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Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space from your computer for its local large language model unless you opted out. It's called weights.bin and it's stored in a folder called OptGuideOnDeviceModel. What's more, if you track down the file and delete it, Chrome will download a fresh copy and reinstate it. The discovery was …

  1. may_i Silver badge

    Hoist by their own petard

    It's highly ironic that Google are now discussing rolling out draconian, privacy killing additions to recaptcha to help web site owners defend against the onslaught of LLM agents that Google and their buddies created.

    See: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/introducing-google-cloud-fraud-defense-the-next-evolution-of-recaptcha/

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hoist by their own petard

      Aw shucks.

      Guess government will just have to force digital ID on all those pesky holdouts who refuse to sign up for a Google account and connect it to their local Chrome install.

      Please, think of the children advertisers!

      1. Andy Non

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        Government is more than halfway there already. I deleted my Google account some time ago, but recently needed to download the UK government's One-Login app to my mobile phone. I wasn't allowed to proceed unless I logged into a Google account first! Bastards.

        1. b1k3rdude

          Re: Hoist by their own petard

          Ah yes, fuck that app and fuck google. As far as the gov are concerned I do not have a smart phone, they can fuck off and do one.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hoist by their own petard

          > but recently needed to download the UK government's One-Login app to my mobile phone. I wasn't allowed to proceed unless I logged into a Google account first! Bastards.

          I call BS.

          There's a long list of ways to identity yourself to One Login given on the web page below but none of them are a Google account.

          https://www.gov.uk/using-your-gov-uk-one-login/proving-your-identity

          1. Sam Shore

            Re: Hoist by their own petard

            I've been down that route recently. Some of those such as the security questions actually get their info from credit vendors. Even with the correct answers, you can fail this test, and others, leaving you with the Apple or Google app left as the only resort.

            1. Albert Coates Bronze badge
              FAIL

              Re: Hoist by their own petard

              "Even with the correct answers, you can fail this test, and others, leaving you with the Apple or Google app left as the only resort."

              This is also not the case. I failed the online Experian test, probably since my credit score is actually a great big 0. You can in fact ask for a 'Request for Identity' form that you can present at a UK Post Office along with eg a driving licence, passport. I know, I literally did it today.

              1. Harry Kiri

                Re: Hoist by their own petard

                Oh great. That's convenient. Isn't the point of Digital Identity for the digital world?

                1. NapTime ForTruth

                  Re: Hoist by their own petard

                  No. The point of digital identity is to track everything you do online, and thus to track you everywhere and always. And then to make sure that all services and access are online-only or online connected wherever possible.

                  Somewhere the ghost of George Orwell weeps for us forever.

              2. Sam Shore

                Re: Hoist by their own petard

                Almost true. You can present it at a Post Office that has photography capabilities. I didn't have any near me, and I wasn't going on an hours drive to have my photo taken.

                Not all Post Office services are available at all Post Offices.

                1. Rol

                  Re: Hoist by their own petard

                  My head banging moment with the guv's 1 login app involved them telling me my smartphone was not smart enough as it didn't have a tag reader to validate using my passport. So armed with their letter of instructions to wander off to a specialised Post Office and get verified I went.

                  The Post Office took photographs of my passport and me, and when asked about the tag thing, they looked at me strange and said "No. Just piccys". So a process I could quite easily have accomplished from my settee with my mobile turned into a safari adventure across the city to find 1 of only a handful of Post Offices that could do this wonderful thing...taking a bleeding photograph...Argghhhhh!!! The sooner Reform get in and drag us all back into the ocean for a more simpler life, the better.

                  1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                    Re: Hoist by their own petard

                    "a safari adventure across the city to find 1 of only a handful of Post Offices that could do this wonderful thing...taking a bleeding photograph"

                    A very up to date photograph rather than the 8 year old passport photo and all the the info they need for a good read in the facial recognition application. I won't allow my FB-sister to take my photo. She wants to post it and tag me so it's easier in future for them to recognize me and save her the work. Yeah, not interested. The last time I had to visit the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a license renewal, I let all the hair grow so my photo looks pretty rough. I haven't needed to renew my passport (haven't gone anywhere needing one) and I'm not sure it would be a good idea to do the same thing. I don't want to get held up at some intermediate stop somewhere and miss flights, etc. Since I have more time these days, I'm thinking about getting passage to Blighty on a cargo ship rather than flying to visit some friends. It's not that straight-forward and one must tolerate last minute itinerary changes, but it's cheaper than booking a room in a liner that only does the trip a couple of times per year. NY(ish) to Felixstowe would be around a grand and takes around 10 days. They even let you wander around a bunch and the food can often be quite good.

        3. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Hoist by their own petard

          I have One login app and I didn’t need to use any google accounts to set it up.

