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There is enough evidence going back far enough that it's reasonable to conclude social media platforms are responsible for population-level mental health harms.  Social psychologists and social media analysts Jonathan Haidt and Zachary Rausch from New York University's Stern School of Business drew that conclusion in chapter …

  1. Aaiieeee

    I'm nearly 40 and a significant number of my peers' anecdoes are based on what they have seen on social media. Not only that, but everyone has seen the same stuff so the anecdote misses because I already saw the reel/post/whatever ...

    The adults are fucked* so I cannot imagine what the teens are going through but it must be harrowing.

    *Social media to self soothe, while driving, while waiting, while eating, to fall asleep to, to wake to, to socialise on, to expore on, to learn with, to laugh along to...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'm glad I'm old enough to have missed out on social media.

      1. graemep Bronze badge

        Just how old are you? Social media is very popular with late middle aged and retired people.

        1. ICL1900-G3 Silver badge

          'Popular' doesn't necessarily mean 'good'.

    2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Why anecdotes are important at all?

      Every person hits the same set of circumstances at different times.

      It's all the same.

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        I was in a pub once and it was busy. I was with 3 friends. We all had a pint of Guinness. Bouncer comes up and shouts "What have I told you before? No drinking until you're 18!". So he confiscates the 3 pints, but I had held on to mine. He goes to me "What about you? How old are you?"

        "18." I says. I'm not, I'm 16.

        "I believe you because you look it". And walked off. The face of my mates ranging from despair to anger at me. While I sat there grinning, supping my pint.

        Now I can guarantee you there are at least 4 billion people that hasn't happened to.

        1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

          The I am 16 but they believed I am 18 so I got / bought alcohol trope happened to countless of people including myself.

          1. wolfetone Silver badge

            Not like how it happened to me you didn't.

      2. Irongut Silver badge

        Sailed a tall ship in your teens did you?

        Spoke to an astronaut on the Space Shuttle?

        Were your ancestors Kings of the Isle of Man?

        Well then you have no idea of my anecdotes do you.

    3. ITMA Silver badge
      Devil

      As is all too often the case, science fiction (sort of) predicted (anti) social media:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

      1. The Bobster

        AKA Suck Disk

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    On kids?

    How about the boomers who pickled their brains on Facebook conspiracies and grievances, then elected Trump?

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: On kids?

      That's ok - the 18 year old kids they are sending to be "boots on the ground" won't have learned about bone spurs online

      1. J.G.Harston Silver badge

        Re: On kids?

        Labour want 16-year-olds to have adult rights, so their boots will be on the ground.

        Wait a bit, 16-year-olds are still children and can't buy booze'n'fags. Which is it?

    2. Alister

      Re: On kids?

      <<How about the boomers who pickled their brains on Facebook conspiracies and grievances, then elected Trump?>>

      Not just boomers, it looks like there are members of most generations, including teens, who still think the sun shines out of his gold-plated bottom.

    3. prh99

      Re: On kids?

      To be fair, at least in the U.S, brains of boomers were already well pickled by leaded gas and Gen Z's have been fried by TikTok and chat bots.

    4. wolfetone Silver badge

      Re: On kids?

      Cambridge Analytica gets forgotten about, but they're the ones who really crystalised this bullshit.

    5. breakfast Silver badge

      Re: On kids?

      Kids are at least coming in with a degree of scepticism and awareness that this is a dystopian technology designed to cause them harm.

      It's absolutely old people who seem to be most profoundly impacted by this technology - like most adults, I use facebook as little as possible, only keeping up with a few wider family members who don't use other channels much and weird village drama in the local community group, but the generation who told us that we shouldn't trust anybody on the internet certainly seem to have gone all-in on trusting what people on the internet say. It has made them horribly vulnerable to the worst scammers, grifters, and liars, whose ravings they share with the same wide-eyed wonder they use for obvious AI images (that they think are real for some reason) and agonisingly trite doggerel about things from The Old Days.

      It's painful to witness and I hate to think what it is doing to the aging brains subjected to it relentlessly.

  3. Neil Maybin

    Why stop at kids?

    Do Social Media’s harms suddenly disappear when children reach 16? I sense an attempt here to grasp at a solution just to demonstrate that something is being done, rather than a meaningful programme to address a crucial problem that impacts all ages.

