Anthropic urges Uncle Sam to kneecap China's AI ambitions before 2028

AI monger Anthropic wants America and its allies to tighten measures aimed at curbing China's AI progress, warning of the consequences if "authoritarian governments" take the lead rather than Uncle Sam. In a lengthy missive posted on its website, the San Francisco-based org says it expects AI to deliver "transformational …

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

In other news

McDonald's demanded a ban on exports of hamburgers to China, warning of a threat to American mealtimes if China developed their own cuisine

[Fruit and Nutcase]

Re: In other news

Definitely. It won't do when you're deep into an all-night posting session on sociopath media and your local McDonalds can't fulfill your order for a Big Mac and diet Coke

[Empire of the Pussycat]

A bit late

The right time to control LLM-based AI was at its inception, killing it with fire and making it clear that'd also be the fate of anyone having another go..

[John F Jennings]

Re: A bit late

.... Or lets have a Butlarian Jihad. Please. "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind".

With current directions anyway, who says the US or any western democracy would be able to set the AI framework any better than the Chinese?

[Juha Meriluoto]

Yeah, it would be bad if AI got into hands of a government summarily jailing and killing its citizens and attacking sovereign states with no real reason... Oh wait...

[EricM]

Digital sovereignty in Europe

does need more that European AI models.

- fully local hosting of storage and classic compute with local security/access authority at somewhat competitive cost and functionality.

- politicians who understand, that just continuing to buy the "sovereign" flavor from Microsoft, Google or Amazon won't cut it.

- public purchasing rules that do not enforce the commercially lowest bidder.

As for AI: As the commercial trend seems to develop in the direction of running smaller, more efficient models locally, so Open Models have a natural strategic advantage over remote-only models from Anthropic and OpenAI and Meta also went fully closed with version 4.

This leaves Mistral, several Chinese AI offerings and Google in the race for sovereign, locally hosted, stand-alone AI implementations.

[elsergiovolador]

Re: Digital sovereignty in Europe

Europe does not have serious chip and adjacent tech making industry. When the push comes to shove, where Europe will source chips from? The US says no, China says no. Only chips Europe will be getting will be British with the fish.

Politicians live in gated estates, cushioned, away from the real world. They couldn't care less about sovereignty. It's just a cool bandwagon to be on. If something happens, the private jet will be waiting.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Digital sovereignty in Europe

It's not a question of where the chips come from.

Nobody is entirely sovereign for their chips, without Dutch machinery built with German glass in Taiwanese factories using Chinese silicon and Japanese chemicals to make the devices.

This is so that when Trump tells Microsoft/Google to cut off all the accounts for a European judge or political party or company they don't like - that customer can at least get email.

[elsergiovolador]

Re: Digital sovereignty in Europe

That's your leverage?

[Filippo]

Re: Digital sovereignty in Europe

OP is talking about software. You're talking about hardware.

Yes, there's significant overlap. Yes, there are some aspects of sovereignty that cannot be had without control of both.

No, they are not the same thing, and answering a post about software with objections about hardware will only generate confusion and communication failures.

[Nate Amsden]

export controls worked?

Want to limit chips? seems they were in fact limited according to Nvidia

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technology/jensen-says-nvidia-now-has-zero-percent-market-share-in-china/ar-AA22hxE0?

(article is about a week old)

"Jensen says Nvidia now has 'zero percent' market share in China"

So surely that must've stopped China dead in their tracks for AI stuff right ?

It seems in many cases China(government at least) does not WANT the western chips, they want to force their citizens to make their own, (in some cases by outright banning Nvidia etc from being used at least in sensitive applications). They seem to be doing a pretty good job catching up though. They also have a huge advantage of being able to develop/deploy stuff like massive amounts of power MUCH faster than anyone in the west could dream of.

And from a manufacturing automation perspective it seems China may be a years/decade ahead of the west.

[Jason Bloomberg]

Re: export controls worked?

It seems to me China were the first big player to realise they needed actual sovereignty and to set about having it.

America deserves most of the credit for that through trying to crush her, thinking China would simply collapse, throw in the towel, curl up and die. America always under estimates her real and perceived enemies. It's an inherent part of American Exceptionalism.

As a westerner, there is plenty to not like about China, but there is no denying they are on the right track, are already beating us in some fields.

[iron]

Re: export controls worked?

Jensen also claims you can't smuggle a GPU because Nvidia chips weigh 2 tonnes!

So not only does he lie, he also talks crap.

[IGotOut]

Translation..

...of you don't give us even more money to keep the hype cycle going then the big scary Reds Under The Bed will win the "race"

It's just the cold war bullshit over again.

[ecofeco]

Re: Translation..

That's exactly what it is.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Translation..

Same with the race back to the moon, it's a dick waving distraction from terrestrial problems

[ecofeco]

Related

https://www.alphaxiv.org/overview/2507.07505v1

Vishal Sikka, former Infosys CEO, Oracle board member, and Stanford PhD who studied under John McCarthy (the man who coined "artificial intelligence"), together with his son, published a paper proving fundamental limits of current AI agents and LLMs.

Using settled computational complexity theory from the 1960s, they show why transformer-based models hit a hard ceiling on computation per token due to self-attention, why hallucinations are mathematically unavoidable for certain tasks, and what this means for agentic AI in 2026.

