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It's illegal and impractical to construct a nuclear power plant in your backyard. But a DIY tritium nuclear battery is far less dramatic - just don't expect any appreciable amount of energy from it. You don't even need any specialized supplies, as YouTuber and electrical engineering enthusiast Double M Innovations demonstrated …

  1. cyberdemon Silver badge
    Meh

    Youtuber makes clickbait video

    Why is this on the Reg?

    1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
      IT Angle

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      Electrickery, innit?

    2. I am David Jones

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      Scintillating, innit?

    3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      Slow Monday

      1. Paul Herber Silver badge

        Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

        but Tuesday's just as bad.

        1. Rich 11

          Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

          T-Bone Walker!

    4. Korev Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      > Why is this on the Reg?

      Aren't you amped about it?

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

        I am literally nanoamped about it

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      El Reg used to sell tritium keychains.

      Tritium is cool.

      1. Korev Silver badge

        Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

        Was that on the old NTKMart?

      2. cyberdemon Silver badge

        Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

        I have a Tritium keychain (still faintly glowing after 20 years) but the last thing I would do with it is wrap it in PV cells to harvest 0.000000001 W and make a stupid youtube about it

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

          You replace your keychain if you monetised it, though :)

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      Can you get Tritium vials on Amazon or down Walmart/Tesco ??

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Youtuber makes clickbait video

      Because some of us still have a sense of fun, in spite of everything.

  2. retiredFool Silver badge

    Anyone tried smoke detectors

    The ionization type have a small amount of americum, which is radioactive I think.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Anyone tried smoke detectors

      correct. Americium is an artificial element, heavier than plutonium. All such materials are radioactive [usually alpha emitters].

      And in theory gamma radiation could ALSO produce electricity, but it would take up to half a meter thick photo-electric effect panels to capture up to 90% of it coming from a source like Cobalt 60 or "plain old nuclear waste". Scintillation for high energy gamma would be interesting if you could get it to work.

    2. The commentard formerly known as Mister_C

      Re: Anyone tried smoke detectors

      You are right. They do, and it is.

      The alarms can theoretically make a dirty bomb

      https://time.com/archive/6739646/londons-dirty-bomb-plot

      Although not exactly dirty. More like Sightly Grubby.

      1. DS999 Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: Anyone tried smoke detectors

        Such dirty bombs would cause little or no actual harm from the radiation but would cause mass panic and chaos - because the public has been trained to fear "radiation", and a "dirty bomb" has been a thing they've been taught to fear almost as much as a proper nuke!

      2. khjohansen

        Re: Anyone tried smoke detectors

        OMG!!1! Would the radiation be like - if ... there was a smoke detector in every home?

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          Re: Anyone tried smoke detectors

          No, it would be a lot higher. The smoke detectors have shielding, which you don't need a whole lot of for alpha particles, so a lot of the emitted alpha particles are absorbed inside the detector and never go into your wider home. A bomb designed to spread that around would be quite different, and they would use more smoke detectors for the area covered. However, you can also be a lot higher radiation than a smoke detector without much trouble other than someone coming around to clean it up, so if someone wanted to cause harm through radiation instead of panic, they'd need a very large number of smoke detectors to build their device.

    3. Sleep deprived

      Re: Anyone tried smoke detectors

      Indeed. Read the "radioactive boy scout" 's story about building a DIY reactor from smoke detectors.

      https://allthatsinteresting.com/david-hahn

  3. trevorde Silver badge

    Already been done but a *lot* worse

    Nuclear Boy Scout:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: Already been done but a *lot* worse

      Does "Double M" get a scout badge for this?

  4. herman Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Hmm, it would be best to power the cells with nuclear fission by putting them in sunlight.

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Nope, fusion

      See nuclear fusion icon -->

      1. herman Silver badge

        Yeah, I was thinking that the sun should produce rather more usable fission power than those little vials, but one cannot filter out the overwhelming fusion radiation.

        1. Crypto Monad

          The article did say "wrap them in tin foil to block out the light"

          And I wondered "why?"

          Surely, any extra incident light is a bonus, not a drawback?

          1. JulieM

            It was necessary to exclude incident light because the aim of the experiment was to prove that the energy is coming from the tritium light source, and not from somewhere else in the environment.

    2. vtcodger Silver badge

      A green(ish) solution

      And at night, you can put the light sensors next to a jar of fireflies.

      1. herman Silver badge

        Re: A green(ish) solution

        Fireflies... Now that would be a worthwhile experiment!

      2. breakfast Silver badge

        Re: A green(ish) solution

        You won't believe your eyes how much energy you can generate from ten thousand fireflies.

  5. Steve Graham

    I started work with BT just prior to privatization. It was company folklore that there were two shipping containers somewhere in Wales, filled with redundant, radioactive Trimphones. Trimphones used tritium to light up their dials.

    1. Excused Boots Silver badge

      If it is true, then they’ll be fine. Tritium has a half-life of about 12.5 years and is a weak beta emitter. It’s fairly safe to directly touch as the electrons don’t really have enough energy to penetrate skin. Of course, being a gas you can inhale it, but it will rapidly combine with Oxygen to produce super-heavy water which your body will naturally excrete within a week or so.

      So, overall not something to actively go for, but not a big deal if exposed.

      1. Korev Silver badge
        Coat

        You mean a BT particle surely...

  6. Fishbird

    Poor man's nano-ammeter...

    If Double M knows the input impedance of his voltmeter, then the voltage reading also gives the current, 'cause I equals V/R.

    Guessing at 10 megaOhm*, half a volt is about 50 nA, or go straight for the power : 25 nW, if I got my sums right.

    * used to be common, but I dont know for modern cheapo multimeters.

