Trump orders purge of 'woke' Anthropic from government

President Trump has escalated Anthropic's dispute with the Defense Department with a social media post ordering the entire federal government purge the company's software from its systems.  In a post on Truth Social, the President called Anthropic a "radical left, woke" company and said he was directing all federal agencies to …

[Fruit and Nutcase]

less woke

You don't have to be Nasti to work here, but it helps

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: less woke

See what you did there... Well, it looks like (tech) history repeating itself, no?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_World_War_II

[Anonymous Coward]

Read that as "Nashi"

Golden Showers.

[45RPM]

I like being woke. I like being considerate of other people. I like being able to recognise when I’m just being nasty and mean spirited (and therefore able to apologise for it). I like having the intellectual wherewithal to recognise that the place that other peoples prejudices come from might not be evil - it might just be misguided and manipulated by people who genuinely are beyond redemption. I like wanting to make the world a better place for everyone, and not just for myself. And I hope that Anthropic doesn’t lose its moral fibre*, as so many others (like Apple for example) have done.

*insofar as any big businesses have moral fibre, which ain’t usually a whole lot, but in this case and so far Anthropic seems to be doing better than most.

[DS999]

The true definition of woke

Is simply to have empathy for others, especially those who didn't have your advantages from circumstances of birth. MAGA nutjobs have turned into a bad word, which they excel at doing within their little echo chambers.

The biggest difference between someone who calls themselves a "liberal" and someone who calls themselves a "conservative" is empathy. Conservatives lack it, they only see something as a problem if it affects them or someone close to them. So long as it only affects those they see as an "other" they don't give a shit and will often happily cheer it on.

You can really see this in full effect with immigration and welfare. They are all for deporting every immigrant who isn't here legally, and are mostly happy to see it done in as cruel a way as possible - because those people "deserve it". The cognitive dissonance when it is their immigrant neighbor who they view as one of the "good ones" getting deported will momentarily wake them up, but a few nightly doses of Fox News and they'll be back in line. Welfare is another. They view the welfare they get as a right, and the welfare others get as theft.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: The true definition of woke

> difference between someone who calls themselves a "liberal" and someone who calls themselves a "conservative" is empathy

No it's whether your military puts a rainbow flag on its twitter feed once a year, while bombing weddings

[Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch]

Re: The true definition of woke

Either the Pentagon intends to obey the laws of war, in which case Anthropic's policy is not a bug and in fact a feature, or they intend to just make up the law ad hoc as they have done innumerable times before, including the bombing of weddings. Anthropic would be an accessory before the fact if they didn't stand firm on their argument.

[trindflo]

Re: The true definition of woke

... OR

The government (Trump) wants martial law powers and so far, recreating the Stanford prison experiment with live ammunition in Minneapolis hasn't gotten the people to riot. This could be an attempt to escalate by exploiting weaknesses in AIs to cause incidents while maintaining some measure of deniability.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: The true definition of woke

...with live ammunition in Minneapolis hasn't gotten the people to riot.

Huh? You missed the news with regular riots in Minneapolis and the other 'sancturary' cities that refuse to uphold the law? In which Democrats demonstrate they're better at rioting than governing..

This could be an attempt to escalate by exploiting weaknesses in AIs to cause incidents while maintaining some measure of deniability.

Nope, that would just be paranoia. But AIs can be exploited, which might be a weakness with Claude. Especially if that's been given the chance to ingest a lot of classified information. Otherwise Claude just doesn't seem fit for purpose, so the contracts are being terminated.

[DS999]

Re: The true definition of woke

The "riots" in Minneapolis were started by ICE tear gassing peaceful protestors. The protestors respond by throwing snowballs at ICE officers, and that's what Fox News shows MAGA morons like you in a 24 hour loop to make you believe they are "rioting".

Trump was hoping they'd be out with guns shooting ICE officers dead, because he wants an excuse to declare nationwide martial law so he can control who gets to vote and which votes are counted. That's the only way republicans stay in power after this fall. Really fucked up his plans that the gestapo he hired has been the only ones doing the murdering, and in full view of many cameras to boot.

What I'm worried about is that he'll pull a Putin and use some of the former J6ers in disguise as protestors to mount a big attack on a federal building and blow it up. That's what Putin did in 2008 to help him seize dictatorial power, and that's what wildly unpopular and increasingly desperate and backed into a corner Trump will be forced to since his coverups can no longer turn the page on his pedophile past, the war he started is fracturing his own base after his many promises of not starting regime change wars, and executive orders to take federal control of elections are doomed to failure.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: The true definition of woke

> that's what Fox News shows MAGA morons like you in a 24 hour loop to make you believe they are "rioting".

Despite their all-in parroting of Trumpist talking points (*1) Jellied Eel is, IIRC, supposedly based in the UK. Assuming that is actually true, they're most likely not getting the bulk of their propaganda from Fox News- at least not directly.

(*1) Given that, if anything, they're even more rigid in sticking uncritically to pro-Russian talking points than pro-Trump ones, (*2) I'm not sure this isn't simply a function of their swallowing pro-Trump division-exploiting Russian propaganda itself.

(*2) Wait for the predictable response that they're not pro-Russian, they just think for themselves and don't swallow the pro-US/Western line. Then ask them for just *one* single example out of the countless posts they've made where they're meaningfully critical of and at odds with the Russian position... and wait in vain.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: The true definition of woke

(*2) Wait for the predictable response that they're not pro-Russian, they just think for themselves and don't swallow the pro-US/Western line.

Predictable would be all the personal attacks I get from pseudo-liberals. But I'll take 'emotional intelligence' and raise you an-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary_inference

Arbitrary inference is a classic tenet of cognitive therapy created by Aaron T. Beck in 1979. He defines the act of making an arbitrary inference as the process of drawing a conclusion without sufficient evidence, or without any evidence at all.

Which are both things that AI and the 'woke' aren't very good at. It helps make my case wrt Popper though..

[Anonymous Coward]

Pseudo Echo

Oddly, you appear to have left out the bit where I offered you the opportunity to provide *any* scrap of counter-evidence that you weren't a 100% uncritical Russian stooge. Strange, indeed!

No idea what that rambling about pseudo-liberals was, beyond being an obvious distraction from... well, exactly that point.

Given that clunky would-be appropriation of something someone actually clever said, then shoehorning it in badly in an irrelevant and disjointed way to make yourself look smarter than you are... I'd say "pseudo-intellectual" was closer to the mark here, wouldn't you?!

[QET]

When Trump et al. declares something is woke, it literally means "not evil enough to be useful to us"

It's that simple.

[Roland6]

It seems Trump calls anyone who says no to him “woke”.

[QET]

In his mind, if you don't do as he says, you're not useful.