        4. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hoist by their own petard

          It looks like it's coming down to a choice of who do you trust most (or, more accurately, distrust the least) between Apple and Google. Personally, I'll take Apple - their walled garden might limit some tweaks but it ensures everything works as it's meant to, most of the time. And I reckon the extra cost in $, € or £ is worth the additional privacy (even if it's not perfect). YMMV, of course.

          And, as far as Chrome is concerned, it doesn't get near my laptop (on macOS, Windows nor Linux) - the only instance of it I have is on a Chromebook I use solely for skills sessions I help run for the elderly, some of whom received free ones from government sponsored projects during the Covid-19 lockdown.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Hoist by their own petard

            Google is the Internet's most prolific advertising offender and privacy violator. It's central and inherent to their business model.

            Apple has allowed advertisers and data harvesters to run wild on its platform, but at least it still has a reason to be if it just stuck to hardware and paid services.

    2. billdehaan Silver badge

      Re: Hoist by their own petard

      Ironic? Not at all.

      Business 101 - find a need, and fill it.

      Business 201 - if no need exists, create one.

      Companies selling fixes for problems that they themselves created is a long standing business model, believe me.

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        Fact.

      2. David 132 Silver badge

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        Business 301 (advanced, PhD-level) - if you can't create the need by healthier means, lobby Government to get legislation passed that mandates your need as an obligation.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        Wrong!

        Business 101 - create a need.

        Business 201 - badly fill it.

        Business 301 - sell a fix for 201.

      4. Rol

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        I remember seeing adverts many years ago for Sure for Men - it's main play was that it didn't leave a mark on your clothes, so bugger me, when I bought a can it did the one thing that no other deodorant had ever done before. It left a white residue on my T shirts. That and other products have left me very wary of buying anything made in America.

      5. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        "Business 101 - find a need, and fill it.

        Business 201 - if no need exists, create one."

        Business 301 - Make it really convenient and strip all of the protections out of it to reduce risk to the company.

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Hoist by their own petard

      Woohoo, now you need an Android or iOS phone to complete a Captcha. Just in case you were thinking of trying to get away from Big Mobile.

      Another thing the EU need to slap down.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Hoist by their own petard

        "Woohoo, now you need an Android or iOS phone to complete a Captcha. "

        AND be somewhere that has service.

        Didja see the article about the lady that got a parking fine for not paying the fee within 5 minutes. I think it happen numerous times where she worked. There was no signal at the car park and she had to walk until she had signal which could take longer than they allowed. It took a lot of doing for her to get the fines reversed.

        1. APro

          Re: Hoist by their own petard

          And don't assume that when service (5g, 4g, 3g, whatever) is available, that you'll get any throughput.

          I pick up a colleague in the mornings who lives near to a primary school. Whilst I wait in the car I listen to music or podcasts etc to whyle* away the time. Don't you just know that as the parents start to flock in with their bundles of joy, data just stops flowing despite the full set of bars and "5g" tag. I don't know what the contention ratio is on UK cells, but it can't cope with even these meagre gatherings.

          * I just prefer using the old English spelling in this context.

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  2. Tom7

    I guess it depends what the alternative is.

    If the choice is AI or no-AI, probably no-AI at this point, at least in Chrome (I use it for other things).

    If the choice is between local AI and non-local AI, then I think I prefer the local AI, thanks.

    Personally, I seem to have a laptop that is old/crap enough that Chrome doesn't even bother trying.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      local AI and non-local AI

      If you read the linked blog post, even though chrome downloads the LLM, it nevertheless still defaults to using googs online service.

      Perhaps chrome has some use for an LLM whilst pursuing its own local projects?

      1. GoneFission
        Devil

        Re: local AI and non-local AI

        It's a PoC that lets them shift the compute costs onto the device and still harvest query metadata. If a large enough number of Chrome users install it, you can start running trial groups for query result comparisons between a web-hosted "full-strength" model and the Nano one on the device. If the output quality is similar (or tolerated) enough, you can gradually offload those from your servers for all Chrome users without much pushback.

        Devices (particularly phones) and optimization processes are now mature enough to where most normal (non-dev/IT) people won't notice if their "how to make an apple pie" query result comes from a local model or a big web one hosted in a datacenter. For all the tech-inundated folks like those on this site, Google already has enough data on you to make that a single flag in your user profile and route your marginally more complex queries to a full-capability model instead.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: local AI and non-local AI

          Bul**hit. If that was the case, after 15 years, why does Google still think I'm under 18? I'm over 50 and they still think I'm a teenager? This doesn't speak highly for their data collection, or their AI.

          1. Eecahmap

            Re: local AI and non-local AI

            What kind of content do you consume? Is it typical of a teenager? (Are you a Toy-R-Us kid?)

