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REVIEW It's a tough time to be a PC enthusiast. Between the memory crunch and the AI boom driving up prices on storage, DDR5, and GPUs, it's gotten prohibitively expensive to build a PC. Amid this turmoil, Intel hopes to win some goodwill from budget-conscious customers with its newly announced Core Ultra 200S Plus family of …

  1. Korev Silver badge
    Windows

    The PC market is in the midst of an AI-fueled price crunch. Memory and storage can easily cost more than a CPU, and enthusiasts are having to make tough decisions on where to allocate their budgets.

    And not forgetting the obscene cost of GPUs at the moment.

    I spent all my money on a gaming PC icon -->

    1. AMBxx Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Last time upgraded my PC, I had to fight with all the bitcoin miners. Now it's AI.

      What will the next attempt to burn all the fuel in the world?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Binary Optimization Tool vs Signed Binaries

    Can someone explain how this tool is supposed to work when an OS expects a signed binary? Any change to the binary is supposed to be blocked, right?

    Another problem with enforced signing, but let's be real: how many users know enough to turn off enforced signing to run an optimized binary?

    And why does the BOT only target games? If Intel wants buzz, it needs to target Firefox and Chrome.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: Binary Optimization Tool vs Signed Binaries

      Presumably they are signed by Intel?

      And Firefox and Chrome are moving targets. (But they are probably better optimised anyway.)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Binary Optimization Tool vs Signed Binaries

        > Presumably they are signed by Intel?

        Article makes it seem like a deployed product ("alongside the installer..."). Real shame if Intel is the gatekeeper, signing on the backend and only shipping a downloader. That'd be quite different than a public beta where it only works with supported binaries for now.

        > And Firefox and Chrome are moving targets. (But they are probably better optimised anyway.)

        I wonder if they've even tried. Meaningfully optimized browsers would be a big deal for everyone, and a deciding factor for many orgs/users.

  3. Gary Stewart Silver badge

    More cores, higher clocks, and lower prices? What's not to like?

    Intel? I have bought AMD processors ever since Intel's blatantly illegal attempts to cut off the oxygen on AMD processors by offering "special" consideration/compensation ($) to PC manufacturers to use only Intel processors. It was until very recently difficult to find top of the line AMD laptops especially from major manufacturers. Luckily for AMD Intel's numerous missteps over the last several years gave them a crack in the wall that they took full advantage of. Intel somehow still rules the roost but the are seriously straining their necks looking over their shoulder. And just to be clear, I do not want Intel to fail, I just want them to compete fairly with their competition. At this point it looks like they have no other choice which is good for everybody.

    1. JessicaRabbit

      Re: More cores, higher clocks, and lower prices? What's not to like?

      One major advantage AMD has pretty much always had is that they don't obsolete their CPU sockets anywhere near as often as Intel. That is AMD's sockets are good for 6-8 years generally, while Intel drops theirs after about 2 years.

    2. Rich 2 Silver badge

      Re: More cores, higher clocks, and lower prices? What's not to like?

      What’s not to like?

      Any sign of ECC support being added back in?

      Nope. Didn’t think so

      1. O RLY

        Re: More cores, higher clocks, and lower prices? What's not to like?

        "Any sign of ECC support being added back in?"

        As if general RAM prices weren't high enough ...

    3. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: More cores, higher clocks, and lower prices? What's not to like?

      And it's more energy efficient than Raptor Lake, but that isn't saying much. The 270K Plus still peaks at 250 W when the 9800X3D peaks at 150.

  4. Sam Shore

    Anything greater than quad core is overkill for my needs. A quad core in the 3.7 to 4.0 Ghz range would run all my software, games too.

    1. AMBxx Silver badge
      FAIL

      Good for you

      Some of us do.

      My PC has as 12 Core AMD Ryzen. I run a lot of VMs. I just couldn't afford the 16 core that was the only better CPU at the time.

      I dread to think what 128GB RAM would cost now. Again, something most people really don't need (mine is currently usin 93/128GB).

  5. user555

    Price of DRAM is not to like. Price of GPU is not to like. PC purchasing now on hold.

  6. Theodore.S
    Trollface

    Who needs that for gaming?

    Angband runs fine on my Q6600.

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: Who needs that for gaming?

      Surely it's designed for a 486?

  7. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

    Refresh

    It's also worth noting that AMD is also due for a desktop refresh, though recent reports suggest Zen 6 may not be coming to consumer platforms until next year. That still leaves plenty of opportunity for AMD to roll out their own budget-oriented parts. Maybe a 9700X3D or 9600X3D Micro Center special? Or perhaps we'll finally see that long-rumored 9950X3D2 dual 3D V-Cache dies.

    AMD's reaction

  8. Always Right Mostly Bronze badge

    It has the words Ultra *and* Plus in the name. Yeah, tracks that it's aimed at home users.

    Be nice to see someone, anyone anywhere, review chips in terms of users that a) don't play video game, b) don't edi videos, c) don't use any Adobe anything. Not that it applies here so much, but that's usually the litmus test for most reviews.

    1. iamzombie

      I would guess most of those people don't own a PC, they use a phone or tablet.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    65W

    There are 65W versions. i.e the 265 but not for plus..A 150w in 2U case is a challenge to keep tempereature low. so no. PASS. wait for next gen in 27 or 28 when hopefully DDR and SSD are affordable again. maybe not. the DIY PC, right now, is dead anyhow.

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