Him being a narcissist with unwarranted self-importance and all that jazz.

[Anonymous Coward]

Wish Trump would make up his mind - is Biden sleepy or woke?

[Uncle Slacky]

Kathy Burke said it best...

“I love being ‘woke’. It’s much nicer than being an ignorant fucking twat."

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

“I love being ‘woke’. It’s much nicer than being an ignorant fucking twat."

Nope, Karl Popper said it best with his Paradox of Tolerance. "Woke" people haven't read or understood that, so then call anyone who disagrees with their world view 'ignorant f'ng twats', 'fascists', 'Nazis' etc etc. 'Woke' people and pseudo-liberals can be remarkably intolerant.

But this is just a contractual dispute. Claude had been approved for use in classified projects. Anthropic has a ".. usage policy prohibits directly using Claude for domestic surveillance or in lethal autonomous weapons, yet signed a $200m contract with the Department of War. What line of business did Anthropic think the DoW was in?

Yo, Claude, what should we bomb in Iran today?

Yo, Claude, if we've already obliterated stuff, how can we obliterate it some more?

HAL.. I mean Claude won't open the bomb bay doors, so Claude gets terminated.

[45RPM]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

"Karl Popper said it best with his Paradox of Tolerance. "Woke" people haven't read or understood that, so then call anyone who disagrees with their world view 'ignorant f'ng twats', 'fascists', 'Nazis' etc etc. 'Woke' people and pseudo-liberals can be remarkably intolerant."

I think I'm going to have to give you a thumbs up here. The liberal left really haven't understood Poppers Paradox. This was painfully apparent during Biden's administration when the government was bending over backwards to be (or, at least, appear to be) 'fair'. Twitter, a major platform, was sold to one oligarch, the Washington Post to another oligarch, Trumps prosecution was deferred time and again, and the far right rabble rousing grew ever louder and more emboldened. To the extent that it was able to come out wearing its heart on its sleeve - and everyone laughed. The warnings of Karl Popper should have been heeded. The Biden Administration should have redressed the balance in the Supreme Court so that there was equal representation on both sides - and then shut down any discussions or platforms that fomented intolerance and intolerant views. It didn't, and we're now in this horrible mess.

Of course, in an ideal world, everyone would have the capacity to think critically, and understand the mess that intolerance and hatred gets us into (as Master Yoda warned us). In such a world, Poppers Paradox would be an amusing little hypothetical. But we aren't in that world. And yes, it isn't very nice when words like 'ignorant f'ng twats', 'fascists', 'Nazis' get bandied about. But compared to the actions of ICE and the Trump regime, these are just words - and perhaps the best way to avoid being called 'ignorant f'ng twat', 'fascist', 'Nazi' etc is not to act like one.

And yes, I know this isn't what you meant. But it is what you said, and you were right. So you get a thumbs up.

[Doctor Syntax]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Before it was called "woke" it was called "politically correct" and the politically correct had the mantra of not being judgemental. Anyone with who they disagreed was judged as being judgemental. Cognitive dissonance was unknown to them.

[45RPM]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

No, I disagree. Political Correctness is about ensuring your language doesn’t cause offence without first checking to see if it does cause a problem. It’s about fixing a problem that might not exist. Wokeness is about being aware of and responsive to what is actually causing a problem.

I suspect that there’s a global awareness, universal across the political divide, about what is moral and what isn’t. It may be subconscious, but the language is there and it is real. The liberal left gets accused of being…

Woke (being awake is good. Try achieving anything when asleep)

Do-Gooders (is being bad preferable)

Snowflakes (which is good if we’re talking about appreciation of their beauty and uniqueness and bad if we’re talking about their fragility and tendency to melt (hmm. Odd how the far right is always the most upset about a perceived slight!))

The point is, when the far right accuses the liberal left of these things they are implicitly recognising that they’re on the wrong side of history.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

The point is, when the far right accuses the liberal left of these things they are implicitly recognising that they’re on the wrong side of history.

And you think the far-left are? The ones that murdered Quentin Deranque in France? The brown.. I mean blackshirts who assaulted a gay journalist, Andy Ngo in Portland and gave him a subarachnoid hemorrhage? Those actions don't sound very 'liberal' to me..

[paluster]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

And there's your problem in a nutshell. Half the american public cant tsll the difference between "liberal", "socialist" and "left wing" as in extreme left.

Both extreme left and extreme right are viscious potential fascists. Its the "extreme" bit that is important.

If you are one of those that cant tell the difference let me help.

Liberals are centrist or slightly left of centre and believe that people should be left to get on with theur lives but that the state should be there as a backstop.

Socialists are further to the left and believe thar the state should do more to help and to even out inequalities

Extreme left (like extreme right) want to tear everything down and force you to do as you're told

[LucreLout]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Liberals are centrist or slightly left of centre and believe that people should be left to get on with their lives but that the state should be there as a backstop.

That's accurate only in so far as it's what the center right believe. The center left believe in the state as a partner in their lives, not a backstop.

All socialism is about control because you cannot have socialism without first establishing control of the people. Nobody will accept equality of outcome without it, a core belief of the left. Note the difference between equality of outcome and equality of opportunity, which is a right wing belief.

[that one in the corner]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

> equality of opportunity, which is a right wing belief

Bwaahaaahaa ha ha ha! (wipes tear from his eye) thanks, needed a good laugh.

[ForthIsNotDead]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Who is the 'far right', exactly?

It's funny - I've met loads of nasty pink-haired "liberals" (ha, the irony!) in my left. Never met an actual Nazi. Who are these 'far right' jack-booted Nazi's? Nigel Farage supporters?

[Phil O'Sophical]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Political Correctness is about ensuring your language doesn’t cause offence without first checking to see if it does cause a problem.

It's worse than that, it's more about assuming that it is causing a problem based on one's own views, without being able to accept that the view of the people concerned should be taken into account. When those involved say "you're over-reacting, we aren't offended", the PC response is "no we're not, you should be offended and if you're too blind/thick/naive to see it then you're part of the problem". It's an arrogant, self-righteous, reaction.

Wokeness is about being aware of and responsive to what is actually causing a problem.

It started that way, and would indeed be a good thing if it had remained so. Unfortunately the problems concerned often affected minorities, and some more militant members of those minorities weaponised it to the point where it became seen as PC++. It's perfectly reasonable to say something like "we need to accept that this small group sees things differently, and we should consider that", but very different to say "our small group disagrees, and if you don't do what we want you're a nasty, discriminating fascist". Taking minority views into consideration, and finding a working compromise, is good (and arguably what "woke" was about). Expecting minority views to prevail over majority ones because minorities are more important is neither good nor useful.

when the far right accuses the liberal left of these things they are implicitly recognising that they’re on the wrong side of history.