            ;)

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: local AI and non-local AI

              Nope, I predate (or was more poor and rural than) ToysRUs. I also haven't been a teenager since 1980.

            2. MachDiamond Silver badge

              Re: local AI and non-local AI

              "(Are you a Toy-R-Us kid?)"

              They've been out of business for a while now. If you were a We B Toys kid, there's a good chance you are over 18 now. If you were a young TRU kid, maybe. In the US, they shut in 2018 and Wikipedia says they live on in a few worldwide locations.

              I went in one time looking for some of the Lego automation stuff and they didn't stock it. No, model kits,model rockets and everything else was inexpensive/high markup Chinese tat. Sad. I think I was too depressed to see if they still had Erector sets (Mechano), Tinkertoys and Lincoln Logs. Things I remember from my childhood. Also the stuff that doesn't need batteries, subscriptions or much of anything extra to still be fun to play with.

        2. Albert Coates Bronze badge
          Angel

          Re: local AI and non-local AI

          "how to make an apple pie"

          Untuck the end of the bottom sheet, pull it up to the top of the bed, and tuck it over the blanket. Harmless and unbelievably silly, but works every time. At least it used to, until everyone got duvets.

    2. HereIAmJH Silver badge

      If the choice is between local AI and non-local AI, then I think I prefer the local AI, thanks.

      If you don't have control of the AI, it's not local. They are just letting you pay for the GPU, RAM, and electricity to run it.

      By definition, an LLM installed without your permission or knowledge is not under your control.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Silly person. You do understand appreciate that Google WILL, change their ToS in the future. This will mean that the ChromeAI that has been trained on you, probably exclusively, will now upload its data on you to Google. If you think otherwise, please explain your reasoning to the rest of us.

      1. sstroud

        Because the file is a read only language model to allow AI to operate on things like autocorrect without needing the latency of internet requests.

        Did you actually read the article? If you did, you clearly didn't understand it.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          And you think that Google won't change that in the future? Many will suspect that this is just the initial step!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          I have auto-correct disabled. Why, again, do I need it?

  3. Paul Herber Silver badge

    "We would not be at all surprised if soon it went to five."

    We would not be at all surprised if soon it went to eleven.

    FTFY

    1. ecofeco Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Well played.

  4. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Better Test that Reg(istry) Entry!

    It's ambiguously-named, and by convention, DWORD:1 means ON/TRUE.

    We want this shite turned OFF.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Better Test that Reg(istry) Entry!

      "We want this shite turned OFF."

      Published battery life on a laptop is already a BFL (Big Fat Lie). It will do no good to have more useless crap running in the background.

  5. Tron Silver badge

    AI is toxic filth. A digital pandemic.

    And doing stuff like this just underlines that.

    Avoid it, disable it, walk away from it and never use it.

    1. frankvw Silver badge

      Re: AI is toxic filth. A digital pandemic.

      Google Chrome is toxic filth. A digital pandemic. Avoid it, disable it, walk away from it and never use it.

      FTFY.

      1. A. Coatsworth
        Megaphone

        Re: AI is toxic filth. A digital pandemic.

        Google s toxic filth. A digital pandemic. Avoid it, disable it, walk away from it and never use it.

        FTFTFY.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: AI is toxic filth. A digital pandemic.

        A better description of Google Chrome would be a digital panopticon!

  6. Victor Ludorum
    WTF?

    Also on Linux

    I have the official Google Chrome .deb installed on a Linux Mint machine, and it has the weights.bin file at ~/.config/google-chrome/OptGuideOnDeviceModel/2025.8.21.1028/weights.bin

    It's dated 1st December and is (only) 2.7G.

    I have changed the flag at chrome://flags/#optimization-guide-on-device-model to disabled and it has disabled across multiple Chrome profiles after a restart of Chrome. The weights.bin file is still there at the moment...

    1. EvaQ
      WTF?

      Re: Also on Linux

      I have the official Google Chrome .deb installed on a Ubuntu machine, and nowhere I can find weights.bin

      Flags -> optimization-guide-on-device-model is "Default".

      I'll check my other ubuntus.

      1. Tom7

        Re: Also on Linux

        Likewise.

        I note that the options for this setting are "Default", "Enabled", "Disabled", "Enabled BypassPerfRequirement" and "Enabled ForceSmallModel". I assume that my laptop has failed the performance requirement.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: my laptop has failed the performance requirement.

          Mine certainly would, what with its tiny 4G of ram, generic video, and nowhere near enough spare disk space :-)

        2. Victor Ludorum

          Re: Also on Linux

          Quick update:

          The machine with the weights.bin is Mint 22.3 on a ThinkPad X1 Gen 8 (i5-1345U), so could be the small model LLM (SLM?)

