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A university student in Taiwan is out on bail after being accused of interfering with signals sent to the country's high-speed rail network, bringing trains to a halt. In a statement issued to local media, Taiwan High Speed Rail (THSR) confirmed that a 48-minute disruption to three trains on April 5 was caused by a rogue General …

  1. The Man Who Fell To Earth
    WTF?

    OK, I'll bite

    So how did they come to focus on Lin?

    1. KittenHuffer Silver badge

      Re: OK, I'll bite

      Whatever clue they found they swallowed it hook, Lin and sinker!

    2. Snake Silver badge

      Re: OK, I'll bite

      I'd like to know the motive

      1. Evil Auditor Silver badge

        Re: OK, I'll bite

        It's because, that's why. Students' curiosity seems to be a valid explanation to me. It's probably not something more sinister as he's been released already.

        But how did they find him?!

        1. bazza Silver badge

          Re: OK, I'll bite

          Probably looked up sales of SDRs and such like in the locality, and went from there on.

          Assuming that this is no more than student curiosity, and creative way to deal with this would be to set him to work in their Electronic Warfare R&D for their military, pay him to do it professionally.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: OK, I'll bite

            If only.

            My entire life, that has been essentially impossible if you don't have a degree and haven't proposed some bullshit research paper that has no bearing on real world cybersecurity...because as we know, all the best hackers that ever lived didn't know anything until they were 25 and fully qualified. None of them were talented and messed around in their early teens causing mayhem for lulz because there was nothing else they could do with their skills and free time.

            The devil and idle hands and all that.

            It's weird because it's the one form of youthful exploration and vandalism that hasn't had the obvious treatment.

            We don't want teenage skateboarders in shopping centres etc...we eventually built skate parks.

            We wanted to cut down on teenage graffiti etc...so eventually we built up designated areas for street art.

            We don't want teenage hackers causing mayhem...we build nothing?

            Sounds like we need locally funded hacker spaces for young people to me. Somewhere to practice these things safely and encourage it rather than criminalise and be frightened of it.

            I don't know about everyone else, but I'd feel a lot safer with a controlled environment to develop these skills and a local troop of teenage hackers properly testing everything in the area under the guidance of a proper mentor or two.

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: OK, I'll bite

          "But how did they find him?!"

          A post on his InstaPintaTwitFace account?

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: OK, I'll bite

          By using the same technology used to protect mobile OB cameras from jammers in the 2012/16... Olympics.

          There is technology that can pinpoint radio broadcasts. All you need are accurate clocks to record the signal's time of arrival at three points.

        4. Snake Silver badge

          Re: It's because, that's why

          I don't believe in Batman Begins' Joker "just because" motive. Even if just "to find out", that's still a motive (curiosity mixed with sociopathy). He had to have a reason to go through with all the effort involved and I hope to hear why sometime.

      2. TeeCee Gold badge
        Coat

        Re: OK, I'll bite

        He's probably a bit loco.

        1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

          In any case, he's definitely not a total moron.

          Unfortunately, he also has a serious case of not having a "no, I really shouldn't try that" flag.

          1. Berny Stapleton

            While he replayed something that he recorded on air, is it possible that he didn't know what it was that he replayed? Was he just replaying a bitstream that he thought was a logon signal? Or did he replay the general alarm just for shiggles to see if it would work? Or because he thought he wasn't going to get caught?

            1. NetMage Bronze badge

              I’m more interested in why a general alarm was transmitted for him to record and re-send.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: OK, I'll bite

        > I'd like to know the motive

        Electromotive force I believe

    3. O'Reg Inalsin Silver badge

      Re: OK, I'll bite

      He is probably well known at his his college for his skills and also couldn't help but gleefully disclose to a dozen friends about what he did, who within an hour told another dozen of their friends each, etc.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Impressive radio kit....

    "Taiwan cops say student's radio kit brought bullet trains to a standstill"

    I've got to say, that's an impressive achievement causing radio interference ~1000 miles away in Japan.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Impressive radio kit....

      Please reread the article. The radio interference was from "a university student in Taiwan" and caused problems with the Taiwanese train systems, specifically at Taichung Station (located in Taichung City, Taiwan). According to Wikipedia, there are 17 universities in Taichung City.

    2. Simon Harris Silver badge

      Re: Impressive radio kit....

      It doesn't take much Googling to discover that Taiwan's high speed train network is, in fact, based on the Japanese Shinkansen, so Taiwan does have Bullet trains too.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Impressive radio kit....

        What ordnance term is used to describe Britain's high-speed rail by the way ?

