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The KDE project turns 30 in five months, but it already got an early birthday present: €1,285,200 from Germany's Sovereign Tech Fund. That's £1.1 million, or $1.5 million in US bucks. The KDE team already has some ideas about how it will spend it, and the project's thank-you note mentions a few: This is not the first time we …

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Suse

    Can't help feeling if back whenever, Munich had just called Suse, instead of half-arsing it, we might have an official Eu-wide government-approved public sector Linux

    (Except that the French would object and insist on a separate alternative OS where all the commands had accents)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Suse

      I recently read that 73% of Munich's admin workstations are still running Linux.

    2. LionelB Silver badge

      Re: Suse

      No problem, they could just rebrand as Süse.

      1. Jurassic.Hermit

        Re: Suse

        Even Sûsé

    3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Suse

      That would never have worked either because they insisted on trying to put the cart before the horse and force users to learn new GUIs and new programs. The Schleswig-Holstein move has been both greater in scale but gentler and overall more successful.

      Personally, I think the clients are the last things that should be migrated. The real risk is being dependent upon the abomination that is Exchange and forced to use more and more SaaS from Microsoft. Android for desktops is hopefully going to encourage for software to be ported to the format (can easily run on a Linux subsystem regardless of the GUI).

  2. Tron Silver badge

    So...

    ...did it buy the German govt. a backdoor?

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: So...

      From what I've heard, it's hard enough to get wanted features into GCC, never mind the kind of invisible back door created by Kernighan in his "trusting trust" paper. With that, I think the chances of sneaking a back door into Linux are ... Extremely Low ™

      1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

        Re: So...

        It depends what you mean by "Linux". Who knows about the kernel? It's big, it has obscure parts. But let's say it's "clean".

        Nobody runs just the kernel. Any tool that runs as root anywhere along the line could be the target for backdoor. A driver. A package which you download and install as root. The chances of sneaking something in are not extremely low.

        1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

          Re: Nobody runs just the kernel

          That is definitely true. However, if you're running Windows, you're running an environment that is made of Swiss Cheese when it comes to security. Kernel is a word that Redmond still has to come to grips with.

          In the Linux world, the kernel space and the user space are very much seperated. The user can go and run any stupid thing he wants, the kernel will, by and large, remain untouched.

          Delete the user profile and the computer should be secure.

          Of course, as always, there have been a few memorable exceptions to this rule where some very bright hacker managed to circumvent kernel security from user space.

          In the Linux world, it happens about once a decade and is quickly patched.

          In the Windows world, it happens once a week and patches take weeks to come out and they themselves can wreak untold havoc.

          I know what universe I prefer to be in . . .

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: So...

      What's the German word for "governments backdoor into a windowing environment for security reasons" and how long is the word ?

      1. cosmodrome

        Re: So...

        "Betriebssytemsgrundsicherheitsregierungszugang" or if you really insist on the "windowing" bit, "Fensterbetriebssystemregierungssicherheitszugang" which is pretty silly.

        Both words are "fairly long" according to DIN763408809922 Wortlängennorm.

        1. F Seiler

          Re: So...

          BGRZ for short

      2. Jurassic.Hermit

        Re: So...

        Stasi.

      3. Kraft

        Re: So...

        staatliche Hintertür in eine Fenster-/Benutzeroberflächenumgebung aus Sicherheitsgründen

        The challenge isn't the length, but how flexible your tongue is. :-)

  3. Blackjack Silver badge

    I like KDE but I tend to use older machines so I always tend to use something else that can run on weak machines.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      > I like KDE but I tend to use older machines so I always tend to use something else that can run on weak machines.

      I got an angry comment on Reddit to my recent xBuntu remix comparison that may amuse you, then:

      https://old.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1t82yuk/i_compared_the_desktops_ram_disk_usage_of_all_8/olqi814/

      «

      I have some information for you. We have an old machine with KDE in the basement. There is an AMD 4cores+iGPU from 2010 and 2GB DDR2. Do you know how beautifully KDE6 runs on it?