    1. Red Ted

      Re: Why stop at kids?

      Do Social Media’s harms suddenly disappear when children reach 16?

      Obviously not, but it's often the point in society and the law when you start being a grown-up (it's the UK's age of consent, for example) and so if you are going to set a limit, it's as good as any.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Why stop at kids?

        So the age of consent and the drinking age should be 16? I'm fine with that.

        1. J.G.Harston Silver badge

          Re: Why stop at kids?

          Well, in the UK the drinking age is five.

      2. graemep Bronze badge

        Re: Why stop at kids?

        Its not got a lot of legal significance other than being the age of consent, and one reason for it is to avoid criminalising teenagers who have sex with each other.

        You are not generally treated as a responsible adult (able to buy alcohol, able to vote, in contract law, able to marry, etc.) until you are 18.

        I actually agree about limiting kids access to social media, but I do not think age verification is the way to do it.

    2. retiredFool Silver badge

      Re: Why stop at kids?

      I think this. I have a dog and am a good dad to it. He gets a walk every day, usually 2. He is a hound so needs the mental gymnastics of smelling everything. Amazing how he can linger over a single branch near the ground for a minute sniffing for something that brushed against it. Back on topic, when we walk on sidewalks nearly every adult is either glued to their phone screen or listening to something and not present. Why do people go for a walk if they are not going to bother taking in the world around them? The worst are fellow dog owners that are NOT paying attention to their surroundings. The dog could be run over for all they know as it strays into the street. Or even worse, they have an aggressive dog and are ignorant of other dogs that their dog wants to go after.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Why stop at kids?

        Is your dog available to lead the free world? He sounds much more stable and capable than the current lot.

        1. retiredFool Silver badge

          Re: Why stop at kids?

          I'm open to offers, but he is pretty busy looking for stuff, so may not fit in his schedule. And with trump, I'd expect a magic 8 ball would provide better leadership. Just don't let trump ask the questions. His latest thing with mentioning Pearl Harbor to the Japanese PM is just cringe worthy.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Why stop at kids?

            You must have missed the news that Japan is rearming, again.

            1. Dan 55 Silver badge

              Re: Why stop at kids?

              You must have missed the news that the post-WW2 way of doing things and brought about 80 years of stability for a great part of the world has come to an end with the orange orangutang in the White House. Hence many countries rearming.

              1. SundogUK Silver badge

                Re: Why stop at kids?

                Trump didn't end it. 40-50 years of Communist subversion in the west finally started paying off.

                1. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

                  Re: Why stop at kids?

                  And where are these subversive communists, exactly? I've looked under the bed already.

                2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

                  Re: Why stop at kids?

                  Trump didn't end it.

                  *sigh*

                  Sad thing is, I can't tell if it's trolling or whether it actually believes it. Sad either way of course, but at least the trolling would indicate some sort of intelligence..

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: Why stop at kids?

                    Poe's law

                    Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.

                    ...which now applies to parodies of the US Presidency. /facepalm

            2. retiredFool Silver badge

              Re: Why stop at kids?

              You must have missed the news it is the US wanting Japan to re-arm. Trump needs help re-opening the straits, and has asked everyone for help. Weird too as the AHole has offended our friends in every way possible, and NOW that HE needs a solid, he is pissed they are telling him to f himself. What a shock. Slap your friends enough and they walk away.

              And according to the latest, 200B is such a small price for taxpayers to pay for the Iran war. Remind me again Donnie, why did we invade? And if 200B is such a small figure, pls write a check and since you don't have 200B, maybe you can get your friend Leon to cover it, huh? He can write the check, and he did write one to get your hole in the house.

              And in other news the orange clown is turning the white house into a fight club. Perfect, next he'll build a coliseum where immigrants fight to the death with exotic animals on the white house lawn. He can watch "entertainment" while the US burns.

              Do I sound a bit unhappy with the clown?

              1. werdsmith Silver badge

                Re: Why stop at kids?

                . Remind me again Donnie, why did we invade?

                At the time i am writing this, there has not been any invasion in this latest American raining of death on a another country.

                Looks like Lebanon might be getting a visit from the south quite soon though.

            3. JWLong Silver badge

              Re: Why stop at kids?