        1. simonlb Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Impressive radio kit....

          Slug, it think...

        2. katrinab Silver badge
          Megaphone

          Re: Impressive radio kit....

          We do have the fastest steam train [LNER Class A4 4468 Mallard], the fastest diesel train [BR Class 43 / Intercity 125], the fastest conventional rail airport express [Heathrow Express Class 387/1a], and the fastest slow train [GWR Class 387/1 between Paddington and Didcot/Newbury].

          We also have the fastest average speed.

          1. Simon Harris Silver badge

            Re: Impressive radio kit....

            But which is faster? The fastest slow train, or the slowest fast train?

            1. katrinab Silver badge

              Re: Impressive radio kit....

              Fastest slow train is 110mph (176km/h).

              Slowest fast train is a *lot* slower than that.

          2. JimboSmith

            Re: Impressive radio kit....

            We do have the fastest steam train [LNER Class A4 4468 Mallard], the fastest diesel train [BR Class 43 / Intercity 125], the fastest conventional rail airport express [Heathrow Express Class 387/1a], and the fastest slow train [GWR Class 387/1 between Paddington and Didcot/Newbury].

            We also have the fastest average speed.

            And the most uncomfortable seats, on the GWR Class 800! My advice is to take a cushion to sit on.

            1. katrinab Silver badge
              Alert

              Re: Impressive radio kit....

              Most uncomfortable seats are on the Thameslink Class 700.

          3. Herby

            Fastest, etc...

            And California has the largest high speed train that has yet to lay a single track.

        3. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Impressive radio kit....

          And by coincidence today National Rail services in the UK are disrupted because of a radio fault, communications between drivers and signallers.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Impressive radio kit....

            >communications between drivers and signallers.

            Couldn't they use some sort of visual signal like coloured lights or flags ?

            1. katrinab Silver badge
              Alert

              Re: Impressive radio kit....

              No because the stopping distance of the train is longer, a lot longer, than the visual range of such a signal.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Impressive radio kit....

                Which is why you have a yellow (aka. distant) signal, to inform the driver the next signal is red and thus be prepared (ie slow to appropriate speed) in order to stop when you have visual of the red signal.

                Or two yellows, to tell the driver the next signal is yellow (and thus the one after that is red), to allow the train to decelerate from high speed in time.

              2. A.P. Veening

                Re: Impressive radio kit....

                That was already solved more than a century ago by using pre-signals, indicating what the next signal shows.

  3. Furious Reg reader John

    I wonder if the TETRA bug bounty will cover the bail?

  4. sebacoustic

    Hi there

    Lin: where do I collect my bug bounty please?

    Cops: Ha, you're nicked. That'll be NT$10,000 for bail please, thanks.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If one student can exploit this, then China can too.

    National defense isn't all about missiles and tanks.

    With invasion concerns ramping up, and 2027-2028 seen as a critical window, Taiwan needs to be auditing and hardening every electronic system which civil society relies upon.

    They may not have much time. Seems like time for a whole-of-government cybersecurity blitz.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If one student can exploit this, then China can too.

      > If one student can exploit this, then China can too.

      Do you realise that "Taiwan" actually call themselves the Republic of China,¹ and do you know why?

      ¹ Except at the Olympics circus, where they call themselves "Chinese Taipei".

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: If one student can exploit this, then China can too.

        Yeah I do.

        Outside policy wonk circles, the terms "China" and "Taiwan" are clearly understood, especially when speaking to an international audience, not all of whom count English as their first language. Helps to draw clear distinctions, like here, when an island nation which wants to be left alone and prosper faces cyber threats from a mainland nation which threatens it with coercion and force.

        If you want to start drawing distinctions between the "People's Republic of China" and the "Republic of China" you're going to confuse a lot of people who think the latter is merely a shortened version of the former.

        When "China" is shorthand for "Mainland China" (PRC), the term "Taiwan" makes it pretty clear that said island is NOT part of the mainland and maintains a distinct identity and government. Nor is it a Special Administrative Region, a territory, or any other description which denies the recognition of its full sovereignty.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: If one student can exploit this, then China can too.

          > Outside policy wonk circles, the terms "China" and "Taiwan" are clearly understood

          Your own post strongly suggests otherwise.

  6. Martin an gof Silver badge

    TETRA

    While railways in the UK use GSM-R, blue-light services are still using TETRA (search El Reg for plenty of info on why, for example, this). I wonder how this would play out in (say) London, if a general alarm was sent to every Bobby, paramedic and Fireman Sam?