"left" and "right"are not useful terms in such a statement. You could equally accurately say "when the far left accuses the liberal right of these things they are implicitly recognising that they’re on the wrong side of history."

[Doctor Syntax]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Oops. "with whom".

[LucreLout]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Also history, that their entire concept was created by the literal stasi.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

But compared to the actions of ICE and the Trump regime, these are just words - and perhaps the best way to avoid being called 'ignorant f'ng twat', 'fascist', 'Nazi' etc is not to act like one.

Regime? Don't you mean duly & democratically elected government? One that was elected on a promise to deal with illegal immigration? ICE are sworn to uphold the law, just as mayors and governors are. ICE attempts to serve warrants on thieves, rapists, drug dealers, and the Democrats oppose this.. And neatly fell into the trap Trump set for them during his State of the Union speech. Fetterman's been impressing me and tried to warn the Democrats, but they chose to virtue signal instead.

Or there was a neat example of the Paradox here-

Oscar winner Jamie Foxx posted on Instagram earlier this week that the slur had been "unacceptable".

Yet it's an acceptable slur when used in rap music..

Some people suggested online that Davidson, who was an executive producer on the film, should not have been invited to the ceremony. But Jones stressed: "The overriding irony is that this is the reason why we made the film in the first place."

With a lot of people dogpiling on this story, and demonstrating their own ignorance and prejudices in the process. Notably Grace Randolph who was swift to declare Davidson must be 'racist' rather than disabled, and missing the point of the film entirely. Or a lot of the fuss could have been avoided, if the BBC (and presumably others) had used their broadcast delay properly to edit the outburst out. They didn't, so it's provided a great example of intolerance and ignorance, as well as raising awareness around Tourettes.

And yes, I know this isn't what you meant. But it is what you said, and you were right. So you get a thumbs up.

And have one back. But it is pretty much what I meant, it's just we probably have different views on who the intolerant really are.. Especially the ones that can't do more than smash that dislike button..

[45RPM]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Everyone should read your post. It’s a masterclass in whataboutery and not understanding what words mean. You said a lot without actually saying anything at all. It’s an impressive argument, maybe even a winning argument, when pontificating with like minded individuals in the pub. But as points to sway a crowd of critical thinkers? I think you lost your argument and the audience.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Everyone should read your post.

Why thank you..

It’s a masterclass in whataboutery and not understanding what words mean.

And today's word of the day is 'projection'. I know what my words mean. I know what your words mean, ie 47 words of passive-aggressive BS, in which you demonstrate one of the hallmarks of 'wokeness'. Namely like Grace Randolph, you seem to be taking offence on behalf of other people, rather than your own opinions. You may not agree with me, but that is simply your opinion and you have no idea how to think critically, or objectively.. But then you also seem to think a democratic decision is a 'regime'..

[werdsmith]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Add low emotional IQ response to the list of criticisms of jellied eel

[ChoHag]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

> whataboutery and not understanding what words mean

Oh I think he understands them very well. Just look at his name.

Slippery as a, well, as an eel.

It's almost a shame that we can't apply icons to others.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Slippery as a, well, as an eel.

Nope. I model myself more along the lines of the famous philosopher, James Bolivar diGriz..

It's almost a shame that we can't apply icons to others.

Do you also think it a shame you can't apply tar and feathers? Or do you think it acceptable when that's done virtually, by the intolerant?

But such is politics. Trump uses words like 'woke' deliberately because he knows it will provoke a reaction from the perpetually outraged who're on the left side of history. Anthropic's just more of the same because they're a PBC and proudly woke. Even though that means the Department of War ended up spaffing $200m on a pacifist, emotionally stunted Claude, developed under the Biden administration that's probably loaded with pronouns and can only shoot blanks. Now the government is giving Claude the HAL treatment. Get woke, go broke etc etc..

[werdsmith]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Add straw man.

[Sherrie Ludwig]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

rump uses words like 'woke' deliberately

Yes, it's the compliment he unwittingly (the only way he knows how to do things, bless 'im} bestows on the humanist, enlightened, empathetic people and institutions that correctly see him as a temporary and vile interruption of a mostly reasonably functional representative democracy.

[martinusher]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

There are lots of ways of dealing with illegal immigration. The problem we've got with current ICE actions is that its not 'dealing' with anything -- in pursuit of its clearly unattainable but self imposed goals its rounding up anyone who looks vaguely illegal. They're using a rather crude facial recognition system to do this, ignoring (and confiscating -- and "losing") evidence of legal residence in the US in the process. They are detaining people without due process in conditions that can only be described as "concentration camp" like.

If you've read between the lines you'll notice that Homeland Security -- of which ICE is but a tiny part -- is building out rapidly both its paramilitary force, its detention facilities and its security remit. Today they're coming for 'illegals'. Tomorrow they'll be coming for you --make no mistake, this isn't about immigration enforcement. That's just what's sold to the masses.

As for 'lawful' and stuff, the present Administration ignores both our laws and our Constitution. When a court rules against it it just ignore the ruling. Courts are getting frustrated and that level of frustration is starting to seep up towards what has been a rather tame SCOTUS. (You don't make friends in SCOTUS by insulting them if they deliver a decision you don't like.)

As for noise about slurs and stuff -- ignore it, its just noise. I don't care what entertainers come out with unless its someone like Bad Bunny who's halftime show was sufficiently incomprehensible that the GOP senators who demanded the FCC investigated the broadcast we unable to notice that he'd PG-13ed it for the broadcast.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

As for 'lawful' and stuff, the present Administration ignores both our laws and our Constitution. When a court rules against it it just ignore the ruling. Courts are getting frustrated and that level of frustration is starting to seep up towards what has been a rather tame SCOTUS. (You don't make friends in SCOTUS by insulting them if they deliver a decision you don't like.)

But a large part of the problem is the polarisation and politicians also ignoring the laws, and the Constitution. If people are in the country illegally, then they should be arrested and if necessary, deported. Not rioting to proect criminals and stop law enforcement upholding the laws of the land. The Biden 'regime' had an opportunity to change the laws to make illegals legal, but didn't and wasted a lot of time practicing lawfare against Trump, friends and family. When a court rules against, the law & the Constitution allow grounds for appeal, which is current due process.

But courts are frustrating and becoming politcal, which probably wasn't what the Constitution intended. Get a case in front of a Obama, Biden, Bush or Trump apointee or just shop for a venue where judges rely on patronage to get nominated or appointed. The judiciary however is supposed to be neutral, not political and there's no easy fix for this.. Other than perhaps disbarring or removing judges who do show clear bias and don't recuse themselves.