              << You must have missed the news that Japan is rearming, again.>>

              And so is Germany!

              And I do believe they need too!

              1. stiine Silver badge
                Facepalm

                Re: Why stop at kids?

                Well, they have been trying to kick us out since 1945.

          2. Baucent
            Facepalm

            Re: Why stop at kids?

            "His latest thing with mentioning Pearl Harbor to the Japanese PM is just cringe worthy."

            Even Basil Fawlty thought it expedient to not mention the war, if unsuccessfully.

        2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: Why stop at kids?

          Is your dog available to lead the free world?

          None of my dogs want it - apparently, that's my job.

          But one of the cats is volunteering. Sadly, it's the "is this thing breakable? Let's find out!" one.. Would still do a better job that the current senile, hyperactive, malignant narcissist

      2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        Re: Why stop at kids?

        I think you're lucky our hound can spend 5 minutes or more on a single blade of grass. Rest of the comment 100%

        1. retiredFool Silver badge

          Re: Why stop at kids?

          Good for you to let yours linger. I figure it is his walk, so he gets to spend it how he wants. As he has gotten older, about the only thing I deny him is length. When he was younger, I'd let him pick the direction and whoa, he picked some whoppers. I recall one route he liked took about an hour and a half at a brisk walk. Several miles. Now I limit him to maybe a mile and about an hour. I try to include some woods time as the most interesting smells are there. We have deer, squirrel, possum, coyote... in the area.

          1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: Why stop at kids?

            I recall one route he liked took about an hour and a half at a brisk walk. Several miles

            LIkewise with ours. Sadly now, the route is constrained by what my buggy or powered chair can manage.. (Can manage the short morning walk but things get worse during the day)

      3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: Why stop at kids?

        Why do people go for a walk if they are not going to bother taking in the world around them?

        If I could upvote you 1000 times, I would.

        Or even worse, they have an aggressive dog and are ignorant of other dogs that their dog wants to go after

        Or, as happens round my way, either deep in their phones or conversation and don't realise that their dog has laid a huge, smelly pile of crap that they (legally) have to pick up. I'm sick of us resposible dog owners being tainted (!) by association with those who just don't care. And get all shirty when you try to tell them..

    3. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: Why stop at kids?

      Totally agree. The education system also needs changing so that under 16s are taught to think

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: Why stop at kids?

        See Finland's example: Article, YouTube.

  4. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

    The algorithms are

    fairly simple

    Did the user click on this? if so, offer them more of the same.

    Did the user comment? offer them 10 of the same

    Did the user stare at the video for more than 5 seconds? offer them videos lasting 20 secs of the same.

    Now ramp up the extremism in order to keep them clicking.

    Only real way to shutdown social media is to make advertisers aware of what their ads are being posted among so they pull the ads

    1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: The algorithms are

      You solution would only work if it hit sales - otherwise why should they care? OK they should care but they won't.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I’m a boomer (just)

    Worked in computing for 30 odd years (quite odd at times). I've felt zero compunction to use social media. However I’ve seen it’s negative impact on many people. I’m still very glad it has no part in my life.

    1. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Re: I’m a boomer (just)

      40+ years for me and I've avoided social media almost entirely, but I have recently been more-or-less obliged to use Facebook as there's a couple of organisations I need to be in contact with (in particular, the company that manages the housing estate I live on) that I cannot usefully contact any other way. The algorithm doesn't really have much to go on as I only pay attention to the relevant closed groups and don't post. I don't know whether it would be better or worse if I did, but If I scroll through the stuff Meta wants me to see it's almost entirely AI slop and literally incredible clickbait, like being trapped in a room full of people screaming "look at me", but the fact that it's seemingly inexhaustible has a gruesome compulsion. I can see how people get sucked in.

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: I’m a boomer (just)

        There is no obligation. I just tell them, no I don’t have a Facebook account.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I’m a boomer (just)

      I'm younger than that, but I've been working in IT for 20 years, and likewise I've never felt the need to have any social media accounts. Over the past few years I've been making further attempts to disengage from most of the 'online world' - only now have accounts on a small number of forums on a few topics which I am interested in, reduced the already-small number of phone apps which I use, etc.

