back to article Popular prayer program becomes propaganda pusher after reported Israeli hack

Imagine your favorite app encouraging you to surrender during a war. That's happening right now in Iran. With the onset of open warfare, Israel reportedly hacked the popular prayer calendar app BadeSaba to distribute messages that, in another era, might have taken the form of pamphlets dropped from planes. According to …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Help is on its way!

    I think it would be hard for Iranians to be welcoming of the "help" after over a hundred little girls between the ages of 7-12 were killed in a bomb strike on an Iranian elementary school even if they wanted a change in the regime.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > ages 7-12

      "Think of the children" moralization was quite prominent during recent Gaza events. But I have not seen much compassion when Iranians killed thousands of protestors. Many of them young.

      Pain is real. Be it of a child or an adult. Every death is a tragedy. People should be cautions reacting to hysterical propaganda.

      Besides, these regimes have repeatedly shown they do not care about own citizens. So they can kill their own children to be able to spread such propaganda.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: > ages 7-12

        Interesting that you initially mention Iran and then immediately go into Israel's well-documented modus operandi.

        Have you been listening to CNN again?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: > ages 7-12

        What the Iranian regime did to its own citizens was a crime against humanity.

        And we can only go by reports of the people there that were able to speak out during the regime imposed communications blackout but the reports seem very plausible and I for one believe them.

        But since you brought up Gaza I can only go by what the death toll is by Hamas run agencies because for some odd reason Israel refused to allow reporters in to document the war and those that did dare to report were also killed.

        But are you insinuating that the deaths of the Iranian schoolgirls is propaganda or that the regime killed these girls for a photo op?

        Again I can only go by what's being reported and try to make a plausible decision but it does sound plausible that these girls were killed in an air strike on Saturday because the school in question is only 200 feet away from a targeted naval station and Iranian schools are open six days a week with only Fridays off so the school would have been open at the time of the initial strikes and the school has 170 students registered there so it does again sound plausible.

        But I agree we have to be very careful about propaganda, especially now.

        I'm sure the trolls and paid propagandists are very active on social media at this very moment, even on tech websites.

      3. Naich

        Re: > ages 7-12

        Whataboutism. The Iranians killing children doesn't stop the Americans killing children being equally awful.

      4. jospanner

        Re: > ages 7-12

        You think it's more plausible that the Iranian state murdered 153 school children? More plausibly than a missile that was launched during school opening hours, and pointed at a base that had a school near it, did, in fact, strike a school during opening hours when it was full of children?

        This smells of "motivated reasoning".

      5. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: > ages 7-12

        >” Besides, these regimes have repeatedly shown they do not care about own citizens.’

        Yes I agree Netanyahu has repeatedly demonstrated he is only interested in his own citizens to the extent they continue voting for him to remain in office…

        1. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

          Re: > ages 7-12

          Netanyahu has repeatedly demonstrated he is only interested in his own citizens to the extent they continue voting for him to remain out of prison.

          FTFY.

  2. that one in the corner Silver badge

    There's very little app users can do beyond

    Not giving in to this fetish to UPDATE NOW! Don't stop to check release notes, UPDATE NOW!! Doesn't matter if this version doesn't fix any bugs, let alone any CVEs, UPDATE NOW!!!

    Too slow, we just changed the background colour, you must UPDATE AGAIN, NOW!!!!

    To heck with opportunities for State Hackers to get in and change the app, if you follow that advice you are less likely to be caught out when a perfectly useful app, which you paid for and everything, is bought out by some random company who suddenly fills it with ads, removes half the features you were using and generally takes the piss.

    BTW, v17.3.5 is out, UPDATE NOW!!!!!

    1. Yorick Hunt Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: There's very little app users can do beyond

      Have a heart, arts graduates need jobs too!

      1. Tim99 Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: There's very little app users can do beyond

        So "Do you want fries with that?" is not enough?

