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As the last Accenture employee clocked off from supporting the Bank of England's £431 million Real-Time Gross Settlement (RTGS) system, the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street was assured it would no longer depend on the global consultancy. Probed by MPs this week, deputy governor Dave Ramsden said he was confident the UK's …

  1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    Don't make it, buy it in

    >> Some government departments have become dependent on expertise from suppliers such that they have to extend contracts without competition, partly through a lack of internal knowledge.

    This was the Tory mantra. Their hero was John Harvey-Jones. Become a buyer of services rather than have any real knowledge. It was state sponsored dumbing down of business intellect.

    1. Lazlo Woodbine Silver badge

      Re: Don't make it, buy it in

      My ex-father-in-law was a life-long Morgan car owner, and happened to be in the Malvern workshop speccing up his next car when Sir John made his infamous visit. He was utterly appalled by how these hand built cars were pushed by hand between workshops, how the panels were beaten by hand to an ash chassis.

      Craftsmanship was anathema to Sir John...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Don't make it, buy it in

        Aston Martin did the same pushing cars across the road between factories at Newport Pagnell before Ford joined the line of suckers who lost their shirt on the company.

        1. Ken Shabby Silver badge
          Alert

          Re: Don't make it, buy it in

          They used to put some out on a forecourt opposite the coach-works, so I could claim I passed a couple of Aston Martin’s on my drive to work

    2. Harry Kiri

      Re: Don't make it, buy it in

      It was also Labour mantra as PPPs moved to PFIs, hospitals, air-to-air refuelling, military pilot training.... Labour loved it purely as a book-keeping fudge so they could keep on spending.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Don't make it, buy it in

      Perfect description of the ongoing epicfail IT trainwrecks at LSEG, who regularly rinse-repeat the cycle and wonder why what few employees that stay have such low morale!

  2. Steve Foster

    NAO happy or unhappy?

    It's not clear from the article if the overall NAO position on this is positive or negative.

    But, from my armchair POV, it looks like the BoE has done far better than just about any other government project. A modest cost overrun (not the usual orders of magnitude increases), and they aren't beholden to external rip-off merchants for ongoing maintenance and support.

    I wonder how the ~£40m annual running cost compares against the previous incarnation of the project.

    1. Chinamissing

      Re: NAO happy or unhappy?

      According to the BoE, it was £21M before and now it is £40M and that is because they brought it in house and added technical expertise. So it would appear that it is essentially double the cost of the previous iteration that was (implied by the language used in his answer) outsourced. Not exactly the incredible panacea that many Reggie's proclaim will happen if only the public sector ran everything.

      Then again the cost overrun was minimal and it is amazing that we actually own anything, perhaps the BoE could set up the new clearing system for the UK and run that. Would rather them than a subsidiary owned by Mastercard, which seems to me to remove the point of setting up a new clearing system that is independent of Mastercard...

      1. midgepad Bronze badge

        Re: NAO happy or unhappy?

        I took that to be the move of costs of operating and fettling it from part of a payment to Accenture to items in the BOS own accounts.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: NAO happy or unhappy?

      It’s not the debacle of the Civil Service Pension Fund and Crapita or a further 1 beeelllionn pounds to run HR and Payroll for them either.

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Imagine

    Imagine if public sector learned how to cook steaks and that "cheap" wine is not really that different from the expensive ones.

    1. Howard Long

      Re: Imagine

      "magine if public sector learned how to cook steaks"

      Unlikely, given the negative ESG scores and ESG awards that they (i.e., we as tax payers) pay for.

  4. Howard Long

    I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

    My first experience of the consultancy cash cow was at Barclays in Knutsford in 1991 when I worked for a well-known PC manufacturer. Arthur Andersen, who renamed themselves to Accenture after their involvement in the Enron scandal, were firmly embedded..

    It was a large distributed software project, with a corresponding rollout of PCs to every branch.

    The fax machines were running throughout the day with CVs from Andersen's Androids as they were known. These were almost all wet behind the ears graduates who'd had their 6 weeks of indoctrination at the Chicago HQ. Pretty much every project role at Barclays was up for grabs, with the going rate for a photocopying operative being £750/day. There were hundreds of them.

    Why? Thanks to intransigent and difficult unions, together with an arrogant and belligerent CTO (Joseph de Feo), consultancies were routinely leveraged to get projects done.

    There used to be an unofficial usefulness quotient placed on the Androids. I'd say only about 10% were adding real value to Barclays, with the remaining 90% essentially doing work experience, and 100% of them adding value to the Arthur Andersen partners' back pockets. Joseph de Feo probably enjoyed some great corporate hospitality out of it too.

    Since that time, I've always been wary of consultancies, and have regularly seen the same old rinse and repeat in small, medium, and large projects, in both public and private sectors, although never quite as bad as the aforementioned Barclays experience.

    I thought we were over greedy consultancy pillagers about ten or fifteen years ago. I guess I was wrong.

    1. cd Silver badge

      Re: I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

      It swings between hiring in-house to control things and outsourcing to save employee costs. Depends on who is deciding on a given day.

    2. pts1967

      Re: I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

      I've heard the advice I gave didn't work out so well but the house that I bought giving it has been quite lovely.

    3. JLV Silver badge

      Re: I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

      Thing is, as a dev, in-house work for govt dept or non-software company can be a little less exciting and formative than consultancy or working for a software company. Not to mention less lucrative.

      And that not infrequently gets reflected in the caliber of in-house devs. It doesn’t have to, but it can.

      I see no reason that phenomenon needs to happen with sysadmins, btw. Quite the contrary.

      It’s a hard problem but BoE seems to at least want to deal with it.

      On the flip side, the consultancies don’t all field geniuses. Far from.

      1. Fred Daggy Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

        The requirement for being a good consultant is the ability to be a good consultant (eg, milk as much money for as long as possible from the client while avoiding any responsability). That's what pays the bills and that's the focus. Giving good advice and helping the client is quite a long way down the list of priorities.

        Quite different from being an in-house employee and needing to actually provide some productive output.

    4. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

      and funny how these consultancies are immune to IR35 *wink*

    5. sketharaman

      Re: I thought we'd seen the end of consultancy cash cows

      Radbroke Hall was full of Accenture folks when I was there in 2007-8. I didn't know that Accenture's association with Barclays Knutsford went as far back as 1991. Whoa!

  5. Rosie Davies

    Hanging Offence

    With regards to "...in the Accenture team real early on...", if a Bank of England employee really said that then they need to be hanged for crimes against the King's English.

    If, on the other hand, El Reg have decided to revoice perfectly reasonable language into whatever that is, it's still a hanging offence. Only for undue impertinence instead.

    Rosie

    1. The Organ Grinder's Monkey Bronze badge

      Re: Hanging Offence

      I flinched at that, but then concluded that the gentleman in question was most likely a native of the new world & was therefore employing some form of local dialect.

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