[amanfromMars 1]

Re: Related

Their work offers a crucial counterpoint to the prevailing enthusiasm around LLM capabilities, particularly in the context of agentic AI systems that rely on LLMs for autonomous decision-making. ..... https://www.alphaxiv.org/overview/2507.07505v1

And whenever SMARTR agentic AI systems are not relying on LLMs for their decisions, autonomously made from intelligence refined with information reformed/rephormed/redefined ?

Is prevailing enthusiasm warranted and worthy/justified and heightened......... and most probably also likely to be extremely disturbing to a terrifying extent to all fearing the truths uncovered and shared by their decisions .... when such novel random and spontaneous conditions exist to grow and create alternative available realities and Live Operational Virtual Environments for colonising with populations?

Or would that be some Internetworking of Things to feared and denied possible as an Alien Invasion/Intervention/Interface whenever clearly becoming ever more evident and undeniable, and attractive and acceptable ?

[ChoHag]

Re: Related

"Rather than relying solely on LLMs for all cognitive tasks ... leveraging LLMs for natural language understanding and generation"

Using a language model to model language! What a novel idea!

[prh99]

Sorry to burst the bubble but the Trump Administration is authoritarian, when they're not being completely incompetent. Take for example, the grand jury tom f*ckery they're pulling with Reddit just to unmask a critic of ICE.

[Anonymous Coward]

Thou shittest me?

American company complaining to US government about authoritarian regimes?

[Will Godfrey]

USA?

Crying because they can't stand competition, so...

UFO

[amanfromMars 1]

Re: USA UFO if you can’t stand the heat in foreign incubator kitchens, fabs and ab fab fabless labs

你滚开 ..... if you want to share it with everyone in China, Will Godfrey, and in familiar mother tongue symbols quite alien to the West. ....... [:-) if Google Translate can be believed and relied upon, that is]

Nice and short and sweet and simple to understand too.

[Will Godfrey]

Re: USA UFO if you can’t stand the heat in foreign incubator kitchens, fabs and ab fab fabless labs

Well, No. I'm not Chinese, so to attempt to take a Chinese Name would be an insult to both Chinese people and to my English Parents.

P.S. I didn't downvote you.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: USA UFO if you can’t stand the heat in foreign incubator kitchens, fabs and ab fab fabless labs

> to attempt to take a Chinese Name would be an insult to both Chinese people and to my English Parents.

Why would that be? It might sound a bit weird but that's all.

Most Chinese who have to deal with westerners take a "Western" name.

And if your actual name is Will and was given to you by your English parents… well, it's a German name (means something like "willing/determined guardian"), and most people in the West have Semitic names anyway, despite being neither Muslim, nor Jewish, nor Samaritan, nor Druze, etc.

Lastly, the whole having a set list of names thing is largely a near and middle East and European thing. In most of the world people's name are freely chosen nouns / adjectives.

In case you wanted to know :)

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: USA UFO if you can’t stand the heat in foreign incubator kitchens, fabs and ab fab fabless labs

"Most Chinese who have to deal with westerners take a "Western" name."

Tired old racist trope.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: USA UFO if you can’t stand the heat in foreign incubator kitchens, fabs and ab fab fabless labs

> Tired old racist trope.

Don't be so stupid, sunshine. I work with them.

[hmijail]

Re: USA?

You don't understand. Competition is alright, it just has to be meritocratic enough for USA rich people to win.

[DLYONS]

pot kettle, look in a mirror

authoritarian governments" take the lead!!!!!

[BartyFartsLast]

it's true

Americans really don't get irony do they

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: it's true

Of course they do! They get bronzy and coppery too.

[druck]

FTFY:

. .warning of the consequences if "authoritarian governments" take the lead rather other than Uncle Sam.

[amanfromMars 1]

Biting off the hand which feeds you and more than you can chew can easily kill you stone dead.

Anthropic urges Uncle Sam to kneecap China's AI ambitions before 2028

That’s a damned foolish thing for the likes of an Anthropic to say and expect Uncle Sams to accept and be able to accomplish whenever such use of shit for brains provocative prose never achieved anything worthy of mention, remembrance or support. And it does more than slightly suggest that it is now AI unleashed and in charge of what the future will bring .... and on terms of its own choosing, or your training if that suits you better as an excuse for the serious and liable to not be a painless dilemma you are likely to find finding yourselves in and battling against in The Troubles ahead.

[Random as if !]

Starmer stopped datacentres

Well , in a way he has , he was caught up in something he did not understand, should have vibe coded it

[VoiceOfTruth]

Proof that Anthropic is a tool of the US regime

Time to add it to the forthcoming 'ban list' in Europe.

[spireite]

China controllable

I'd say that while China was allowed western tech - for example Nvidia - to be in their market, they were actually controllable.

What has happened is that by the West effectively withdrawing western tech from the market, Chinaa has been forced to develop their own inhouse tech, dropping their own reliance on Nvidia and the like.

Now they are in that situation, they are outside of any sphere of outside influence techwise

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: China controllable

And this, gentlemen:

> was allowed western tech

…

> they were actually controllable

Is the kind of delusional bubble westerners live in.

[amanfromMars 1]

Re: China controllable

Is the kind of delusional bubble westerners live in. ....... Anonymous Coward

Yes, AC, it is. Quite mad, isn’t it. What do you think is the cure? Is it curable ..... or is it best and just the case that all one can do is leave them alone and quarantined to fester in the beds of their own insane making?

Would that be a Method possibly to be touted and/or lauded as Chinese Control?