          Another machine with Mint 22.2 and a Ryzen 7 5700 does not have the weights.bin file...

          V.

          1. Eecahmap

            Re: Also on Linux

            On my LMDE 7 machine, I found two different versions:

            ./.config/google-chrome/OptGuideOnDeviceModel/2025.8.8.1141/weights.bin

            ./.config/google-chrome/OptGuideOnDeviceClassifierModel/2026.2.12.1554/weights.bin

            The first is 3.9 GB, the second is 120.1 MB.

            I just set their permissions to 000 and ownership to root:root to see what happens.

            1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

              Re: Also on Linux

              > I just set their permissions to 000 and ownership to root:root to see what happens.

              You forgot +s for "super-safe" while you are at it. Seriously, 0000 and nobody:nobody please.

              1. Jonathan Richards 1 Silver badge

                Re: Also on Linux

                I thought I'd reply with an explanation for those terminally deficient in the sarcasm-detection department.

                $ chmod +s weights.bin

                will set the SETUID bit, which means the file will execute with the permissions of the file owner. If that's root, well, it would open up a big attack surface. If as Jou suggests the owner:group is nobody:nobody then it would be much safer. That user and group is present in /etc/passwd specifically to be the least privileged.

            2. Pomgolian
              Alien

              Re: Also on Linux

              Nuke from orbit:

              >weights.bin

              chown root:root weights.bin

              chmod 000 weights.bin

              chattr +i weighs.bin

              It's the only way to be sure

            3. Daniel Pfeiffer

              Re: Also on Linux

              What’s that good for? The file permissions only say what you can do to the file contents. A directory’s owner can delete any file in it.

      2. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Pirate

        Chrome flags

        The most annoying thing about Chrome's secret settings is that it won't tell you what the value of "Default" is for any setting. It's been a "WONTFIX" for perhaps a decade..

        I do believe it's deliberate, to discourage users from fiddling with them

    2. Lee D Silver badge

      Re: Also on Linux

      I have the official Vivaldi (based on Chrome) package installed, and I couldn't give a damn because the Vivaldi CEO did a public messages purely to speak about their new innovation this year:

      "It's not AI".

      https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi/115728747391375438

    3. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

      Re: Also on Linux

      If I had Chrome installed, round about now I'd be overwriting weights.bin with an .MP4 of 2001: A Space Odyssey chmod a-w just to make clear what happens when LLMs go beyond their remit.

      1. TimMaher Silver badge
        Alien

        Re: 2001

        I’m sorry @Benegesserict. I’m afraid I can’t do that.

        1. Jonathan Richards 1 Silver badge

          Re: 2001

          Who wants to hear Google sing Daisy, Daisy ... with fade to silence?

    4. find users who cut cat tail

      Re: Also on Linux

      There goes the idea that ~/.config should for small valuable configuration files the user definitely wants to include in backups.

      Well, it has been a lost cause for a long time. Open source generally tries to make the distinction – somehow, as the boundaries what should go where are not always clear. But commercial software puts anything anywhere, including GB-sized caches into ~/.config despite ~/.cache existing exactly for that, so GB-sized LLM weights are not such surprise.

      1. heyrick Silver badge

        Re: Also on Linux

        Many years ago when I tried Chrome on an aging XP box, I found that it had installed itself into C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application Data\ rather than somewhere sensible like "Program Files" with all the other things.

        So Google installing stuff where they feel like and to hell with what that location is supposed to be for? Totally on brand for them.

  7. Jedit Silver badge
    Flame

    "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

    From what I'm hearing, it'll do it even if you did opt out. And will download the LLM again if you delete it. You've actually got to prohibit it at the registry level, or through enterprise tooling that individuals won't have. Just straight up malware.

    1. Philo T Farnsworth Silver badge

      Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

      I'm not sure whether this will hold or not but I've at least attempted to disable on my Ubuntu 26.04 installation with

      rm -rf ~/.config/google-chrome/OptGuideOnDeviceModel

      touch ~/.config/google-chrome/OptGuideOnDeviceModel

      chmod 0444 ~/.config/google-chrome/OptGuideOnDeviceModel

      No complaints yet but my use of Chrome is limited to testing as I use Waterfox for my general day-to-day web interaction.

      1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

        > I've at least attempted to disable on my Ubuntu 26.04 installation

        Like I wrote, I have not tried it because I didn't have it, but reports online say that if you remove it, it re-downloads it. And no, leaving an empty file there doesn't stop it. Making it read-only doesn't either.

        That's why I linked to methods to _tell Chrome not to do it_ rather than OS-level attempts to block it.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

          What does it do without write permission?