        1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

          Re: There's very little app users can do beyond

          Of course not, you need to make it a meal, and go large

      2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: There's very little app users can do beyond

        Have a heart, arts graduates need jobs too!

        Streets need sweeping round here.. just sayin'

  3. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

    scepticism

    little app users can do beyond being skeptical about what gets displayed on their screen

    It's a prayer app, shouldn't that be standard behaviour?

    1. Dr Paul Taylor

      Re: scepticism

      (quoting Wiktionary) from Ancient Greek σκεπτικός (skeptikós, “thoughtful, inquiring”), from σκέπτομαι (sképtomai, “I consider”), compare to σκοπέω (skopéō, “I view, examine”).

      By definition, it's what religion forbids.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Iran. Trust Israel ?

    This has to be a wind up. No one - not even Trump - could imagine Iranians believing anything from the US or Israel.

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Iran. Trust Israel ?

      On this morning’s radio, the (BBC) presenter just couldn’t get it through their head the Tehran University professor they were talking to wasn’t a member of the Iranian government and being a resident in Tehran was having to be very careful about the words they were using and what they were saying. However, despite the dickhead presenter, he did manage to convey a lot of information about the mindset behind the Iranian missed attacks and thus how they would be perceived differently by their allies to how the Americans and co. might perceive things: If US troops actually set foot in Iran, don’t be surprised if they are stoned and not welcomed as liberators, even by those who do not support the Ayatollah's…

      1. Excused Boots Silver badge

        Re: Iran. Trust Israel ?

        And this is completely true; people may not be fans of the current regime; but they are even less supportive of a change being ‘imposed’ on them by a foreign power, especially if many civilians are killed as collateral damage.

        I think it is really unlikely that US troops will set foot in Iran, once more and more body-bags start to be be returned to the US, and they will, the administration will find themselves under increasing pressure and loss of support. Especially if they fail to provide a convincing argument as to why these soldiers died, what did they die for? Was it in defence of the US? Because it is beginning to look a lot like they died in defence of Netanyahu.

        Look, don't get me wrong, the current regime in Iran is disgusting, their treatment of dissidents, gay people, women, lack of basic human rights is appalling, and I would shed zero tears if the entire lot were killed.

        But, that’s the easy part - what do you do next? Is there some opposition party waiting in the wings to take over? No there isn’t. Or is this a repeat of 1945, where the US and allied forces basically took over the running of Japan and Germany, set up proper democratic arrangements and then gradually withdrew? But that, again requires ‘boots on the ground’, and there will, absolutely will be US losses - is the US prepared to do this? Recent policy does seem to hint that they aren't

        Is there a long-medium term plan? I’m not sure there is.

        Your President (I’m British just in case my spelling didn’t give it away), is apparently 'disappointed ‘with the UK’s reluctance to get involved with offensive actions’.. The Prime Minister has referred to ‘regime change from the air’ as unlikely to work. And although not a supporter of his party, I do have to agree.

        What is the plan, how does the US think this is going to play out?

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: Iran. Trust Israel ?

          What is the plan, how does the US think this is going to play out?

          Plan? Trump?

          (Breaks out into hysterical laughter).

          'Trump' and 'planning' are diametrically opposed concepts

  5. Irongut Silver badge

    Hacking a religious app to push your propoganda? Well done Israel, you just created the next generation of Muslim terrorists.

    Why are the Israeli and US regimes always so god damn stupid?

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Begs the question what else have the Israeli’s, probably with US support, broken into a perverted: AI chatbots?

    2. Excused Boots Silver badge

      Short termism; it gives us an (apparent) advantage now, in getting an immediate over adversaries; but long term it comes back to bite us, well that’s someone else’s problem.

      See 'Operation Cyclone’, where the US (and admittedly the UK) provided weapons and training to the Afghan Mujahadden because they were fighting the USSR, and then were asupprised when those skills were turned against the west later on - who would have thought it?

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