    M.

    1. EssexGuy

      Re: TETRA

      No chance. Government TETRA deployments use both air interface and end-to-end encryption. Civilian TETRA usually doesn't.

      1. Robin Bradshaw

        Re: TETRA

        It would be a shame if the ETSI had deliberately crippled the crypto so governments could listen in and this was now known so others can play along too.

        https://www.midnightblue.nl/research/tetraburst

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: TETRA

        > Government TETRA deployments use both air interface and end-to-end encryption

        I assume that Police / Fire / Ambulance / Transport police all use different incompatible encryption and they aren't compatible with talking to "civilian" systems like the people running the railways and telling the trains to stop

  7. kahara
    Black Helicopters

    > Officials said they believe the way Lin allegedly triggered the General Alarm was rudimentary and involved cloning signals using equipment he bought online.

    I'm not an expert™, but that doesn't quite add up imo. If the hack was as rudimentary as is implied, were these GA messages flying around regularly so that our antagonist was able to catch and replay one? Or was it perhaps a bit more involved than what "cloning signals" would lead one to believe.

    Also, what exactly is an "SDR filter".

    1. bazza Silver badge

      Who knows. Likely it amounted to nothing more than corruption of the protocol stack, and a reasonable response for such devices when they realise that the radio network is borked would be to assume the worst. A "general alarm" sounds like it could fit into that kind of scenario.

      A replay of a bit of recorded signal could easily (to the rest of the network) look like one base station is seriously out of sync. Quite a lot of cellular or cellular-esque networks are highly dependent on timing consistency across the whole network to be able to operate and quickly get into trouble when that's not true. This is one of the many reasons to worry about potential loss of GPS, which could bork mobile comms pretty quickly.

      An SDR filter is an odd turn of phrase, but one can do filtering digitally if one wishes to.

      1. NetMage Bronze badge

        >An SDR filter is an odd turn of phrase, but one can do filtering digitally if one wishes to.

        But how would the police sieze a digital filter?

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      According to the Bleeping Computer article someone else referred to, the part that was cloned was the identifying information of a radio, allowing the student to masquerade his transmissions as from that unit. The actual message was built from reverse engineering and "a 21-year-old accomplice [who] provided Lin with some critical THSR parameters", so it wasn't a complete replay attack. Still not a good setup if it's that easy to forge messages.

      1. BOFH in Training

        And bleeping computer link says the following :

        Reports state that the system had been in use for 19 years and that its parameters were apparently not rotated during that time, allowing the hacker to bypass seven verification layers.

        So they did not rotate keys or whatever for 19 years and it allowed him to bypass 7 verification (security?) layers.

        Sounds like the train people are at fault as well, for not doing at least basic proper security.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          In the UK

          British cops say arboriculturist horticultural kit (aka leaves on the line) brought trains to a standstill

          Police have arrested Monty Don and Alan Titchmarsh.

          Yes I’ll get my coat.

      2. David Pearce

        Even TEA1 TETRA has pretty strong authentication. A simple replay attack won't work.Joining the network to send the alarm requires inside knowledge..

    3. JWLong Silver badge

      Taiwan cops say student's radio kit brought bullet trains to a standstill

      >>Also, what exactly is an "SDR filter"<<

      SDR is "Software Defined Radio".

      You can buy a USB blob and with SDR software you can pretty much tune any frequency that's recievable.

      I have it to listen to shortwave on my laptop from all over, it's an old habit I got from my dad back in the early sixties(he was a ham radio junky).

      https://www.google.com/search?q=sdr+reciever

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Taiwan cops say student's radio kit brought bullet trains to a standstill

        > SDR is "Software Defined Radio".

        Bravo Sherlock. The question was "what is an SDR filter" and, indeed, it's a pretty good question.

        To anybody thinking of writing: "it's a software defined radio filter, dude!", I can see that coming from half a parsec away.

      2. kahara
        Linux

        Re: Taiwan cops say student's radio kit brought bullet trains to a standstill

        Yes, I have few such receivers running round the clock here on amateur frequencies, VHF & up.

        The setup includes filters, but I still wouldn't consider those to be "SDR filters".

  8. DMcDonnell

    Jump to BleepingCompuer...

    Jump over the the BleepingComputer website for a much better written article on the subject....

    with photo of /kit/

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Jump to BleepingCompuer...

      Thank you (and to the other poster who mentioned the site) for providing a good suggestion for a source of IT news!

      Already added to my RSS feed.

