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Your next Mac might be made in the US of A. Apple this week revealed plans to manufacture its most affordable Macintosh computer at a new Foxconn facility in Texas. The saying goes that everything is bigger in Texas, except where it concerns Apple, which expects to begin Mac Mini production at a 220,000 square foot facility in …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Welp

    No thanks.

    Last recruiter who contacted me wanted me to move to Texas. I told him to fuck that MAGA redneck hellhole without even hearing the number.

    Would rather buy a computer made in China than in Trumpistan.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Welp

      Not all of Texas is like that and it's changing faster than many think. However, I still wouldn't want to live there myself not even to assemble Mac Minis.

      1. Excused Boots Silver badge

        Re: Welp

        "Not all of Texas is like that and it's changing faster than many think. However, I still wouldn't want to live there myself not even to assemble Mac Minis.”

        Of course if sufficient people who think like yourself were to move there, how long until it becomes a ‘blue’ State?

        Just a thought.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Welp

      Is this the same sort of fake new factory as in Trump 1.0 ??

      That would be quite a thing to open it twice.

      https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fact-check-trump-apple-plant-texas

      Also Whatever happened Foxconn mega plant in Wisconsin? More Trump 1.0 vapourware….

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/08/wisconsin-foxconn-factory-residents-displaced

      1. Joe Gurman Silver badge

        Re: Welp

        No, the building already exists and most of it is dedicated to building Apple’s in-house AI servers.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Welp

          If you didn’t ready the article, the Austin already existed assembling bespoke high end Mac’s and some server kit to support Apple’s cloud.

          It was never a new factory, or an additional unit being added.

          At least it makes/assembles stuff - from components made overseas - unlike Foxconn’s Wisconsin Warehouse.

    3. samsungfreud

      Re: Welp

      I love it here.

      I can walk between buildings and catch a snake on a really good day.

      Rattlers only if I have my snake tongs, non poisonous bare handed.

    4. spoofles

      Re: Welp

      Libtards are Californing Texas hoping to escape all fo the problem created by politics like your but hopelessly recreating the worker paradise that is the DPRCA.

      Houston comes to mind, you could move there.

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    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Welp

      That's very unpatriotic and communist of you, well done, more jobs for China than the US. When are you relocating there?

  2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Trollface

    First off the production line

    Would that be a gold plated Mac Mini which will be presented to Trump at the White House by Tim Cook?

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Re: First off the production line

      He'd ask what version of Windows is installed?

      1. Ryan D

        Re: First off the production line

        More likely to ask where the bread goes.

        1. QET
          Trollface

          Re: First off the production line

          "where's my FREEDOM!! fries?"

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: First off the production line

        Not a terrible choice. I have a dual-booted 2015 MacBook Air which runs Windows and Linux just fine (and liveboots).

        Needed some tweaks but so did Sonoma (like, disabling dozens of unnecessary services).

        -AbI

        1. Lazlo Woodbine Silver badge

          Re: First off the production line

          I'm not sure you can dual boot with Apple silicon, now you need to run windows in a VM

    2. steviebuk Silver badge

      Re: First off the production line

      You mean Tim Apple. You should now be renamed Tim Kiss Arse Apple considering the amount of knee bending he's been doing. I really disliked Steve Jobs, he was a royal cunt, but I think even he wouldn't have bent the knee. However, not so sure. He really wanted jailbreaking made illegal but thankfully a judge tossed it. If tango man offered that, he'd probably be kissing the fat arse as well.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: First off the production line

      He likes the Big Mac, not the Mac Mini

    4. APro

      Re: First off the production line

      Please $DEITY no!!! No more Gold!!! The White House had a subtle elegance and grandeur in it's understated white purity. Now it's starting to look like a scaled up version of "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"!!!

      Gold prices will plummet soon because of it; which at least that might make computers cheaper I suppose. <sigh!>

      1. QET

        Re: Now it's starting to look like a scaled up version of "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"!!!