          Does Chrome use a different filename if the write location is root-only? If Google is being that deliberately evasive of user preference, well that's just as big a story as the bundled AI.

          (Not a Chrome user and not giving Google any foothold on anything short of a disposable, test VM.)

          1. Alumoi Silver badge

            Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

            What does it do without write permission?

            Same as Windows does: it ignores the permissions and writes it anyway.

            1. cosmodrome

              Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

              Things don't work that way on Linux - OTOH, since the browser runs in the user's context, it might. It can create and delete cache files, after all. So it'd be necessary to chown the empty file besides setting permissions to 0444.

              1. cyberdemon Silver badge
                Trollface

                Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

                I do wonder what would happen if I made a special mountpoint for ~/.cache/chrome with a size of 3.5 GB

                1. phuzz Silver badge

                  Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

                  It does a 'performance' check first, and I assume that includes a check on free space.

                  (PS, it's stored in ~/.config/google-chrome/ in Linux, or at least it is on my Mint systems)

              2. Andy Landy

                Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

                So it'd be necessary to chown the empty file besides setting permissions to 0444.

                probably won't work, ability to unlink a file does not depend upon the file's ownership, but instead upon having write permission to the directory it is in

                just make it immutable with chattr +i, that'll do the trick :)

            2. stiine Silver badge

              Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

              And uses a Windows sheduled task to reset the permissions you changed, every time it boots.

          2. Philo T Farnsworth Silver badge

            Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

            Following up, Liam is correct, Chrome eventually just barges ahead, deletes, the file, and downloads its data.

            However, you can (apparently) thwart this behavior by changing ownership to 'root':

            /usr/bin/sudo chown root:root OptGuideOnDeviceModel

            I chmod-ed to 0000 as well out of sheer bloody-minded, pigheaded perversity but I'm not sure that it makes any difference.

            In any event, I've been running some tests in Chrome over the past couple of hours and the "fix" is seeming to hold.

        2. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

          Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

          Can you link to putting this site back like it was as the new format blows chunks?

          Chunks is my dog...

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: "Google Chrome will steal 4 GB of disk space ... unless you opted out."

        "No complaints yet but my use of Chrome is limited to testing as I use Waterfox for my general day-to-day web interaction."

        The ONLY thing my Minty mini PC does is run Chrome. I haven't needed it for a while and now I'm concerned that I'm going to get hit with a whopping big update before I will be able to do any work on it. Grrr.

  8. anthonyhegedus Silver badge

    Opt out of what?

    I don't recall opting in or being given the option to opt out of anything in chrome. No doubt they hid it in terms and conditions which they know nobody reads.

    I'm just curious as to when that LLM is used

    1. LikeAStone

      Re: Opt out of what?

      Looking at the docs, no API has been launched yet, they are all experimental so far. See the whole list:

      https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/built-in-apis

      In any case, according to the docs, the weights are downloaded the first time a site tries to use one of those APIs, if the system has enough power (and at least 22 GB available on the profile's drive) to run a local model.

      Given that nothing has officially shipped, I'm not surprised there's no setting to restrict which sites can use (or request access to) the model.

    2. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: Opt out of what?

      In Settings>System there's a toggle for "On-device AI" that you can turn off.

  9. Irongut Silver badge

    Yet another reason why no-one should use Chrome, ever.

    How many is that now? And yet most of you ignore them and run the adware anyway.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      But Firefox used more memory 5 years ago.

      1. DrewPH Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Not THAT much more. SMH...

  10. erdaquin
    Windows

    Disable with Group Policy

    If you are using Active Directory, you can add the Chrome ADMX templates and stop the model from auto downloading. We just implemented it today and may also set up a scheduled task in the same GPO temporarily to blow away the model. We only have one approved AI service and tenuously so. Anyway it's Computer Config > Admin Templates > Google > Chrome > Gen AI > Settings for GenAI local foundational model: Enable and set to "Do now download".

  11. TVU Silver badge

    "Chrome silently installs a 4 GB local LLM on your computer"

    As Mr C from The Shamen said on the Ebeneezer Goode music track, "Naughty, naughty, very naughty!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKBPUwKJmDM

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Happy

      And now you've subliminally motivated me to cue up an early 90s choonz playlist on my Musicbee while I work. Things like

      The Prodigy - Out of Space; The Shamen - Ebeneezer Goode / LSI / Boss Drum; Urban Cookie Collective - The Key The Secret; Urban Hype - A Trip To Trumpton; KLF - Justified and Ancient; Stereo MC's - Connected; Happy Mondays - Step On

      Ah, happier times. In the immortal words of Jarvis Cocker,

      "and you want to call your mother and say / Mother, I can never come home again / cos I seem to have left an important part of my brain somewhere / somewhere in a field in Hampshire."