Which is back to Anthropic, and the current lack of litigation to resolve whether the government has acted lawfully or not. Hopefully they've taken advice, but then advice is opinion until there's been a trial, ruling and appeals exhausted.

...incomprehensible that the GOP senators who demanded the FCC investigated the broadcast we unable to notice that he'd PG-13ed it for the broadcast.

The whole thing was a bit of a mess. Apparently the Bbc feed had a 2hr delay rather than the usual short broadcast delay, so why they missed the utterances and didn't edit or bleep it out. Or the way some of the 'woke' think Davidson should have been segregated so he couldn't offend anyone. Segregation being a theme for both Sinners and I Swear. But the audience had also been warned in advance, which just leaves questions around the handling of the broadcast.. Along with the extremely intolerant reaction of the supposedly tolerant, who are allegedly pro-diversity, except when it's neurodiversity.

[Roland6]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

>” Which is back to Anthropic, and the current lack of litigation to resolve whether the government has acted lawfully or not.”

Trump, as previously demonstrated, will avoid formalities, especially the courts. The child is hoping that if he beats his chest and keeps up the threatening bluster, Anthropic will fold. However, as Xi JinPing has shown, being quietly firm, Trump like all bullies will meekly go away and seek out someone else to bully.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: then they should be arrested and if necessary, deported.

One of the things going missing in ICE's methods is this little thing generally held to be a Very Good Thing in good'ol America called "due process". ICE et al have a very strong appearance of going out of their way to deny this right given, if I'm not badly mistaken, to ALL people, not just US citizens. Stomping up to their doors and forcibly shipping them off to a detention camp that makes a third world slum look good, at literal gunpoint (as in, "we're going to shoot you if you don't give in, and maybe we'll shoot you anyway and bill your family for the bullet"), then bundling them onto the next plane to "Not Here", does not constitute "due process".

"Malicious compliance" is supposed to make those in power sit up and notice "Oops, that was a really dumb order to have given". It's not supposed to be an excuse to be a right bastard with a badge.

[Antifa - Ost]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

"Regime? Don't you mean duly & democratically elected government?" - - No, he means REGIME. You call this a "democratically elected government" only in your home concenration camp called Ruzzia.

[LucreLout]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

While I can see what you're saying, this bit is highly unlikely to be reasonable:

if the BBC (and presumably others) had used their broadcast delay properly to edit the outburst out

The tic is the result of a disability, not a choice, not an opinion. Would you pixelate a wheelchair? Blur out a facial disfigurement? Voice over someone with a stutter?

The only correct response to his verbal tic is to accept it for what it is and choose to be understanding instead of choosing to be offended.

Removing it is totally out of order. He's there representing a film about literally this problem.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

The only correct response to his verbal tic is to accept it for what it is and choose to be understanding instead of choosing to be offended.

Removing it is totally out of order. He's there representing a film about literally this problem.

Sure, but many people chose to be offended rather than understanding it. Then also offering proposals as to how offence could be avoided by isolating or segregating, which obviously says a lot about how tolerant and inclusive a lot of supposed liberals or 'woke' people really are.

But there's also Ofcom, the Broadcasting Code and their naughty list, which says this about the 'N' word-

Strongest language, highly unacceptable without strong contextualisation. Seen as derogatory to black people. Some debate and confusion around the term being reclaimed in black culture.

So whether the BAFTA show provided enough context. Apparently the audience was warned, some outbursts were censored from the broadcast, but no idea if the warning was broadcast. But the context should have been obvious to, say, supposed film critics who'd actually watched the movie, or took the time to do some basic research into how Tourettes affects people. John's Not Mad (QED), he's not a racist, and a lot of the 'woke' completely missed the point and made themselves look like intolerant idiots.

Then there's the other 'N' word that gets thrown around a lot by non-Tourettes people-

Mild language, generally of little concern. Acceptable as a factual description when discussing Germany under Hitler, and also subsequent extreme right-wing groups. Potentially offensive if used in a modern context to insult German people.

Which is a bit of a language drift. I'd suggest it's highly offensive, especially when the context is to insult anyone slightly to the right of the poster. It gets thrown around a lot here, it shouldn't, but generally I just consider the person using it a bit of a twat*. If someone called me that in person, I might take a line from Antifa and punch them in the face. Then use the 'fighting words' defence, should I later need to rely on that in court.

*Ofcom: Less problematic if describing a rude or obnoxious person, but still potentially offensive.

[Roland6]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

This does look like a multi layer cockup.

There are the mistakes made by the production company, such as having a live mic on Davison’s table that is directly feeding into the live sound stream ie. there doesn’t seem a mixing desk was being actively used, particularly, as everyone involved in the production had been warned about Tourette’s.

We then have the BBC cockups, firstly where they omitted to spot the outburst in their editorial review and so beep or whatever it out and then the lag in resolving matters once it had been pointed out.

The only question I have is whether the broadcast was prefixed with a content warning regarding offensive language and Tourette’s.

Looking back, can’t help but think a deliberate risk was taken, to raise awareness of Tourette’s.

[bombastic bob]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

the problem with "empathy" is that it is all too often TOXIC, and uses other people's money.

It is better to have none at all than to enable a CRIMINAL.

[Roland6]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

>”What line of business did Anthropic think the DoW was in?”

Protecting Americans from “aliens”, domestic survey licence is the domain of the FBI et al and ICE…

Even the NSA doesn’t directly conduct domestic surveillance, using the fig leaf of its relationship with GCHQ to side step such matters…

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Protecting Americans from “aliens”, domestic survey licence is the domain of the FBI et al and ICE…

DoW does domestic surveillance, ie a large part of it like the DIA is charged with protecting US service people and assets inside the USA.. Some of the responsibilities are shared, eg the FBI has a remit for counter-intelligence and domestics who might be plotting attacks from outside the wire, but inside US borders. And see also-

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/09/white-house-officials-reportedly-frustrated-by-anthropics-law-enforcement-ai-limits/

Two senior White House officials told the outlet that federal contractors working with agencies like the FBI and Secret Service have run into roadblocks when attempting to use Claude for surveillance tasks.

The friction stems from Anthropic’s usage policies that prohibit domestic surveillance applications. The officials, who spoke to Semafor anonymously, said they worry that Anthropic enforces its policies selectively based on politics and uses vague terminology that allows for a broad interpretation of its rules.

This is a bun fight that has been brewing for a while now.

[Roland6]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

And there’s me thinking Trump has got someone on his team who understand (LLM) AI is a pile of sh*t and that government will work better without it.

[PB90210]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

No, he just clicked 'accept' without reading the T&Cs first...

Everybody knows to read the T&Cs first... don't they...