    1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Poor man's nano-ammeter...

      Still usually 10 meg - unless it some specialised type.

      1. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

        Re: Poor man's nano-ammeter...

        The DVM input is often a 10M series resistor and a bank of switched shunts for the range selection. If you're measuring in the first range (~ 250mV) there's no shunt and the input impedance can be over 100M Ohm.

        You don't have usable power if you can't measure it. Even for intermittent power consumption, something needs a nA or two for performing the wakeup.

    2. Maurice Mynah

      Re: modern cheapo multimeters

      Those little yellow ones for under a fiver, about 1 megohm.

  7. AndrueC Silver badge
    Joke

    It's illegal and impractical to construct a nuclear power plant in your backyard

    Oh I don't think it's impractical. However if you'll pardon me I need to dash out back and tidy away some stuff before the rozzers come.

    1. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
      Windows

      It's illegal and impractical to construct a nuclear power plant in your backyard

      The mineral sands in SE Queensland(AU) beaches and sand isands are fairly rich in Thorium. The tailings from rutile etc extraction are possibly concentrated. So you might be able to smurf sufficient sand to extract enough Thorium for a backyard rector and produce more than just a few nW.

      The beaches in Kerala(IN) are similarly blessed according to the Great Intelligence Ignorance.

      Some affected sand was used in a school playground a few decades which caused a media furore at the time. Presumably some curious soul used a Geiger counter outside. My Grandfather's WW1 watch sent the school Geiger counter crazy and I think I was told to leave the wristwatch at home.

    2. phuzz Silver badge
      Go

      Unless you're the Duke of Cornwall (aka the Prince of Wales aka William Windsor), who, (for complicated legal reasons that don't seem to be very well explained), is exempt from many pieces of legislation, including the Nuclear Explosions (Prohibition and Inspections) Act 1998.

  8. PhilipN Silver badge

    Hooray for blokes in sheds

    The real protectors - nay, saviours - of humanity.

  9. Eric Olson

    I feel like Nurdrage did this once before

    Yup, they sure did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKdzhPiOqqg

  10. brainwrong Bronze badge

    maybe enough to flash an LED every once in a while

    "But it's just a teeny tiny amount - maybe enough to flash an LED every once in a while."

    Is Pink Floyd's "The Pulse" due a re-release with longer lasting packaging? Old corroded AA cells aren't good for a CD box.

    Wot no blinkenlights icon?

  11. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

    "Alpha radiation has more potential to generate energy, as well as being more dangerous to humans, which has made it the preferred power source for agencies like DARPA"

    So if it were less dangerous to humans, DARPA wouldn't be interested?

  12. Anonymous John
    Mushroom

    Kid's stuff

    https://www.instructables.com/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/

  13. You aint sin me, roit Silver badge
    Boffin

    Cut out the middle man...

    Tritium is a beta negative emitter - it literally spits out electrons. All you need is an Electron Net (TM) to catch them and feed them directly into your circuit. No need for the phosphor to convert to photons and the light sensors to convert back to electrons.

    You can get twice the energy from capturing the electron antineutrinos that are also emitted when tritium decays, but I haven't yet perfected my Neutrino Net (TM).

    1. Rich 11

      Re: Cut out the middle man...

      but I haven't yet perfected my Neutrino Net (TM).

      Stick with it. The payoff if you succeed would undoubtedly be well worth the effort expended.

  14. Captain Hogwash

    Tin Foil?

    I'm in!

  15. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

    The bit that cements how pointless doing this is, is where he has to wrap the photocells in foil to prevent them from generating a voltage from the ambient light that would otherwise far outweigh that from the phosphor around the tritium, even at night. Sure, there might be niche applications for this in environments of complete darkness, but this is akin to me trying to get some sort of power from my collection of uranium glass, which barely reads above background on a radiation detector.

    Really, all this demonstrates is that a photocell converts photons to electricity even at very low levels, which is hardly surprising given how they work (an incoming photon knocks an electron from one energy level to a higher one). 1887 called with news about the photoelectric effect.

  16. Ian Bush
    Boffin

    It can also make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs

    "the capacitor managed to reach 2.8 volts" What is this supposed to mean? Capacitors store charge and surely the amount of stored charge, i.e. in some sense the amount of electricity, is the interesting thing here, not the potential difference between the two ends of the capacitor? Yeah, given the capacitor's speed^W, errr, capacitance you can easily get (approximately) the total charge, but we aren't given that ....

    Admittedly you can estimate the charge from 1 day charging at a few nanoamps, and from that get an estimate of the capacitance of a few microfarads which doesn't sound daft. And admittedly I like articles to make me think. But not in this way!

    1. You aint sin me, roit Silver badge
      Holmes

      It's no flux capacitor

      And will never get up to 1.21 gigawatts :(

    2. captain veg Silver badge

      Re: It can also make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs

      Also:

      "Sandwich those vials between a pair of solar cells pried from cheap calculators, insulate 'em, and wrap them in tin foil to block out the light, and voilà: A very small, very ineffective nuclear battery that should run for around 12 years, which is the half-life of tritium."

      Why would it stop working at the half life? By definition there would still be half of the original Tritium remaining.

      -A.

  17. breakfast Silver badge

    Talk about taking the shortcut

    The system is a little too direct right now - what they need to do is build enough of these batteries to generate enough power to illuminate an LED constantly, then add another photocell in front of the LED and use that to generate the electricity.

  18. JulieM

    More ways to light LEDs

    You can also light LEDs using the heat from a candle to run a thermoelectric generator -- and the LEDs will actually deliver more visible light than the candle flame! See here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy3tBv81LvI

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