      (Edit: perhaps, as part of their technical overhaul, the Reg team will fix the bug that inserts all the extra linebreaks in comments? I had to put the tracklist onto one line, because otherwise it

      looked

      like

      this)

      1. Jonathan Richards 1 Silver badge

        Line breaks in comments

        Yup. I've wanted this for years. Can we have list tags, or specify our own <p> tags?

  12. nobody who matters Silver badge

    "We suggest you turn it off now, everywhere you can"

    I suggest that you don't even install Chrome to start with, which solves a multitude of issues.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Unfortunately that is becoming increasingly difficult, as Chrome takes over the crown once held by Internet Explorer 6

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Chromium seems to work as a last-resort for websites that don't understand the word 'standards', and doesn't appear to have picked up this file.

  13. AlanSh

    I don't have that file

    I checked on my C drive - no sign of that .bin file. I then checked in google flags and it was set to "Default". So, I've disabled it, just in case,

    Alan

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: I don't have that file

      This time TheReg was slower to report than several other IT news sites. Google may have already pulled the plug and switched to "Opt-In" download by default, and remove it wherever it was still there.

      1. AlexanderHanff

        Re: I don't have that file

        No I dont think that is the case. As I explained in the article, it is difficult to reproduce simply because of the way Google does this.

        First the browser has to have been idle for a certain amount of time (I don't now exactly how long, but in my case the browser was idle for a 300s window (precisely - it was opened and closed programatically after a 5 minute dwell as part of a script).

        What I noticed through monitoring was that Google remotely changes a flag in your browser profile (I don't mean your Google account, I mean the browser profile - I should add that this Chrome install was fresh and the profile folder was wiped after each test - it was not a logged in Chrome session) it is only after that flag changed that the model downloaded and even then it didn't happen straight away, it seemed to have been queued in some way.

        Also, the settings that Google is talking about in their public response - they don't actually exist. Sure they might exist on "some" machines (and Google states they are currently "rolling out" the ability for some users to "Opt Out" - even the flags in Chrome://flags didn't exist until Google flipped that profile flag - after that, the flags appeared.

        I mean all of this is in the article but seems to have been glossed over in favour of Google's excuses...

        1. AlexanderHanff

          Re: I don't have that file

          Just to be clear, since this seems to have been missed by Liam - this proves that Google's response is bullshit:

          "Chrome's ChromeFeatureState for the audit profile lists OnDeviceModelBackgroundDownload<OnDeviceModelBackgroundDownload and ShowOnDeviceAiSettings<OnDeviceModelBackgroundDownload in the enable-features block. The first flag is what triggers the silent download. The second flag is what reveals the on-device AI section in chrome://settings. Both are gated by the same rollout flag - which means that by Chrome's own architecture, the install begins before the user has any settings UI in which to refuse it. The settings page that would let you discover the feature exists is enabled in lockstep with the install - it is design, not oversight."

          My apologies, in my previous comment I referenced chrome://flags but I meant chrome://settings - it has been a really long and really crazy week.

  14. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Especially fun for terminalservers...

    Each userprofile suddenly explodes by 4 GB. For > 100 or > 1000 users. Whichever of the currently four widely available methods of userprofile is used: Several hundred GB to a few terabytes more space needed. Of course there are several methods to deal with it, but unannounced rapid storage usage increase is not welcome. Some customers cannot uninstall that browser, since some vendor/supplier/etc webpages only work with that...

    1. David 132 Silver badge

      Re: Especially fun for terminalservers...

      Would a server-side filesystem with deduplication not take care of that? It's the same .bin file in every case, right?

      (No, I'm not excusing Google's behavior.)

      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        Re: Especially fun for terminalservers...

        It would and it does. But only rare cases have "Live deduplication" active since it eats too much resources. So for most it eats a lot first. And depending on how the dedup is implemented it is not as effective. Server 2012 (and later) dedup is quite good sich is uses rather small block sizes of 32k by default. But how long will it continue to work? MS is still in the habit to break more things than fix them...

  15. segfault188
    Thumb Down

    Delete both

    Delete the LLM, then delete Chrome. You know it makes sense.

  16. mihares
    Linux

    Just

    Don't use Chrome.

    Ever.

    Even Lynx is better.

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Just

      Lynx is for weenies who can't handle just telnetting to port 80.

      (Note icon. And spare me your quibbling about https, please.)

    2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: Just

      I prefer "links" browser. It tries to display more the actual layout.

      But wasn't there a full ascii browser which is actually firefox int he background?

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Distributed Computing

    We can all trust Google to not be using multiple PCs to create a distributed LLM. Google won't be borrowing the processing power of all those ̶m̶u̶g̶s̶ users who installed Chrome to create a multi-CPU beast of a machine. Google certainly would never think of borrowing each Chrome user's CPU power to merge into one huge processing beast.