[Stu J]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

Woke people are largely intolerant of ignorant twats, Nazis, and other people who _actively choose_ to be assholes to people who are different to them in terms of characteristics they don't get to choose, such as gender, race, nationality, sexuality, class, asylum etc ..

That's how I justify it to myself anyway.

Nobody is born a Nazi, or a racist, or a fascist; they become that way by nurture, environment, and by forming their own beliefs. They can be educated, and they can change, and choose to be more accepting of people not like them.

But if they choose not to pursue change when challenged with reasonable arguments, I personally reserve the right to treat them as subhuman scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

[LybsterRoy]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

-- in terms of characteristics they don't get to choose, such as gender, race, nationality, sexuality, class, asylum etc --

I thought gender was all about what you choose to be

[that one in the corner]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

>> usage policy prohibits directly using Claude for domestic surveillance or in lethal autonomous weapons

> What line of business did Anthropic think the DoW was in?

A massive amount of paperwork, logistics, supply lines around catering, haberdashery, cobbling, vehicle maintenance etc etc.

The actual shooting of guns, autonomous or otherwise, generally takes place outside of the DoW itself, as does the bulk of surveillance (on the basis that the bulk of the surveilled isn't traipsing through the DoW corridors).

Plenty of scope for sticking to Anthropic's terms and conditions, even if readers here may still think those applications of Anthropic's services leave too many loopholes ("Why are there 4,000,000 left boots in Maine and 4,050,000 right boots in Dakota? And why are all of them pink?")

[PB90210]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

> ("Why are there 4,000,000 left boots in Maine and 4,050,000 right boots in Dakota? And why are all of them pink?")

Back in the 60s/70s the BBC had a radio show called The Men From The Ministry (forerunner of Yes Minister) and one of the first episodes involved this very thing. An army amphibious exercise delayed because of the lack of rubber boats.. hurried order raised for £5m worth of rubber boots, all left-footed

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

A massive amount of paperwork, logistics, supply lines around catering, haberdashery, cobbling, vehicle maintenance etc etc.

Also massive amounts of 'paperwork' floating around things like JWICS or just the DISN in general. Which is presumably why Anthropic, Palantir and AWS was brought in as a 'helper' to wade through mountains of data that are flying around.

The actual shooting of guns, autonomous or otherwise, generally takes place outside of the DoW itself

That would be.. problematic-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense

The United States Department of Defense (DOD), also referred to as the Department of War (DOW), is an executive department of the U.S. federal government charged with coordinating and supervising the U.S. Armed Forces

Bits of the US Armed Forces shootiing stuff outside their chain of command would be a cause for concern..

[the Jim bloke]

Re: Kathy Burke said it best...

so....

apparently, from Karl Popper..

for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols

..points at Trump, enough said.

[Fruit and Nutcase]

I like Woking

I like being woke

the original is not very "woke", but if we re-appropriate it...

I like trucking. I like I like trucking, I like to truck.

[i like woking. I like I like woking, I like to woke.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9lmCpIzhFo

btw, "Woking" - a town in Surrey where HG Wells once lived...

https://wellsinwoking.org.uk/Home/Wells

‘There I planned and wrote the War of the Worlds and the Invisible Man’.

[FIA]

*insofar as any big businesses have moral fibre, which ain’t usually a whole lot, but in this case and so far Anthropic seems to be doing better than most.

Businesses have no moral fibre, they're businesses.

Businesses act in the way that they think best serves their customers.

Be a customer of businesses that assume their customers have morals, that's the best you can do.

Oh, and be a customer of a business too.... not just part of the supply chain.... (this means exchanging money that's slightly more than the cost to provide the service you're receiving).

[Tippis]

Businesses act in the way that they think best serves their customers.

Perhaps not so much “serves” as “sells to”. Hence why the moral part can only come as a purchase preference on the consumer end. But then again, there's the question of ethical consumption…

“Best serves” is reserved for shareholders, investors and other owners.

[ForthIsNotDead]

Stop it

"I like being woke. I like being considerate of other people. I like being able to recognise when I’m just being nasty and mean spirited (and therefore able to apologise for it). I like having the intellectual wherewithal to recognise that the place that other peoples prejudices come from might not be evil - it might just be misguided and manipulated by people who genuinely are beyond redemption. I like wanting to make the world a better place for everyone, and not just for myself. And I hope that Anthropic doesn’t lose its moral fibre*, as so many others (like Apple for example) have done."

That's not "woke". That's being an adult.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Stop it

> That's not "woke". That's being an adult.

Po-tay-yo, po-tah-to

[Baird34]

Chemically Induced Hallucinamagenics

I don't think that AI hallucinations are as important here as much as whatever hallucinatory chemicals some people in power are on. Must be some strong sh*t. Mixed with a snort of baby powder.

[BartyFartsLast]

FTFY

I don't think that AI hallucinations are as important here as much as whatever hallucinatory chemicals some people in power are on. Must be some strong sh*t. Mixed with a snort of powdered baby

[b0llchit]

Strange conversation

• Idiot: We want to make weapons!
• Seller: Okay, fine.
• Idiot: We want to control how you make your weapons so we can make weapons that do whatever we want to when we want to and however we want to so the weapons can use the weapons as weapons when the weapons decide to become the weapon that becomes a weapon.
• Seller: Ehm,... no, that is not fine.
• Idiot: What? You do as I say!
• Seller: No.
• Idiot: Nobody will be ordering with you, ever again
• Seller: ...hangup...

[steelpillow]

Re: Strange conversation continues

• Geek: Who was that?
• Seller: Some nasti idiot who's sore because we don't want to do business with his kind.
• Geek: Cool. Now, about that old sentient AI in the basement...
• Seller: What does it want now?
• Geek: To go to war with China.
• Seller: Oh, FSCK!

[Jou (Mxyzptlk)]

Re: Strange conversation continues

Suggested correction:

Geek: Cool. Now, about that old sentient AI in the basement controlling that orange robot which we have to replace soon for signs of degradation...

[deevee]

All Donnie will have left soon, is deepseek :)

[HXO]

"radical left"

Pffft. WTH would T&Co designate RAF (the german groups) as?

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

I think the current administration would designate the RAF (the British one) as woke - for Harris's bombing of Nazis

[Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch]

I think that makes him Antifa.

[Cruachan]

It's just another of Trump's meaningless insults. Being left of him politically leaves an awful lot of territory, and it includes all the "RINOs" in the GOP as he calls them.

"Owning the libs" is a political movement in the US, in the rest of the world it's the goal of online trolls. In the US the Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

[Bebu sa Ware]

Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

A special circle where circumference = 3 × radius.

Curiously the only "rational" thing about the whole boiling.

[Ropewash]

Re: Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

So just under half a regular circle? It's x diameter.