      But I think that many of us in IT can see the drawbacks and problems with computer technology far more clearly than a lot of those who don't work in the field - certainly the comments on here normally display a healthy level of scepticism towards it all.

      What does piss me off somewhat is organisations and small companies which communicate solely through Facebook or Whatsapp. They are basically excluding people who don't and won't have accounts on these platforms.

      1. Sub 20 Pilot

        Re: I’m a boomer (just)

        Not a problem. If that is how they want to work they will not get my business.

  6. Brave Coward Bronze badge

    Social medias harm anybody

    "Countries around the world ran a giant uncontrolled experiment on their own children in the 2010s by giving them smartphones and social media accounts"

    Countries around the world ran a giant uncontrolled experiment on their own population in the 2010s by giving them smartphones and social media accounts.

    FIFY.

  7. streaky
    Childcatcher

    God forbid..

    .. that parents might be expected to parent their children.

    Wild idea. Let's have the state do it. But wait, there's more!

    Because there's no viable solution to prevent children using anything at all and there never has been - let's just make a tool to data mine adults and blow their privacy to bits and pretend it's about the children.

    I'm that person sending all my traffic through the Netherlands in a way you can't detect or prevent so I don't have to put up with how stupid people are getting - just like every child here in the UK is doing.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: God forbid..

      Of course you can detect and prevent it. Try setting your VPN endpoint to the UK then using iPlayer. But social media networks don't want to do that.

      There is a way to verify age and preserve privacy, either on-device (parent sets age) or token-based age verification. Nobody in Australia, the UK, or most US states wanted to do either of these approaches.

      1. ITMA Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: God forbid..

        Such approaches - i.e. sensible ones - require politicians to understand IT.

        Good luck with that....

        1. graemep Bronze badge

          Re: God forbid..

          It also requires politicians to ignore lobbyists.

          Big tech wants age verification for tracking and to impose costs on smaller competitors. People in the UK have already closed down forums because of the Online Safety Act.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: God forbid..

        OK, who was the dimwit who downvoted Dan 55? Come on, own up.

        1. streaky

          Re: God forbid..

          I didn't but he is wrong, as I pointed out. He's commenting from the wrong perspective - in fact it isn't even correct from the perspective suggested; it's only because they can "detect" large VPN providers by the IP you arrive on, which if you don't use a large VPN provider is moot. The point I was making was that the government can't detect nor stop you outbound. IPv6 makes all this much messier too.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: God forbid..

        A potential issue with the proposed Euro token-based system is that, eventually, it requires all users of EU online services to maintain an EU Digital Identity wallet and setup an identity profile. It's from within that profile that the age-only token will be exchanged. The interim age-only attestation service (i.e. without an EUDI profile to draw from) still uses PII to verify age during setup. Tying the token app to PII has obvious identity-leak risks, though they claim that no lasting connection is mainained. It looks like there's no age-only token service (i.e. without a digital identity) in the long-term.

        I'd like to see independent analysis as to what attacks might be feasible on the token creation and exchange process that could divulge further identity information (or, more bluntly, what government back doors are being built into the system). It might be better if the process were proven via code audit and behavioural analysis to not only have destroyed all links to further ID information but also to be impervious to alternative PII-breaching attacks.

        A second potential issue is that the age-token app looks like it has to be hosted on a smartphone device (it's an API for same-device access and they suggest QR codes for off-device access ... yuck). Tough luck if you don't have a smartphone.

        A third potential issue is that the platform granting access has to implement a robust attestation process, so small sites might not be able to afford it. If it were only pr0n or violent content, I could live with it, but what about mature themes in discussions or small sites meeting the definition of social media (and thus having to block kids)?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: God forbid..

          > A second potential issue is that the age-token app looks like it has to be hosted on a smartphone device (it's an API for same-device access and they suggest QR codes for off-device access ... yuck). Tough luck if you don't have a smartphone.

          A potential corollary is when governments begin mandating pre-installation of government apps on all smartphone apps, like Russia and India are doing.

          Installation/setup friction is currently helping keep government app ubiquity at bay. They'd very much like to start with something small, to begin the precedent. Much easier to then blame the smaller number of people who avoid the mobile app ecosystem entirely, and harder for them too, if they can't buy a smartphone and keep it dumber than intended.