  9. MachDiamond Silver badge

    Never, ever

    hack from home. Never use Google for search and don't leave incriminating evidence lying around.

    Sounds like the coppers just collected up anything with a plug, as usual.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Never, ever

      > hack from [*your own*] home

      You're welcome!

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    He must have used Flipper Zero

  11. Mog_X

    Just read this article....

    then popped over to the BBC news site and saw this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1l7eyg67v3t

    1. Martin an gof Silver badge

      Re: Just read this article....

      Came here armed and ready to post the same link...

      M.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Just read this article....

        Really ? So they no longer have those lights next to the track that show a red light where they want trains to stop ?

        The "safety critical so all trains had to stop" doesn't add up if you have a clue about safety critical systems. An important system, yes; "safety critical", hard to accept at face value. But it does mean that a hostile actor now knows that all they need to do is jam GSM-R (which I suspect is probably almost trivial to do if yo know a little about the systems) and create a widespread denial of service to the entire rail system.

        1. Martin an gof Silver badge

          Re: Just read this article....

          It's not as simple as that.

          In the UK nearly all lines still have coloured lights (or even semaphores) for signalling and GSM-R is mostly just communication, however a few lines, notably the Cambrian through mid Wales (which has been used as a test bed for various "levels" of signalling), HS-1 (I think) and parts of Crossrail – the Elizabeth Line – do use ETCS, which is much, much more than just radio control.

          As for one command to stop all trains, not sure what is meant by "all trains" but obviously if one train stops, all the trains behind it on the same track must also stop.

          M.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Just read this article....

            > obviously if one train stops, all the trains behind it on the same track must also stop.

            The signalling system is not to ensure that all the following trains stop. It's to ensure they leave a gap between them.

            1. Martin an gof Silver badge

              Re: Just read this article....

              Ok then, re-phrase. Obviously, if a train has to stop, the trains behind can't proceed very far until it moves. Simplistically, I suppose, they might close up to the minimum allowed separation before being stopped. Traditionally this would be at a lineside signal, though if the signallers have enough options they might try to park as many as possible at platforms so that passengers are not stranded in the middle of nowhere.

              Reminds me of the case a few years ago where even though traction power was never removed, issues in the East of England caused grid frequency to drop. Some trains had incorrectly set protection which caused them to stop on track. Some of those had recently had a software update which made it impossible for the driver to clear the fault by "switching it off and on again". Engineers with laptops had to travel to each of them to reset before any trains, including those reset by drivers and those not affected in the first place could move. Thus a grid problem which was fully cleared within 15 minutes turned in to several hours of delays on the trains.

              M.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Just read this article....

                > Reminds me of the case a few years ago

                Are you a serious anorak or is this related to your job?

                1. Martin an gof Silver badge

                  Re: Just read this article....

                  It was quite a big story and led to a lengthy postmortem.

                  M.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Just read this article....

            The first UK line to have radio signalling was the West Highland line, Glasgow - Oban/Fort William/Mallaig in the late 80's. Long before Harry Potter was a twinkle in the eye of JKR, steam specials were operated on that line. I used to know one of the guys who were tasked with fitting 12 volt DC radios to a steam engine/loco. Think about it.... what kind of electrics were fitted to steam cabs back in the day? Now how do you find a reliable and permanent 12 V supply for the radio? No radio, no access to track.

            1. Martin an gof Silver badge

              Re: Just read this article....

              And now they are fitting steam trains with ETCS.

              M.

              1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                Re: Just read this article....

                "And now they are fitting steam trains with ETCS."

                And a few tracks still use a token system to prevent head-on collisions.

  12. M. Poolman

    Coincidence

    I was just checking el Reg to see if there was anything on this story:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgp8yjllx1o

    I wonder if by any chance they are related?

  13. dmesg Bronze badge

    So what shall we call this? Denial Of (Rail/Radio) Communications (DORC)?

    Remember, third time is enemy action.

  14. nonpc

    How long before they blame the HS2 delays on him or his like as well? Oh, and Southern Rail.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "How long before they blame the HS2 delays on him or his like as well?"

      The most modern trains are starting to be fitted with satellite comms. For signalling, there isn't much bandwidth required and other than in tunnels, a train can have a line of sight view of the sats which can be easier to manage than trying to get terrestrial radio to work in heavy terrain.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Years ago

    Next door’s brat had a CB radio set up. Not 20 foot from our TV antenna.

    We could hear everything he said, 5x5.

    Swearing, bullshitting and even bragging about his various criminal acts, etc.

    Didn’t last too long once his Dad was told and came in to listen.

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