were big protests because the public authority vetoed the construction, for those fussy reasons like "swamp area" "area prone to landslide" "in line with an airport runway".

              Over the years projects for shopping mail vanished and some of them are becoming dead malls, some had pats of them never opened to public.

              Now it's time again for data centers, and quite amusing is that a company is thinking to build a data center near the airport near the runway end. Of course because a failed pull up it's a rare event and it happened there twice, it will never happens again and computer are ok with the noise of jets taking off.

              1. doublelayer Silver badge

                Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

                I was referring to earlier rail booms in the 1800s, and it wasn't competition with motorways that caused those problems. It was the reaction of people who saw a new technology and assumed more construction would always be more profitable. More recent rail projects had a number of problems, but it was no longer a speculation boom and thus I was not considering them in the comparison.

              2. Roland6 Silver badge

                Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

                >” and computer are ok with the noise of jets taking off.”

                But not necessarily with the vibration from the low frequency sound waves…

            2. doublelayer Silver badge

              Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

              Remember that the analogy was about stock market activity, not everything they did. But the infrastructure analogy isn't as different as you're claiming. A railroad that built in a bad location didn't leave behind something that someone would take over, they left stuff that would have been used in a different place but was too expensive to retrieve and move to where someone else would use it, so most of that did not get reused.

              1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

                Re: Pop little bubble, pop!

                Well, I suppose that e-waste does have a scrap value, just like those abandoned and useless railways!

  9. PhilipN Silver badge

    Have drawfuls of old RAM

    as do I suspect many of us here. Wouldn't it be nice if some bright spark starting building boards to plug them all in.

    1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

      Re: Have drawfuls of old RAM

      The problem is that most of the RAM I have in my drawer tops out at 2GB sticks. Everything that I have that is larger is actually still in systems.

      And a lot of it is 128-512MB sticks that are essentially useless unless I build a system to use legacy software that would run in <2GB (I have very few mobo's that take more than 4 sticks) of memory in total. And most of these old mobos use legacy Core or (contemporary AMD) processors, seriously limiting what I can run.

      Even the systems I am building as firewalls or utility systems (mostly small form-factor systems) are ending up with 4GB minimum.

  10. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Windows

    And here I was thinking their asking …

    AUD15.00 per piece 8GB ECC DDR3L RDIMM that "they were dreaming."

    Perhaps not.

    I have an old dual xeon box that could do with this stuff but has to be 16Gb parts (x4) (I got some a few years ago for less than AUD100.00 for 64Gb.)

    † AU cultural reference (The Castle)

  11. ICL1900-G3 Silver badge

    Good grief!

    As I approach my 9th decade, more and more often I'm convinced the whole world is run by morons.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Good grief!

      I'm in my sixth decade and I often wonder "What the hell were they thinking/doing".

      Maybe there are less people that quietly listen, gather facts and then make decisions based on verifiable facts.

      Case in point, a certain U.S. president that can't seem to S.T.F.U. If ever there was anybody that carefully selected their words before they spoke, he isn't one of them.

      I'm also sick and tired of political ideology, left/right, tired of religion. Perhaps I'm just getting older and see it as wasted time.

      Every situation is different and the pros and cons should be weighed up on their own merits. Sometimes public ownership makes sense sometimes not.

      Sometimes AI works, sometimes it fails spectacularly.

      What worries me more about AI is that it is taking over more difficult human thought processes and perhaps making people dumber because they don't need to practise those thoughts skills.

      Programming can sometimes be hard to get right and requires a great deal of thought and planning.

      But here we here using AI to write software that the person writing the prompts is either too lazy or being pressured not to write themselves. And because AI generates the code so quick with little effort and often buggy, few humans want to spend their time fixing it for little credit. After all the person submitting their buggy masterpiece gets all the credit.

      I can see lots of discarded pull requests that are AI generated because the original prompter can't be bothered to test it and equally spend ages fixing it because fixing it requires thinking. Nobody else wants to spend their valuable time fixing and testing the PR submitted by somebody else who spent 2hrs AI generating the code and gets the credit.

      AI will find it's niche but not before vasts amounts of resources have been used and unnecessary damage has been done.

  12. Luiz Abdala Silver badge
    Trollface

    Memory was never cheap.

    Back in the day, I was already on the Pentium 4 (and DDR2?), and wanted to boost an old Pentium 1st gen with enough memory to let it keep chugging as a printer server or linux whatever. IIRC 72MB of paired EDO RAM ought to do it for a machine that came with FOUR megabytes, again iirc.

    I had to import it from Santa Clara, California at extortionate prices, plus shipping and import fees. Only mass scale made the components cheaper. They were never cheap themselves.

    Going back to DDR whatever will still mean extortionate prices, because no scale.

    1. Sp1z

      Re: Memory was never cheap.

      I remember quite a few decades ago my dad paying £450 for a 16MB (yes mega, not giga) SIMM. Oof.

  13. Rogerborg 2.0
    Facepalm

    I'll come back when you have none

    Pity poor Valve, who committed to their Steam Machine on the quaint old premise that a bulk order of RAM and chips would get you a discount. Now they're finding out that delivery comes at a premium, and instead of PC Master Race specs at near console prices, they've got a four-figure last-gen PC running KDE gnulux. Is it too early to say "3DO 2.0"?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    When does this memory pricing insanity end?

    1. Someone Else Silver badge

      When the bubble bursts (see threads above).

      1. Richard 12 Silver badge

        Some time after it bursts

        The fabs have mostly switched to making HBM and server-class RAM. The desktop/laptop and embedded (eg TV) platforms mostly can't use it.

        It'll take some time for the fabs to switch back once the bubble pops. Consumer GPUs might benefit from excess HBM for a short time, but probably not much and certainly not for very long.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    When I started in the late 80's

    A 72 pin 80/60ns non ECC SIMM was £40 a MB from local (50 miles away) computer fair, which was the cheapest source of computer gear around.

    My first new PC was 486DX 20Mhz with 4MB and a 40MB IDE drive and floppy, cost me £2000 odd, that's £5700 in today's money.

  16. Anonymous John

    I've got a ZX81 in the loft.

    1. Maurice Mynah
      Windows

      Hah! Johnny-come-ULAtely!

      I've got a ZX80 somewhere. All good old TTL soldered together with an Antex.

      If you thought the ZX81 keyboard was bad, well it was a step up from the ZX80...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Get a new toothbrush now

    Micron made the agreement few days ago with NIVDIA for NOR flash and suddenly all their NOR is disappearing fom retail shelves.

    other RAM for embedded like EMMC, SD card have gone 500% up and getting scarce.

    everything with an MCU uses RAM, so is time starting hoarding toothbrushes and other stuff that use flash RAM before they become scarce, and very expensive in the coming years, only affordable luxury market for people with cash.

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