          The ultimate goal is government making it impossible to exist in a modern life without embracing government apps and all the privacy violations which come with them.

      4. streaky

        Re: God forbid..

        You're inverting the directionality of what I'm saying.

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Re: God forbid..

          I bet that means something, it sounds great.

          When you set your VPN to the Netherlands in year or two when age verification is set up there, the social meda site will show an age wall for the Netherlands and invite you to scan the QR code and upload a token using the age app, which you won't be able to do.

  8. Blue Screen of Bleurgh

    Years ago parents gave their toddlers dummies (pacifiers) to chew on while also giving them soft toys and lots of attention.

    Over the last 20 odd years it seems parents are too busy with their lives and more or less give their very young children tablets to play games on and perhaps even learn from.

    From that point on the child is immediately plugged into the Matrix, so to speak. Their lives more or less dictated and shaped by what they see/hear/read via social media or even MSM.

    Age verification tools won't work because there will always be workarounds.

    Social media must be one of the biggest misnomers ever

  9. drankinatty Silver badge

    To get there ...

    Aye, aye, aye...

    While I agree with the premise that social media is harmful to kids, the support for the conclusion is a bit murky. This is no doubt the issue that has been argued over by both side in the current legal cases. It is an issue that boils down to the classic "battle of the experts". I feel for the courts here as they are the gate-keepers what must rule on whether the opinions offered meet the threshold under the rules of evidence to be admissible in court. Notoriously, expert testimony in "soft science" cases where there is no methodology that is testable, repeatable or verifiable (as opposed to hard-science like physics where you can drop a rock to test and verify the force of gravity - and it's repeatable every time). There is no such luxury when gauging opinions of whether spending time engage in social media causes harm. They usually rely on statistics, the last refuge for scoundrels, to arrive at the ultimate opinion one side or the other seeks to offer.

    A tell-tale is any time you have to stretch to connect the dots to support a conclusion. Tip of the hat to The Register in capturing the quagmire with the "To get there ..." sign-posting that the outline of what supports the conclusion follows. But such is the law. While we all know the time our children spend captured by their screens is no substitute for engaging in the mischief growing up was all about 50 years ago, that, in itself, isn't evidence or the type that is admissible in court. For issues like social media, the opinion we all have from what we all know end up amounting to "no more than mere conjecture and speculation" from a legal standpoint, because nobody but the child actually knows what they think and feel. Unfortunately, we as parents, lack that first-hand knowledge, another critical threshold for lay-person (or fact witness) testimony.

    So I wish them well in distilling a cogent and sound basis for being able to provide the opinion that social-media harms kids. One that hopefully doesn't invoke an observer to comment "to get there they use X, Y, Z..." Proving not just what is going on in someone else's mind but being able to opine that the difference in mental development, state, whatever is the result of social-media, and that it shows clear evidence of harm, it likely they type of case that will add a new chapter on what's required to support soft-science expert-opinions that will be taught to future law school students and argued over in the courts for years to come.

    I'll just be forever thankful in raising my 3 between 1999 and 2023, they showed no interest in social-media. Zero, none. I think a lot of that was due to the roll models they had at home and the activities they pursued outside of school, baseball, football, gymnastics, band, cheer, etc.. which left little time and energy to go "in through the looking-glass" to become entangled in social-media. It sure made the years nicer.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: To get there ...

      The article and your comment hit on a key issue. The 'evidence' is not beyond dispute -- and there are learned people who offer important counter opinions and qualification -- yet Haidt's argument is quoted as gospel by activists and legislators. While I haven't gone to the same lengths, I did spend some time looking up as much data as I could reasonably find regarding social media use and reported mental health problems in various age brackets (sometimes using suicide as a proxy). My take was that the data was largely ambiguous.

      Haidt's book is reportedly the single most important source of the Australian social media age ban. The Premier of South Australia (equivalent to a US state governor) was said to be convinced after his wife read the book and proposed the policy to her husband. He then engaged a senior lawyer friend who drew up suggested legal definitions and framework. Given the SA Premier and national PM are of the same party, it then moved from concept to enacted law in record time. No trials, very little call for submissions (that was done very quietly) and the committee thrown together to draw up the 'industry code' was only asked to address the age-check mechanisms - everything else was already chiseled in stone - and, even then, some IT experts quit in protest.