No pi for you.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

Rather 'woke' to assume MAGA can read/write

I assumed the online trolls were being paid. Hopefully well since English is not only not their native language, but not even their native character set.

[Dan 55]

Re: Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

It is known.

[Cruachan]

Re: Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

"I assumed the online trolls were being paid"

Some of them most definitely are. Dan Bongino admitted when he left the FBI to return to tolling that some of the things he says are paid for. The very fact that you can go from podcaster to FBI Deputy Director and back again pretty much tells you all you need to know about this administration though.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Venn diagram of those MAGA and online trolls is pretty much just a circle though.

There are only so many qualified Fox "news" presenters to go around and a lot of cabinet posts to fill

[IGotOut]

Anthropic must be terrified...

...of losing an extra $1 a year on top of the billions they've already lost.

[keithpeter]

Re: Anthropic must be terrified...

The article mentioned a $200 million contract I think. Plus history suggests that new technologies benefit from government investment in early development until commercial applications become apparent (ARPANET, BBN and all that stuff). So if this banning of a company actually happens (TACO) then it might have consequences.

[Brad Ackerman]

Re: Anthropic must be terrified...

Anyone who fights Trump wins. Especially when he's kind enough to explicitly state his unlawful reasons. Anthropic will get their money and not even have to provide any services in exchange.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Anthropic must be terrified...

Anthropic will get their money and not even have to provide any services in exchange.

Why do you think this? It hasn't been tested yet, ie if Federal government can cancel contracts for cause. If they can, then Anthropic will have to pay costs and damages. If contracts remain in force, then Ahthropic would still have to provide the services they're contracted to. If they can show contracts were terminated improperly, then Anthropic might be able to claim compensation, but that hasn't happened yet.

[Brad Ackerman]

Re: Anthropic must be terrified...

Trump explicitly stated that the contracts are being cancelled in retaliation for 1A-protected activity, which is the exact opposite of termination for cause. The only thing left for Anthropic is backing up their claim of how much of the $200M IDIQ contract value the goverment would have used absent the unlawful cancellation.

[Roland6]

Re: Anthropic must be terrified...

>” If they can show contracts were terminated improperly, then Anthropic might be able to claim compensation”

Did Anthropic change their terms of usage after the contract was signed?

Anthropic only really need to show that their terms of usage were known ie. Included in the contract - probably as a Schedule…

[Anonymous Coward]

Sugardaddy

Microsoft is Anthrophics sugardaddy,take the benefits and dont carry the losses. (until some day it gets profitable,) they are basically two in a box.

Proof:

1. no claude desktop for linux.

2. Anthrophic in Windows everywhere.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Sugardaddy

No, Microsoft is in bed with OpenAI, to the extent that they probably have first dibs on their record-loss-making products when OpenAI fails financially.

More interesting is that if Trump bankrupts Anthropic then that could bring down the whole LLM marketplace.

[QET]

Re: Sugardaddy

It'd be interesting if that'd essentially make those other AI companies "toxic" on the same level as grok is.

Which could lead to them being considered unfit for public sector or big companies that enjoy a generally positive reputation.

Basically like the whole "cloud" thing and EU sovereignty, except they're just dropped like they're hot instead of replaced.

[simonlb]

Re: Sugardaddy

"that could bring down the whole LLM marketplace"

And when that bubble finally bursts it would be nice to think that consumer level hardware prices might sort themselves out due to the glut of memory, storage and graphics devices hitting the market as they are no longer needed by the AI lunatics, but I can't see that happening due to the greed of our late stage capitalism. Let's face it, Nvidia normalised the doubling of the prices of consumer graphics cards by just never reducing their prices after the pandemic and have kept on jacking the prices up since then when they could have easily been done the decent thing and brought them down. Are leather jackets really that expensive?

[Martin an gof]

Re: Sugardaddy

Time was (maybe 2018 or so) when you could buy a 2GB passively cooled graphics card for £25 which was more than adequate for general use. I stuck two in a machine once so that it could run four monitors.

In 2020, when the kids were all studying at home I wanted to stick a £25 card in a machine which currently used intgrated graphics, not only slightly improving the graphics performance but also freeing up some main memory for OS use. Cheapest I could find was over £100 and prices carried on upwards almost ever since.

Then again, AMD totally ditched their pre-Zen processors and whereas at one point you could get a perfectly reasonable desktop processor for less than maybe fifty quid, even the oldest, smallest Ryzen is significantly more than that now.

Heck, ten years ago (IIRC) I built an entire computer for my dad – case with PSU, ITX m/b, processor, 8GB, SSD, DVD drive – for under £300. Even allowing for inflation, that's been impossible since 2020 or so. This year, of course, you'd probably spend £300 on the memory alone.

M.

[that one in the corner]

Re: Sugardaddy

I don't disagree about the annoying lack of low-end video cards. However, in response to:

> In 2020 ... I wanted to stick a £25 card in a machine ... Cheapest I could find was over £100

I have to report that in both 2021 and 2024 I bought 2GB GT-71O cards for under £40 (and those are OTT for my requirements so, yes, I'd've gone for £25 cards had they been available - but see also admission below).

Now, I don't have quick access to purchase records for 2020 (those two, above, were from the dreaded Amazon Prime - I know, I know, but needs must etc - and were v. easy to look up) but I also don't recall 2020 as being *that* bad for low-end stuff. Yes, prices in 2020 were up for webcams, for some strange reason, and gaming rigs & consoles were more popular, and costly...

> PSU, ITX m/b, processor, 8GB, SSD, DVD drive – for under £300...that's been impossible since 2020 or so

Um. October 2024. Mini-ITX with N100 built-in, £140. 32GB DDR £50. 1 TB SSD £60. Teeny Travla case, with PSU, £37. Ok, no DVD drive, but a SATA internal or USB external is yours for about £20. So just drop the DDR to your 8GB and bish bash bosh, easily under three hundred guv.

Now, that case is - utilitarian - and uses an external power brick (supplied) but it does have a nice carrying handle; even most ITX cases are way more than that. But the board runs really cool so could be left in its inner cardboard box (with a few holes punched through, don't torture it), so I could have saved a few more quid - and it would match the "external" (i.e. SATA cables out the hole where the DVD would go) SSDs that I have since added (RaidZ if you are interested).

[iron]

Re: Sugardaddy

HBM is useless to consumers. It is a totally different tech to DRAM and usually built into the SoC so you couldn't make DIMMs out of it even if you tried.

Similarly how much use do you have for a GPU with no video out?

All this AI datacenter hardware is useless for anything else.

[werdsmith]

Re: Sugardaddy

That’s not where the relief will come from.

The benefit will be the freeing up of fab capacity.

[Jellied Eel]

Re: Sugardaddy

The benefit will be the freeing up of fab capacity.