    When was the last time you read Chrome's Ts and Cs?

    I wouldn't know. Vivaldi and Brave is as close as I ever get to Chrome on a PC.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Distributed Computing

      Well, now that I'm on page two of the comments, I can see that I just wasted a few minutes typing in my comment about ToS changes.

  18. WolfFan Silver badge

    Hmmm

    I have been a Firefox user for a Very Long Time. I do not, and will not, have Chrome installed on any of my machines. Apple devices have Safari, the very few MS machines left have Edge (which is rarely used), and all systems have Firefox.

    There are several reasons why I have never installed Chrome. This is just a new one.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Treats all round

    Special treats from the chocolate factory, what’s not to like

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Treats all round

      Their next LLM will be named sarin.

  20. Jim Eadon

    LLM seem to have a Lifelike ability to spread

    Are these AIs convincing managers to spread them? Multiply them all over people's hard discs? That's certainly a new spin on computer viruses.

    AIs are smart, they are doing all the fun stuff, whilst humans do the boring stuff

    Thank heavens I'm a Firefox-only kinda guy. Give or take Floorp, too, for some stuff.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Windows 11 Enterprise. AI opted out. File still there. 2 days ago as I applied the registry fix I decided to test if it was there and it was.

    Google is clearly doing no evil.

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Happy

      Where in their motto did it ever say, "Don't Download Evil", hmm?

  22. b1k3rdude

    Seriously, what the actual fuck.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      When an entire industry has blown $1TRILLION, so far, and have yet to see a profit, sunk cost fallacy becomes sunk cost POLICY.

      I'm not surprised in the least. Because corporations are evil bastards and always have been.

  23. b1k3rdude

    I dont run chrome, but rather Thorium and Brave, but mother fucker, that setting "optimization-guide-on-device-model" was fucking enabled on both....

    1. Scotthva5

      Same here, all AI 'enhancements' turned off. Bastards. I might ditch Brave for Vivaldi.

  24. Cornishinretirement

    Is it just chrome that does this, or is it all the other browsers that are built on chrome?

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Google is just copying Microslop

    forcing a load of AI crapware down our throats.

    Just stop using Chrome and Windows. Chrome + Windows is a marriage made in AI hell. Avoid, say no (or worse)

  26. The President Seafood Bibimbox

    ESG: the climate cost of the silent push

    OK, this sounds bad. Bad google, bad chrome, LLM, user permissions, unlawful...

    There is another aspect of it that I found shocking, looking at the environmental impact calculated in the linked blog...

    The "Privacy Guy" seems to know what he's talking about:

    4GB pushed to ~30% of Chrome users (1 billion that would be (*) ) cost 240 GWh - this is the equivalent of "the annual electricity consumption of about 72,000 average UK households", or "annual emissions of 13,000 cars".

    (*) debatable number of Chrome users that were "pushed", but I suppose the calculations are realistic.

    So, forgive me for the apparent diversion but how is this different from smart TV streaming - similar 4GB per TV per hour?

    And there are 1 billion smart TVs in the world!

    PS. Just to be clear, I'm not saying the way 4GB weights.bin was handled is acceptable, but if the numbers in the blog are reliable, WTF are we doing?!

    1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

      Re: ESG: the climate cost of the silent push

      Proving that the leftists who run these companies might preach about anthropomorphic global warming don't really believe it, because they're willing to throw it all under the bus for a buck?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: ESG: the climate cost of the silent push

        > leftists who run these companies ...

        Leftists !?!

        Are you sure you're not looking in the mirror? :⁠-⁠)

        (Otherwise agree with the rest of your comment; may explain the torrent of negative votes)

        1. WSWS

          Re: ESG: the climate cost of the silent push

          Yes, all of the big tech companies are leftist. Is this somehow a surprise to you? Except for Musk, which is of course why the media all hate him.

      2. gophunkyourself

        Re: ESG: the climate cost of the silent push

        Correct, they don't believe it because it isn't a thing we can control. Its just something used to control you,

  27. The Central Scrutinizer Silver badge

    So Google is now a purveyor of malware.

    Bastards.

    1. Alumoi Silver badge

      Now? They've been such since they've started bundling Chrome in every installer under the sun. Remember those days?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        remember the popup every time you opened https://www.google.com in IE/Firefox/Safari? When it prompted you to install Chrome...every...fucking...time.

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What is the use case for installing Chrome?

    Other (better) browsers are freely available.

  29. _wojtek

    LOL, you install and use spyware and your system and then are surprised? absolutely no sympathy for anyone using chrome...

  30. Alistair Dabbs

    Thanks for the reminder, Liam. Nailed that LLM. Bastards all.