      The age-check-ban supporters have become evangelical. They can't be argued with and their fervour is something to behold. The fact that they don't understand a thing about IT doesn't faze them. Most are the usual suspects: the ultra-conservative, religious-right, puritanical and all-men-are-evil-until-proven-otherwise types. They not only gloat over this 'win' but profess that this is just the start, with porn the current step but I expect much more to come. At this point, their spokespeople don't even hide their glee anymore at the prospect of age-gating (and by that I mean identifying) EVERYONE online. And it certainly doesn't help that the security agencies whisper quietly in government's ear that all privacy is dangerous.

      Age-ban support amongst the general population doesn't really convey anything beyond a general sense of 'people are concerned with the effects of social media' combined with 'I want to protect my kids' - people have no idea as to what the alternatives might be.

      Trample over people's rights? What rights? They've been whittled away to almost nothing.

      Having said all that, I'm not a fan of social media. But it has to be a choice, for each adult and for each kid's parents. "Let them be kids", they said. Well, equally, "Let them be parents" and "let them be adults" ... freely. That CAN be done.

      Importantly, the question has never been asked, "How do we make the online experience better and safer for kids?" That would have produced a much different potential solution set with, IMHO, a far greater chance of success and minimised impact to the rest of the adult users.

  10. wiggers

    We know what's best for you (and your kids)

    Resistance is futile.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: We know what's best for you (and your kids)

      Agree. The whole idea was to rise mindless drones with the attention spawn of a couple o seconds, easy to manipulate.

  11. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    and the uncontrolled experiment of kids using telephones, and the uncontrolled experiment of kids reading magazines, and the uncontrolled experiment of kids reading novels, and the uncontrolled experiment of kids writing letters, and the uncontrolled experiment of kids breathing through vibrating membranes and modulating them to encode information......

    Basically, how *DARE* humans communicate with other humans.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Plus, people seem to have forgotten that childhood bullying was plentiful even before phones were invented, never mind social media.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Downvote with no discussion? You're a pointless waste.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Yes, but social media has provided a whole new way of bullying and humiliating people - one which has a far wider reach, and the consequences of which can follow people into adulthood far more easily.

        (wasn't me who downvoted, by the way - I agree that downvoting without providing any counter-opinion is irritating).

        1. stiine Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Oh fuck, if you can't escape internet bullying with a just a single click, you don't need to be on the internet.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Society needs to learn from its mistakes, for once !!!

    "Pair say review of studies, other evidence, proves more countries need to do like Australia and keep kids offline"

    This is all you need to remember ...

    I lived through the gestation and birth of Social Media, I saw the danger of it and have NEVER touched Social Media at all !!!

    Its value is much less than the harm it can do, both directly & indirectly.

    The harms are long lasting and a danger to society because it targets the young when they are less able to handle the fallout and then they are damaged for life.

    Manipulation of the masses is much easier and all the misinformation tricks honed during WWII are multiplied by a factor of 10, at least.

    Social Media needs to be used by people who are able to handle the 'bad' side of the features it provides.

    Children & young adults are NOT prepared and can be seriously harmed by others who are more mature and/or manipulative.

    This is one instance where 'Think of the Children' is actually a valid argument !!!

    The clock cannot be rolled back BUT some sort of regulation would be useful.

    :)

  13. stewwy

    Think of the Children!!!!!!

    I fear this is just moral panic, as it usually is, and well, we'll only see if it's worth it in 30 years or so

    such as with " Violent Video VHS's" "Dungeon & Dragons" "Computer Games" etc, etc, etc.

    But by then I'm 100% sure there will be something else for the moaners to moan about.

    1. 43300

      Re: Think of the Children!!!!!!

      The difference is that those things you mention were realistically only something which a small minority engaged with - social media is the opposite where it's only the minority which doesn't engage with it. It's also far more pervasive as it's on people's phones wherever they are and whatever they are doing.

  14. Gavsky

    The horse has bolted, has galloped to another place, raised a family...& died of old age. Successive governments haven't done enough; held the providers to account & really protected children.

    Parents, too - give little Johnny a smart phone at 11 & then express horror if he finds utterly vile material online, that might damage the psychology of adults - let alone children. Who knew?...

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