back to article Harvard boffins finally crack the mystery of squeaky sneakers

It is a sound evocative of high school: the characteristic squeak of sneakers on a basketball court. UK readers may, however, be familiar with the same sound from their trainers while playing badminton. Whichever it is, how exactly the sound is produced has been a mystery - until now. The high-pitched tones have often been …

  1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Pint

    tiny triboelectric discharges

    One of these just for including that comment in the piece! --->

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: tiny triboelectric discharges

      I have a friend who suffers from that problem.

      1. Philo T Farnsworth Silver badge

        Re: tiny triboelectric discharges

        Would that friend be a cat by any chance?

        BTW, after solving the problem of squeaky sneakers they're moving on to investigating sneaky squeakers.

  2. Ian Johnston Silver badge
    Holmes

    So it's not "stick-slip"; it's "... the rubber surface, contacting and then releasing from the glass," Or, to put it another way, sticking and then slipping. Great. I'm glad they've cleared that up.

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      The mystery explained in the article is the previously unexplained characterization of the squeak, including why it is a "squeak".

      1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        It's sticking and slipping at a high frequency. I'm guessing final year engineering project which for an American university ( their final year's are about the same as our second or third because of the whisky broad curriculum) ain't too bad.

        1. MJB7
          Boffin

          Final year projects aren't usually led by a postdoctoral researcher (which this was).

          Icon: TFA is a report about actual boffinry!

    2. brainwrong Bronze badge

      I read it as being a vertical wave motion of the rubber, individual bits of the surface lifting off the glass and re-settling in a different place, the whole moving along like an 80's bodypopper.

  3. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Headmaster

    It would have to a line ball…

    whether they get an Ig Nobel. Might be the first Ig for work published in Nature.

    As often happens the original problem will likely remain unaddressed but the work itself will have much more profound and unforeseen uses.

  4. EarthDog

    Finally, research with sole

    1. David 132 Silver badge

      The researcher's idea to use the glass's property of toe-tal internal reflection was inspired; heel go far.

      1. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge

        The researchers shoe-d be awarded more money for further research.

        1. Apocalypso - a cheery end to the world Bronze badge

          Well, someone's got to foot the bill.

          1. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

            You're just trying to court controversy.

            1. Korev Silver badge
              Coat

              Put a sock in it!

    2. gerryg

      Tread carefully

      What's their carbon footprint?

  5. stiine Silver badge
    Pint

    ulterior motives?

    I'm sure they didn't include NCAA March Madness tickets, and NBA playoff tickets along with travel expenses in their grant proposals...

  6. xyz Silver badge

    I'm sure Nike or Adidas...

    will be along shortly to copyright the noise and improve on it...maybe they'll include AI.

    1. ThatOne Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: I'm sure Nike or Adidas...

      > copyright the noise

      Even better: Shape the sole so the squeaking sound actually spells their brand: Imagine your shoes going "nike, nike" each time you walk on a parquet... OK, I admit it would be way more difficult to make them squeak "adidas"... :-D

    2. the Jim bloke

      Re: I'm sure Nike or Adidas...

      it will be the cries for help from their underage workers...

  7. Bill Gray Silver badge

    Applications?

    I can see why people would immediately think "Ig Nobel prize material", but I could see a few uses for this.

    My partner in joys and sorrows teaches violin lessons, so the comment in The Fine Article about "the sound of a violin bow moving against... [a] string" caught my attention. My office is in the room next to her studio, so I frequently hear beginning players struggle to get that bit to sound good. [0] There are inevitable "strangling cat" noises produced before they get the hang of it.

    If I were a manufacturer of violin bows or strings, I might take an interest in this research.

    Similarly, anyone using rubber for braking (bicycle brakes, sneaker manufacturers, etc.) might be able to learn something from this. Maybe to make the brakes less noisy, or abrade less, or be quieter, or stop you quicker.

    [0] You get used to it pretty quickly.

    1. Ken Shabby Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Applications?

      The strangling cat noises, implies the manufacture of home made cat gut for the strings.

    2. cd Silver badge

      Re: Applications?

      Bicycle rim brake shoes can be quieted by toeing-in so the application is graduated, been practiced for decades. Shoes from the 1970s sometimes had that capability built-in to the mounting, or one tweaked the arms a bit.

      Disc brake pads on cars and motorcycles often include dampening shims and goop layers on the back side, which work so well that pads routinely wore through to the metal backing plate, causing overheating and damage.

      As a result of that, many pads are equipped with a metal tongue that contacts the brake disk and starts squeaking when the pad reaches replacement wear level.

      1. Ropewash

        Re: Applications?

        Reminds me of an old pickup truck I owned in my youth. Rusty rotor cut right through the pad, the backing plate and into the piston surface. I'd grown so used to the noise that I didn't bother to check until it went from squawking to crunching. Many hours of dirt-backlot repairs later a lesson was learned.

        1. The Organ Grinder's Monkey Bronze badge

          Re: Applications?

          I'm guessing that there will have been a significant reduction in braking when the disc went metal-to-metal with the pad's backing, & as that's unlikely to have happened simultaneously on both sides of the vehicle it should have pulled violently to one side under braking 'till the other side wore through too?

          I'm assuming too that, this being an old truck, it would have had drum brakes on the rear, so this must have been a front brake, so that pull would usually be violent enough to break your grip on the steering wheel if braking hard.

          There's a couple of YouTube channels that just post compilations of "you wouldn't believe what I found on a customers car today" clips from mechanics. Brake discs worn through such that the pads are running on the disc's exposed cooling fins is commonplace, as are discs that have parted company from their bells. Most horrifying is the "customer declined repairs" caption on some absolute deathtraps. A high proportion of those seem to be from the US. Presumably some states have no annual safety testing? Can that really be true in 2026? France used to be the same, but there, if you had a crash & your vehicle was found to be defective, they really threw the book at you.

          From memory "Just rolled in" & "mechanical nightmares" are two of the better channels.

      2. Bill Gray Silver badge

        Re: Applications?

        I think the "noisemaker" bit has become quite common. My recent cars (and I drive old junk) have alerted me in that manner, and my mechanic confirmed that I'd heard the "warning noises" rather than "take out a bank loan" noises. Basically the same idea as having a cheap fuse blow out rather than expensive hardware. (Except that usually, the expensive hardware sacrifices itself to save the cheap fuse.)

    3. the Jim bloke
      Coat

      Re: Applications?

      the better you are at hanging, the less strangling noises are emitted

  8. richdin

    Like rubbing a wet fingertip around the rim of a wineglass to make it sing...

  9. Test Man

    Maybe Nike could look at this next time they decide to remake the Nike Reax trainers.

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