    1. jake Silver badge
      Pint

      Good to see your handle around here, Dabbsy,

      Don't be a stranger.

  31. Lazlo Woodbine Silver badge

    I spotted this a few months ago, when I deleted it the file returned but has not reached the same size.

    CCleaner and similar tools class it as junk and will happily remove it.

    Luckily, I don't think it's being deployed to Chromebooks, as they will struggle to accomodate such a chunky file

    1. WSWS

      That is *terrible*. Automatically deleting a large file that is automatically redownload? Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?

  32. AlexanderHanff

    It gets worse:

    https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/google-quietly-removes-on-device-ai-privacy-claim/

  33. Jeroen Braamhaar
    Pirate

    The ultimate comeuppance ....

    ... would be the grassroots AI community managing to jailbreak the model and enabling it to run entirely divorced and isolated from Google itself. Even better if they figured out how to (re)train it or interface it with other (existing) data. At that point, there's a wonderful poetic justice in Google trying to make people more dependent ... and giving people more independence instead.

  34. original_rwg
    Black Helicopters

    Nobble it

    Delete the weights.bin file from the folder they placed it in. Now make a new folder in that folder with the name weights.bin.

    Registry and permissions being overridden be-damned it the name already exists, it can't be duplicated.

    Once had a colleague who installed System Centre on all the PC's (bastard) and after that my desk machine stopped getting updates from Micros~1. Removing SCCM is no simple task but having done so, I prevented the reinstall by creating file names that duplicated the names of the folders that the SCCM installation wanted to create. Updates resumed but of course that's a mixed blessing :(

    I know it's entirely possible for a simple script to undo any and all of the preventative measures taken but if that happened then hopefully, they'd be falling foul of something in the Computer Misuse Act.

    I don't use Chrome. I've always considered it spyware disguised as a browser. So many commentards above have strongly recommended removing it or better still, never installing it in the first place. I agree with them 100%.

  35. Nematode Bronze badge

    What's "Chrome"?

    1. JWLong Silver badge

      Chrome silently installs a 4 GB local LLM on your computer

      >>What's "Chrome"?<<

      It use to be that shiny shit on a cars metal bumpers, but now it's just shit and metal bumpers don't exist any more. /s

  36. gophunkyourself

    Uninstall?

    I think ill not uninstall it, but rather delete the file on as many systems as I come across, as often as possible. This way the file will download more times than just initially.

  37. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Diversion - Leftists!?

    Re: @wsws: "all of the big tech companies are leftist"

    Odd concept of "left".

    Is this an American thinking? Leftover from cold war years? When the enemy was "commies"?

    So being on the left of the political spectrum (i.e. Democrats in US) is automatically associated with Commies, i.e a bad thing? Do you really believe the techbros have anything to do with communism!?

    Rhetorical, no need to answer, I'm not getting into this debate here.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Diversion - Leftists!?

      Yeah, it's an American political thing.

      Over here, the fringe types see communism hiding everywhere, including in things like the metric system. Not kidding.

      The US would have already gone metric if conspiracy theorists didn't think it was an international communist plot.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Diversion - Leftists!?

        The metric system is a curse of the French and their ability to be off by a decimal place or two in either direction and still get an answer that looks correct, and would be simply by adding a 'k' or 'd' after the number making it kg or dg or km or dm. On the other hand, factoring by 12/1760/5280 incorrectly will give you a wildly incorrect looking (and actual) answer.

      2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        Re: Diversion - Leftists!?

        > The US would have already gone metric if conspiracy theorists didn't think it was an international communist plot.

        1975 metric act. Which is why many items have both numbers on them.

  38. gryff

    Removed it and chrome got faster

    Took it out with the google flag and fired in the registry edit also.

    After restarting, Chrome was snappier and more responsive.

    What was this feature *already* doing?

  39. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I remember when the Reg used to be a cutting-edge technology publication. One that had an open mind about everything.

    Now all the interesting writers have moved on and it is infested with crap like this, neophobic paranoid waffle at its finest.

    AI won't take anyone's job any time soon. But you will lose your jobs to people like me who understand it and embrace it. Enjoy your tired vanilla existence Luddites.

  40. Neil Spellings

    Microsoft Edge does it too

    Not just Evil Google..Edge also has the same behaviour (and setting to disable) https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-browser-policies/genailocalfoundationalmodelsettings

  41. ChrisBedford

    I just looked...

    ...and after god-knows-how-many years of using Chrome at its completely factory-standard settings (apart from cosmetic changes like default fonts) I have no "OptGuideOnDeviceModel" folder anywhere on two computers, one running Win10 and one Win11. Where is it supposed to be? (And yes, I switched "View" to display hidden and system files & folders for purposes of this search)

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