      »

      A quad-core 64-bit box and it can run KDE. Wow. You should be able to model an entire national economy on that, and possibly play Doom while it's doing it.

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    2. MaChatma CoatGPT 2.0
      Gimp

      KDE + weak hardware is doable

      "I like KDE but I tend to use older machines so I always tend to use something else that can run on weak machines."

      For years I ran KDE on an eMachines netbook that was end of life when I bought it in 2009. It was only retired when the key caps kept falling off.

  4. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

    2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

    I sincerely hope that in ten years time we will be able to point to Trump's misrule and the ICC shenanigans and say that was the point when it all started to go wrong for Google, Amazon and Microsoft - and that Palantir will be an historical footnote.

    1. Sam Shore
      Happy

      Re: 2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

      So how do we get Trump to claim ownership of IPv4, forcing the rest of the world to adopt IPv6 just as quickly?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: 2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

        Tell him that the IP addresses are valuable, that they all really below to America and he should seize them and sell them to Musk, "who knows all the computers"

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: 2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

          Below / Belong - damn automangler

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: 2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

          Tell Trump that normal IP numbers only go up to 255:255:255:255 but he can have the biggliest IP numbers all to himself in the range 500:0:0:0 upwards which has been reserved for him to sell to signed-up MAGAs.

      2. Kraft

        Re: 2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

        Tell him the world has been abusing the big beautiful IPv4 for years and that they should pay tarrifs to use it. That it'll bring jobs to the US and that he can take a majority stake in the company behind IPv4. Then adopt IPv6 and unplug IPv4.

    2. Arnaaril

      Re: 2036 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop!

      God willing!

  5. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    Wouldn't it be nice..

    If they dropped €500M and said: make an EU desktop and server combo.

    I mean make an EU standard platform. Then adopt it.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Wouldn't it be nice..

      If you can get open source devs to all agree on tabs/spaces then getting 27 Eu countries to all pick a single window manager should be a doddle

      1. collinsl Silver badge

        Re: Wouldn't it be nice..

        Why do they have to agree? Why not have options? After all, you can get spins of lots of OS builds, so why not have spins of OS builds for government?

        In fact, why not have a lot of desktop options in the install and let the user pick?

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Wouldn't it be nice..

          A million civil servants across Europe all build their own computers and choose their own OS/Window system ?

          Might mean you have to hire 2 BOFHs to make it all work together

  6. Bitsminer

    cwm forever!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Cwm forever?

      Does it have a Plaid background?

      1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Cwm forever?

        Only if you run it on a fast enough system.

  7. Jeff3171351982

    By Toutatis!

    I just ordered Asterix in Lusitania from overseas in order to get the book in standard large format because here in Microsoft country it's only 7.5 x 9 inches?!

    These publishers are crazy!

    1. Citizen99

      Re: By Toutatis!

      Back in the Nineties, on my way through Zurich airport visiting a co-contractor, I was able to buy Asterix comic books with the text in German :-D

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: By Toutatis!

        Some of the jokes are funnier in English than in French*, because René Goscinny seemed to be pretty good at writing puns in English. How good is the humour in German?

        An obvious joke that was written in English and then translated to French is Dogmatix's name; in French, he's called "Idéfix"

        1. LionelB Silver badge

          Re: By Toutatis!

          > How good is the humour in German?

          I had a Bavarian colleague for a while. He specialised in shockingly filthy (but rather good) jokes. He did describe it as a specifically Bavarian thing, though.

          1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

            Re: By Toutatis!

            Sounds an apt description of Bavarian humour: it's generally pretty rudimentary and where most of the stereotypes come from. You need to be a lot further north for any kind of subtlety and irony is often only available in homeopathic doses.

          2. Citizen99

            Re: By Toutatis!

            > I had a Bavarian colleague for a while.

            Made me think of the late lamented Jethro (Cornish)

            1. LionelB Silver badge

              Re: By Toutatis!

              Yup, that's the right ballpark.

          3. Schultz

            Re: By Toutatis!

