back to article Microsoft's Project Silica promises eternal storage. It can't get there from here

There is more joy in heaven over a single report of genuinely new technology than in a thousand desperate AI marketing pitches. What the angels will make of Microsoft's Project Silica, a mixture of the two, is less clear. The good bits first, and they are truly good. Project Silica is a Microsoft research effort into data …

  1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Will it work on the trinitite created by a nuclear apocalypse?

    Asking for a friend.

  2. Alumoi Silver badge

    Data integrity my behind!

    Decoding the read signals needs to go through an AI model.

    So it's a 50-50 chance of hallucination. I know, it will be called Schrödinger storage.

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Data integrity my behind!

      Luckily there will be lots of cat videos to store

  3. alain williams Silver badge

    What happens in 1,000 years time ...

    when you try to access it and the reading software complains “no licensing servers available” ?

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Re: What happens in 1,000 years time ...

      It will only work with Edge on Windows 11.

    2. Fred Daggy Silver badge

      Re: What happens in 1,000 years time ...

      I think so long as it was written with TAR, then we're pretty good.

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "There's also the market flaw that once you've sold one 10,000-year storage solution, it'll be a while before anyone needs another."

    In fact you do need another. You need one to replace the first that died of old age. You need one to interface to USB-D or whatever comes along in the next generation of computers to replace the interface you're currently using. And if that doesn't happen your borosilicate plate with all the world's knowledge on it, being only 2mm thick, isn't even useable as a dinner plate.

    The great new BBC Domesday book of 40 years ago became unreadable in very short order without some scrambling about to find a surviving reader. The original from 940 years ago is still readable as in needs nothing more than the Mk 1 eyeball (backed up by a knowledge of palaeography and medieval Latin usages).

    1. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Equipment obsolesce is one issue that any long term data storage had to contend with, the other is the recording medium as those CD's and DVD's have certainly not been as long lived as promised.

      I guess if you drop one then it will be game over ?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Too much

    There's too much data in the world to store on these (expensive and cumbersome) silicate discs. The problem isn't how to store it, but what to store. The internet currently generates many petabytes of data PER DAY.

    I believe that, just like in antiquity, most data and knowledge will be lost over time. The only valid time capsules are books, printed on durable paper.

    1. Steve Foster
      Trollface

      Re: Too much

      "The internet currently generates many petabytes of data per day."

      No, it generates petabytes of garbage every day. A much more modest amount of it is data.

      1. Caver_Dave Silver badge

        Re: Too much

        IMHO the peak of the Internet was 2022 before AI started generating slop based on AI slop.

  6. LBates

    "There are accusations that the creators of technology read too much science fiction. They read too little." <-------- This.

    1. theDeathOfRats
      Big Brother

      Or they just don't understand it.

  7. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Windows

    Glass itself is a…

    I have been led to believe is a "supercooled liquid."

    I don't know whether borosilicate glass is a crystalline solid or is also a supercooled liquid.

    Like all fluids window glass does flow in response to gravity — very old glazing (say 100 years) is apparently thicker at the bottom than at the top.

    Whether this new storage medium would also distort over hundreds of years to the point of being unreadable is a question worth asking.

    Sobering to think that records made on vellum with oakgall ink have survived for around a millenium.

    I suppose all the newly redundant IT professionals might be recruited as scribes into 21st century scriptoria in order to preserve our "priceless" knowledge. The supply of vellum and for that matter, oakgall might be problematic. I suppose we might as well go the whole hog and mandate goose feather quills.

    1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

      Re: Glass itself is a…

      Glass is officially classified by scientists as an amorphous solid, not a liquid. While formed by cooling a liquid fast enough to avoid crystallization (making it a supercooled liquid during the cooling process), it becomes a rigid, disordered solid at room temperature. The "liquid" flow myth is incorrect.

    2. AVR Silver badge

      Re: Glass itself is a…

      Old glass windows are thicker at the bottom because they were installed that way - if the glass has varying thickness due to your manufacturing process, putting it in thick end down is more stable than the reverse. Glass is like a liquid, but it isn't one and won't actually flow at all.

      Oak gall ink which burns into the vellum is pretty stable when used sparingly, but there's a lot more such writing which has actually burned through the vellum over the centuries turning it into a strange form of lacework. And still more which was lost to time some other way - damp, fire, insects, chucked out, being repurposed to some other use...assuming that these plates will be preserved forever by descendants waiting on our every word is a strange sort of arrogance.

      1. Lawrie-aj

        Re: Glass itself is a…

        Dunno, there is a lot of 'Wot if' about the library of Alexandria. The tenor of a lot of the speculation seems to imply that if only we had it we could have been to the moon by now ..... (/S)

    3. DS999 Silver badge

      Instead of pursuing 10,000 year storage on physical media

      We should encode data in the equivalent of "internet legends" or "old wives tales". Those seem capable of surviving for long periods of time completely unchanged despite outsized influences, as the fact that the "old windows are proof that glass flows" which I first saw on the internet in the early 90s on Usenet seem to be immune to any amount of fact checking will probably exist in the human race as long as there are glass windows.

      1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

        Re: Instead of pursuing 10,000 year storage on physical media

        So you're saying we should use my mate Dave from the pub as a repository of all human knowledge?

        1. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: Instead of pursuing 10,000 year storage on physical media

          Well you need a lot of Daves, and you need a way to encode true information into the bs he repeats no matter how many times he's shown it isn't true. But yes, in principle with enough Daves and enough pubs you could do this!

          1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

            Re: Instead of pursuing 10,000 year storage on physical media

            Would it be possible to use Rodneys as well? There would have to be a Trigger present though.

  8. Missing Semicolon Silver badge

    After the apocalypse

    We will be combing the waste tips for used Stanley knife blades to sharpen, until we work out how to make carbide steel again.

    1. Aaiieeee

      Re: After the apocalypse

      Since all this glass will be everywhere perhaps a fragment of the photo of the scratch on the hire car from before you took possession of it will be embedded in the shard used by someone unfortunate enough not to have found a real Stanley blade yet

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: After the apocalypse

        What the future will prize, will be lumps of glass that knap really nicely into obsidian like flakes, of greater toughness,

  9. Filippo Silver badge

    On that time scale, it's unlikely that media degradation is the thing that gets your data. I would argue that if you are serious about storing data on that time scale, media degradation is the least of your concerns, because you'll have multiple backups anyway, periodically running checks against each other and fixing any errors that appear. And even setting up that will not really be the main problem.

    You'd need to keep your backups in multiple nations, have some kind of organization that can transcode them as data formats change, shift them around as nations destabilize over history, have nearly-unbreakable financial support for it... basically, you need a religion.

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Hence, of course, A Canticle for Leibowitz.

      We can read 4000 year old pyramid inscriptions, but the media is a bit tricky to store and not particularly inforrmation-dense.

  10. SuLegato

    Need more input

    I remember this was tried. The laser reader kept altering the laser written block of data. Curious to learn how they resolved the old issues or is it a new generation has read the 1st chapter of the old book.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The problem with hoarding

    Since this is a write once medium, finding anything is going to be a challenge. Indexing and searching will be difficult. Also I wonder how dedup will work?

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