back to article Firefox 149 beta develops a split personality

The new beta of the next version of Firefox lets you view two web pages side by side, with a split you can drag with your mouse. As usual when a new version of Firefox appears, the following version graduates to beta testing. Firefox 148 came out a few days ago, which means that Firefox 149 is now in beta test. Although they' …

  1. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
    FAIL

    They need to fix their profile bug

    The business of a profile not being readable if modified by a later version, especially a version only one minor revision away, is a fundamental architectural bug. The config file parser should just ignore an entry if it does not recognize it. (Treat it like a comment.) The user should not have to jump through hoops to roll back a minor revision.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: They need to fix their profile bug

      I'm not aware of the details. But it's sound like there is a switch to do exactly that.

      The authors of version x can never be sure what the authors of version x+n might decide to do and how features it doesn't understand might impact the meaning of what it does understand. Downgrading is not a common use case, either. So you can understand why this is "at your own risk".

  2. BasicReality Bronze badge

    Sounds like they're finally trying to catch up to Vivaldi. They've been the best for a while when it comes to those types of features, I still prefer using another browser overall, but have to admit they're ahead of the rest on that.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Isn't that the one with built-in advertising?

      1. mdava
      2. richardcox13

        No, its the one with inbuilt ad & tracker blockers.

        (Also lots more split view options, a proper amount of configurability, and a commitment to no AI.)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Can you run a diff on them ?? Like live v’s Wayback machine ?

      It would be helpful to see what info Trump Administration is quietly burying… like say the Climate Change scientific guidance to Federal Judges..

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        The climate nonsense should have been buried a long time ago.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What actual browser innovation looks like

    I'm not sure if this will be the right UI choice for me, but I can see a lot of people liking it.

    Kudos to Mozilla for seeing browsers as both mature technology as well as still being capable of significant improvement.

    Another interface choice will help some get far more work done than yet another buzzy AI "feature."

    Especially since most websites *still* haven't caught up with widescreen monitors.

    I wish I I had this feature for some of my work yesterday and today. I have an online spreadsheet open in one tab, as I copy and paste out of another tab (or window) involving frequent tabbing and switching. In a multi-monitor setup, that's not a problem. It becomes a real bear when doing it on one laptop, even though mine has enough screen real estate to accommodate both side by side (which is what I've been doing).

    This split makes it much easier to resize, needing only one tool action, rather than two.

    I also wonder how users who hadn't thought of this before will now say "bloody good idea" and find their time much better spent.

    If only we could get more people on Firefox. Chrome's near-monoculture is not healthy for an open web. Remember the days of Internet Exploder?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What actual browser innovation looks like

      chrome has had this feature for eons.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What actual browser innovation looks like

        But it has! Sorry, cultists, he or she is correct.

      2. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: What actual browser innovation looks like

        > chrome has had this feature for eons.

        No, it has not. It was launched on February 19th.

        https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/chrome/chrome-productivity-improvements/

        Even if you define "aeon" as "week", it has not yet been a plural number of weeks. It is less than a fortnight.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What actual browser innovation looks like

          "September 2025 (ChromeOS 139 Beta): The feature became widely testable in the Beta channel. "

          Almost half a year.

  4. steelpillow Silver badge

    Why stop at two?

    Split windows are all very well, but what if you want a third or a fourth? What if you want to expand them so they overlap, and toggle between the two? I get by very well by firing up multiple instances of the browser, or whatever app. Can then size/position them without interference from half-baked UI decisions. Of course, an app with too many sticky bars and panels is a bit crippled, but most are not too bad these days.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Why stop at two?

      > Split windows are all very well, but what if you want a third or a fourth?

      You did read as far as the 2nd screenshot, didn't you?

      > What if you want to expand them so they overlap, and toggle between the two?

      You can't. This is *not* window management.

      There was once Opera with an MDI interface.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-document_interface

      I do *not* want that back, thank you very much.

      1. steelpillow Silver badge

        Re: Why stop at two?