            There are dialect translations for some Asterix series books. I don't think they allowed filthy Bavarian jokes though, it's supposed to be kids' books after all.

            1. LionelB Silver badge

              Re: By Toutatis!

              Don't know about this one… Asterix auf Bairisch : Der große Mundart-Sammelband. I don't speak German, never mind Bavarian dialect.

        2. FrogsAndChips Silver badge

          Re: By Toutatis!

          The name Idéfix didn't come from the English at all, it was chosen via a contest among the readers of the paper where the comic was initially published (Pilote). 'Dogmatix' is a brilliant translation though, as it conveys a similar meaning with the added pun on 'dog'.

        3. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

          Re: By Toutatis!

          > René Goscinny seemed to be pretty good at writing puns in English.

          He was -- he lived in New York City for years and cartooned in English there -- but the British English translations were done by the amazing duo of Anthea Bell and Derek Hockridge.

          https://auntymuriel.com/2012/12/23/asterix-in-translation-the-genius-of-anthea-bell-and-derek-hockridge/

          (Bell's brother was BBC-presenter-turned-politican Martin Bell.

          He inspired the finest opening line of a biography I've ever read:

          "Dead coypus levitate as the witches come to Knutsford Heath to watch the murder of a day-old politician called Martin Bell."

          From Purple Homicide, by John Sweeney.)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthea_Bell

          She came out of retirement to do the first of the new Asterix books by Conrad and Ferri, and they are excellent. Indeed they are better than the books written by Uderzo on his own after Goscinny died.

          The last book Bell & Hockridge translated that Goscinny approved was _Asterix in Britain_ -- my personal favourite -- and he loved their work. It was more of a rewrite than a translation because French jokes about Brits are not merely not funny to Brits, they are completely incomprehensible. He said it was great work, loved the way they worked "old fruit" and other such Wodehousian sobriquets into it... and died not long afterwards.

          So, all credit to him, but no, he did not write the English scripts.

          I am told Asterix didn't sell much in the USA and I am not sure if there might be a different American English translation. The British gags ("that's the wonder of Woolix") would make no sense to Americans.

          However it's not just in German, but there are I believe also versions in Bavarian German and Swiss German as well as the Hochdeutsch translations of which I have one or two. It is more extensively localised than almost any other 20th century fiction. And it deserves it.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: By Toutatis!

            > From Purple Homicide, by John Sweeney.

            With a name like that he was destined to write cop stories.

          2. Jeff3171351982

            Re: By Toutatis!

            "The Wonder of Woolix" on the side of a covered wagon is what I have in my copy of Obelix and Co. purchased in Ireland last century. The Papercutz version (in Ominbus vol. 8, 3 books in 1 seems to be for US market) says "PERiPATETiX's WE'RE DRiViNG FOR A BARGAIN" instead. https://books.google.com/books?id=9QAIEQAAQBAJ&pg=PA80

            But, this is not "the thyme and plaice to carp."

        4. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: By Toutatis!

          There's a (now out of print and expensive) book by the English translators about Asterix

          A lot of the jokes in 'Asterix in Britain' were from French English language textbooks that Brits wouldn't get, so they replaced them with jokes from British Latin school textbooks that today nobody gets.

  8. TVU Silver badge

    I very much welcome this news and I would like to see much more funding like this for open source operating systems and software.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I for one welcome our new Chameleon overlords...

      1. blu3b3rry Silver badge
        Holmes

        I think it's SUSE who has the chameleon as a mascot. KDE's is currently the little green dragon Konqi (and various colourful friends).

        Dragon overlords sound welcome too.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    €1300000…

    …does not get you very far in this day and age but it's better than nothing, I suppose.

    Also, the article does not say, but I assume the recipient was *not* the KDE foundation, as they do not pay for development (nor were they allowed to, I forget the reason).

    Hmm… or am I getting mixed up with the LibreOffice foundation?

  10. Arnaaril

    If the they were smart they would invest in plan9. Linux is already captured by American Big Tech and is being undermined and corrupted as we speak.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Solved

    Save your Euros and implement Kylin. Make President Xi smile

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