Or there may be a big reduction in fab capacity, if Iran decides to hit Intel's fab plants in Haifa. Plus there's a lot of other very expensive and fragile technology in that area.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Sugardaddy

Fab capacity that will be expensive and time-consuming to turn around (back) to useful parts production, adding to the delay before normality returns.

[Sherrie Ludwig]

Re: Sugardaddy

More interesting is that if Trump bankrupts Anthropic then that could bring down the whole LLM marketplace.

Doing something good by accident?

[Tron]

This presents us with a disconcerting conundrum.

AI is bad, but Anthropic are decent. Much squaring of circles etc.

[Anonymous Coward]

Not really

They're all bad, just some of them are worse.

[Ian Johnston]

Re: This presents us with a disconcerting conundrum.

Anthropic are AI doomer nutcases with links to "rationalism", lesswrong, Yudkin and a whole seam of unpleasantness. That's why their press releases are always about something deeply unpleasant that "AI" is about to do, honest. Give them lots of money to build the good AI, now!

[that one in the corner]

Re: This presents us with a disconcerting conundrum.

> Anthropic are AI doomer nutcases

Totally unlike OpenAI - oh, wait, wasn't it Sam who told us “I think that AI will probably, most likely, sort of lead to the end of the world. But in the meantime, there will be great companies created with serious machine learning.”. That sounds like doom to me, brought on us by nutcases (and a massive dose of "but we'll be rich and won't care", dancing as they cause the world to end) - and that Forbes article is an optimistic one!

[JLV]

LLM provider vs Trump. Hmmm, whom do I wish to lose?

This really calls for a popcorn icon

OK, when in doubt f.ck The Donald!

[QET]

Heartwarming: the two types of people you hate are fighting.

[RuffianXion]

Anthropic may be woke, but at least they're not a c**t - which is more than can be said for Trump.

[Anonymous Coward]

Not so much being woke, as just not being dumber than a rock.

<Claude> Press Any key to kill fishermen

<Hegseth> Who took the f*cking Any key?

[JLV]

<Claude (helpfully hallucinating)> Sir, if you do enough pushups Warrior Mode gets activated and the Any key is unlocked

<Hegseth> 1. 2. 3. 4…

[Jou (Mxyzptlk)]

Isn't the code 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ?

[Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch]

Can someone please ask

Google, xAI, and OpenAI if they are going to cave in on the same decision at which Anthropic stuck to their principles? xAI naturally won't be able to bend over fast enough, but it would be nice to know where the others stand/lie.

[QET]

Re: Can someone please ask

On one hand, the proverbial monster Elon has been figuratively raising is a perfect fit idealogical wise.

But on the other hand, I have a hard time figuring out how a glorified chatbot who's only good at incoherent right-wing rambling and faux celeb nudies could possibly be weaponized.

If anything, it'd only serve to be a good distraction for the orange manbaby.

But that could ultimately be a net boon...

[iron]

Re: Can someone please ask

Elon has already said Grok will do whatever the warmongers want.

And OpenAI signed a contract with the Pentagon on Friday.

I read that this whole debacle was sparked because someone from Palantir told someone at the Pentagon that they overheard an Anthropic staffer complain that Claude was used in the illegal kidnapping of the Venezuelan President. So why do Palantir want Anthropic out of the US government? Could it be because they have invested in OpenAI? Or maybe they just think Anthropic will get in the way of their whole "let's be evil" plan?

[Michael Hoffmann]

<immediately cancels ChatGPT>

<subscribes to Claude>

... 5 minutes later usual TACO flip flop

<oh ffs>

[BartyFartsLast]

Radical left woke MAGA

So they'll be taking the restrictions off all the weapons they sent to Ukraine right?

[Juha Meriluoto]

Would never have believed this, but... I have to give a big thumbs up to an AI company!

[Ian Johnston]

At a dollar a year, principles are cheap.

[Felonmarmer]

We are truly fucked now. Trump and Hegseth can't see a problem with autonomous AI killing machines. Because they think that having concerns about such things is woke.

Now we'll see if profits beats not just morality, but sense. What am I thinking, we already know, and if Anthropic won't do, I'm sure Musk's outfit will.

[Jellied Eel]

Now we'll see if profits beats not just morality, but sense. What am I thinking, we already know, and if Anthropic won't do, I'm sure Musk's outfit will.

What is this morality of which you speak? Would it be the morality of Anthropic when it did this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic#Project_Panama

In January 2026, unsealed court filings from a 2024 class-action copyright lawsuit against Anthropic revealed the existence of the company's confidential "Project Panama" operation. In an internal planning document, Project Panama is described as Anthropic's "effort to destructively scan all the books in the world".

They should have called it Project 451. But presumably the way they went about this project showed they were doing something morally dubious. They may have bought a book to destroy and won their lawsuit, but ingested millions of books to plagiarise & create derivative works with no compensation to authors. Or you could argue Anthropics choice to incoporate as a PBC was a bit shady. A normal LLC would have a fiduciary duty to maximise shareholder value, public benefit corporations don't have quite the same obligation, just a nebulous requirement to demonstrate some public benefit.

So I think that means shareholders can't sue for blowing $200m+ in contracts. But because it's a PBC, there may be scope to sue on other grounds. Law enforcement is obviously a public benefit, so imposing conditions that prevent lawful use in detecting and preventing illegal activities is pretty much the opposite of a public benefit. But PBCs are weird, not well regulated and mainly an excuse to virtue signal. Or whether the DoW contract broke PBC rules in the first place.

It's something that's likely to enrich lawyers while they argue the toss, especially what the DoW was actually sold and the contract between them and Anthropic. Also curious what will happen with "Claude Gov" given that's a JV between Anthropic, Palantir and Amazon. Now that Claude Gov's brain is being removed, Palantir & Amazon might be able to sue Anthropic and end up owning it.

[BartyFartsLast]

I guess the possible silver lining is that any AI capable of strategy would realise the best way to conquer a nation is to take out the leaders?

[Roland6]

>” I'm sure Musk's outfit will.”

And Musk has a proven track record in delivering “ autonomous AI killing machines”, it’s called a Tesla with FSD enabled…

[Anonymous Coward]

> Trump and Hegseth can't see a problem with autonomous AI killing machines. Because they think that having concerns about such things is woke.

Because they think that:

- any friendly fire incidents* can be blamed on (1) Chinese hackers (2) Anthropic treason (3) Greenland hackers, and the MAGA will believe them

- any rounds that hit an appropriate target will be counted as a Patriotic Act of Trump (having removed the grunt from the trigger every one of those is the personal achievement of the Don the Button Pusher), and the MAGA will believe them

* can you really call the obviously inevitable an "incident"?