        > Err... No? :embarrassed:

        But really, I just don't see any mileage in the idea but my sarcastic irony got a bit lost :-(

  5. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    MDI

    >> It's taken 18 months for Mozilla to catch up even just as far as two side-by-side pages.

    Opera had this back before Y2K. I'm not sure why this is being called new by any browser these days.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: MDI

      > Opera had this back before Y2K.

      See my reply directly above.

      No thanks. Do not want.

  6. kamen_n

    Doing the splits

    I'm utterly baffled that you (or your Editor over at Vulture Towers) didn't title this "Firefox 149 Doing the Splits".

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Doing the splits

      > "Firefox 149 Doing the Splits".

      Well now I wish I had.

  7. AlexV

    I'm not sure I understand the point, Firefox has supported multiple windows forever

    If you want two web pages open next to each other, then can you not just open two windows and put them next to each other? Window tiling and management is an OS thing, no need for individual applications to be doing it too.

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: I'm not sure I understand the point, Firefox has supported multiple windows forever

      "multiple tabs" was the killer feature of Firefox, when MS was trying to promote an active desktop, with browser windows and tiling managed by the OS, and tabs (by default) along the bottom of your screen. Clearly, many people like to have in-app window tiling and management, like that provided by the wildly successful applications Word, Excel and Outlook.

      1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: I'm not sure I understand the point, Firefox has supported multiple windows forever

        > like that … wildly successful applications… Outlook.

        You know Outlook doesn't have MDI and never did, right?

    2. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: I'm not sure I understand the point, Firefox has supported multiple windows forever

      > can you not just open two windows and put them next to each other

      Of course you can.

      The point of computers is automating stuff that we could do by hand so it's quicker, you know.

      Like calculating numbers, making people redundant, destroying jobs, increasing unemployment, accelerating global warming, and driving the species to extinction.

      They're just saving time. Making this stuff quicker and easier.

      1. sabroni Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: They're just saving time. Making this stuff quicker and easier.

        Having a firefox dedicated way of doing split screens instead of using the OS isn't easier. It's more complicated, gives you two methods of doing very similar things and raises questions about how it works with the existing, OS based tiling.

        It's not very linuxy, either. Do one thing well? Window management is a desktop thing. Every app deciding on it's own tiling mechanism is pointless duplication and unnecessary complexity.

        1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

          Re: They're just saving time. Making this stuff quicker and easier.

          > It's not very linuxy, either. Do one thing well? Window management is a desktop thing.

          1. That ship sailed so long ago you can't even see it over the horizon from a mountaintop now.

          2. Most people and most distros don't have tiling WMs and I suspect don't know how to use the tiling features in their OS.

          Just 2 web pages, and only 2, side-by-side, is probably all the tiling that 80% of users will ever need. And there you go: Dr Pareto is thus satisfied.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

  8. B33Dub

    --allow-downgrade

    It amazes me how so afraid people are of CLI that launching an application once with a special switch is the LAST RESORT (yet intended path by the devs if it exists) instead of a bunch of profile switching tomfoolery or file copying.

  9. Andrew Wiseman

    Remember when Firefox did this the first time around?

    Firefox may have had this first, certainly before Chrome and Edge... I think it was part of something called TestPilot? It wasn't as fully featured as what we have now, but it did allow side-by-side windows in the same browser window. I can't have been the only one to use it?

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Remember when Firefox did this the first time around?

      > I think it was part of something called TestPilot?

      You may be right but I have to admit I never saw or heard of it.

  10. Rob 15

    Crashing on Chromebook

    Maybe I'm on outlier, using Firefox in Debian on a Chromebook. But recent releases crash due to a Wayland bug unless I disable Wayland. Hopefully it'll get fixed some day https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2015053

    But I've found myself back in Chrome.

  11. isdnip

    I tried it on Windows Firefox 147. It works -- the two sides both work as expected. However, when you un-split, the remaining tabs are still small. You can slide the split tab to the side to make it use most of the screen but there's always a gap from the missing split view. So a bit is left to do.

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