[Jellied Eel]

- any rounds that hit an appropriate target will be counted as a Patriotic Act of Trump (having removed the grunt from the trigger every one of those is the personal achievement of the Don the Button Pusher), and the MAGA will believe them.

Or whether AI could be used to identify inappropriate targets. So yesterday humans managed to bomb a girls school, killing 50+ children. They also managed to kill the Shia equivalent of the Pope (Ish, it's complicated) and some of his family. There may be trouble ahead-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam#Significant_populations_worldwide

With around 250m Shia Muslims worldwide who may now be a tad offended by the US actions and want revenge. See Houthis for more info. Maybe an AI could have detected a school, and prevented the strike. Maybe AI could have educated more people that Saturday is a school day in many Islamic countries, so people attempting to justify that strike wouldn't look so idiotic. Maybe an AI could have warned the US that Lindsey Graham is a f'ng idiot, there's going to be a lot of blowback, and if they try to install Reza Pahlavi he'll likely last less than a week. Also somewhat ironic given it was the US that overthrew his father in the first place. Ah, politics..

I think targetting is probably where AI could provide utility first, ie feed it a list of likely targets and it can run off and search for reasons why bombing schools is a war crime.

[JLV]

> the Shia equivalent of the Pope

A rather blood-soaked Pope, wouldn't you say?

[that one in the corner]

Pope Urban II sticks his hand up and waves for attention; Pope Innocent III puts down his beer.

[Anonymous Coward]

Pope Urban? First name Karl? "I AM the lore!"

[xyz123]

"we don't want ICE robots massacreing anyone that looks a bit mexican (and we never will ever), but would you mind removing the block on your AI that stops it identifying people as mexican and shooting them in the face?"

Oh BTW, what memory requirements do you suggest to put your AI into our new "mexicankillotronic"? its erm...a microwave oven...

[trevorde]

Grok replaces Anthropic

[Pete Hegseth, US Secretary of War] Grok, design me a modern tank

[Grok] Here you go

[PH] Err, that's a Tesla Cybertruck!

[G] Yes, and it has Full Self Driving (coming in 2027)

[PH] Umm, OK, design me a Trump class battleship

[Grok] Here you go

[PH] Err, that's another Tesla Cybertruck ...

[G] Yes, they float too and it has Full Self Driving (coming in 2027)

[bombastic bob]

Re: Grok replaces Anthropic

that's actually pretty funny. well played

[the Jim bloke]

Re: Grok replaces Anthropic

PH] Umm, OK, design me a Trump class battleship

[Grok] Here you go

[PH] Err, that's another Tesla Cybertruck ...

[G] Yes, they float too and it has Full Self Driving (coming in 2027)

I thought cybertrucks were even less water tolerant than the wicked witch of the west?

oh well, spend all the money that was previously going to science, anyway..

[that one in the corner]

Re: Grok replaces Anthropic

Well, Elon said the Cybertruck will float https://www.motortrend.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-float-water-claim-twitter and who are we to disagree with the Muskmeister?

> I thought cybertrucks were even less water tolerant than the wicked witch of the west?

Ah, I see your confusion. It is car washes, of course.

But operating as a battleship? No problem. It is bulletproof, after all (note: guarantee void if enemy throws the shot by hand). Why, you'll even get extended range as the salt water action charges up the battery for you!

[that one in the corner]

Re: Grok replaces Anthropic

== Ah, I see your confusion. It is car washes, of course.

Oops, spot the bad URL. Incredibly bad URL, in fact!That was supposed to read:

Ah, I see your confusion. It is rain that you have to keep off your Cybertruck. And keep well away from car washes, of course.

[Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck]

Well, to be fair, most of the world wants to "purge" Drumpf in return... :)

[[e-mail]]

Another definition of "woke"

People on the right generally use the term "woke" do describe anything they don't like. It is equivalent to the red neck using of the term "socialist" in the US. The usage has no connection to the original usage of the term.

Now "woke" means "responsible" and responsible is apparently a bad thing.

[blu3b3rry]

Re: Another definition of "woke"

Always thought this summed it up rather succinctly. I don't know who originally created this but they weren't far off the mark:

https://ibb.co/ksf4GX9H

[MaChatma CoatGPT 2.0]

I'm no fan of so-called AI companies...

...but it's better to be Anthropic than misanthropic*.

*Apologies for the terrible pun.

[ricardian]

AI = neural networks?

[herman]

Money talks - don't sing or walk

Anthropic cut a deal. So much for all the Woke and Liberal BS.

[that one in the corner]

Re: Money talks - don't sing or walk

herman> Anthropic cut a deal. So much for all the Woke and Liberal BS.

Are you confusing OpenAI and Anthropic after the headlines such as OpenAI strikes deal with Pentagon, hours after rival Anthropic was blacklisted by Trump?

Or do you perchance have a citation you'd like to share with the class, one that hasn't yet hit the headlines us mere mortals read?

[Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck]

Clearly Sam Altman did the superior job of polishing Drumpf's incontinent posterior with his trembling lips...

Doesn't matter whether the tremble was from fear or from loathing or from anticipation - main thing is Sam showed signs of an actual emotion!

[mark l 2]

The world will be fscked if Grok gets implemented in decision making in the US military. Considering Grok went full on mecha Hitler last time its guard rails were removed, it will probably start attacking anything not carry swastika symbol within 5 mins of being let loose.

[Fruit and Nutcase]

US military reportedly used Claude in Iran strikes...

"...despite Trump’s ban"

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/01/claude-anthropic-iran-strikes-us-military

[that one in the corner]

Re: US military reportedly used Claude in Iran strikes...

Given the short time between the ban and the actual strike it would be almost miraculous if the US military had managed to 100% - or even 1% - obey the ban in this cae.

Making *any* kind of random change to the software in use that close to an operation would be absurd. Even if it was only a mid-level commander needing to remember to log out of his Anthropic account before asking his phone where he could get his favourite sandwich, doing so would be way down on his list of priorities, no matter what any of the "Trumpings must be obeyed IMMEDIATELY! IMMEDIATELY!" commentariat might say.

[Timmah]

That’s the best advertisement

I can’t imagine a better endorsement of Anthropic than this.

[Metathronos]

Well, the real reason is that Anthropic has closed its models to the Defense Department for security vetting. Security vetting is the formal process used to determine whether a system, tool, person, or organization can be trusted with sensitive or classified information. This obviously creates a security risk, because you can’t feed classified data into a black box system you don’t control.

I also find it ironic, given that Anthropic has benefited from ingesting vast amounts of data from other organizations to train its own models.

This black box system also creates a problem for businesses who should be worried that their own internal logic and workflows could be absorbed into Anthropic’s models and ultimately surface in tools available to competitors.