        He was good buds with Epstein, so not out of character for him...

  3. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Its most affordable Macintosh

    Well, that accolade is going by the wayside.

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Re: Its most affordable Macintosh

      Hey, is this an electric computer? I want one that runs on gasoline!

      1. LBJsPNS Silver badge

        Re: Its most affordable Macintosh

        Gasoline? Feh. Coal-fired!

      2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Flame

        Re: Its most affordable Macintosh

        mini? need cubic inches and lots of it

    2. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Re: Its most affordable Macintosh

      The soaring price of memory and storage will help disguise the increased assembly costs - for a while.

      1. Joe Gurman Silver badge

        Re: Its most affordable Macintosh

        I suspect the total unit assembly cost (not counting the amortization of the assembly line installation in an existing hardware production facility) will be under US$10.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tech's Ass

    > Your next Mac might be made in the US of A.

    Well, I don't live in the US, and not being a part of the American audience that The Register now takes for granted its readers belong to, I was wondering whether that was true or whether this was just the expected minimal sop to placate Trump and dodge tariffs that would apply to US sales only.

    And lo and behold...

    > While US market Mac Minis will eventually be built in the Lone Star State, those bound for the rest of the world will continue to be manufactured in Asia, Apple COO Sabih Khan told the Wall Street Journal.

    So, *yeah*. If they're not manufacturing for anywhere beyond the domestic US market, it's because this is a pandering, small-scale sop that says little in itself about how seriously they take Texas as a manufacturing facility. (Or rather, maybe it does).

    Of course, it has to be borne in mind that the tariffs Trump is using to coerce manufacturers into moving their production to the US are also likely to provoke further counter-tariffs from other countries and uncertainty, making US-manufactured products less competitive and less attractive elsewhere.

    > The Mac Mini is by no means Apple's most popular machine

    Exactly.

    And We'll see how those multi-billion dollar "commitments" which include the promise to buy Apple Silicon chips elsewhere in the US (specifically, from TSMC in Arizona) play out over the longer term.

    > The saying goes that everything is bigger in Texas, except

    ...whatever it is those tediously loudmouthed braggarts are overcompensating for! :-)

    1. Tim99 Silver badge

      Re: Tech's Ass

      I live in Australia in a State where the locals occasionally say to certain visiting USAians "Three times the size of Texas". Otherwise we keep quiet, and hope that people don't find out how nice it can be here. Thinking about it, that might not be working - I may be part of the problem, migrating here 35 years ago when the population was one third its present size.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Tech's Ass

        Your bit of Australia (QLD?) might be three times the size, but somehow manages to have a 1000 times less interesting stuff in it.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Tech's Ass

          So you say, but I visited QLD on holiday and had a fantastic time, I'd recommend it to anyone sensible, and I'd happily go there again. Never been to the US, and no plans for the forseeable future.

          I suppose if your definition of "interesting stuff" is out of control immigration thugs, school shootings, unsafe roads, unpleasant food and random politics, then yes you have a point.

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        3. Tim99 Silver badge

          Re: Tech's Ass

          QLD is only about twice the size of Texas. Here (WA) may, or may not, have 1000 times less interesting stuff - but we have less than one tenth the population, a decent public health service, a firearms homicide rate ~60 times lower, and a relatively high standard of living (except for many of our indigenous population). In spite of a number of US cultural imports, as a retiree, I think I’d rather live here, thank you…

          1. Furious Reg reader John

            Re: Tech's Ass

            Ah, WA, such a lovely place - what South America was to the Germans after WWII, WA is to South Africans after Apartheid.

            1. Tim99 Silver badge

              Re: Tech's Ass

              Did you mean recently, the US? Here, older migrants are mostly from the UK, Italy, and Ireland, with some from the US - well who could blame them :-)

              For the last year, the top five are: UK (recently overtaking India that was first); India; New Zealand; The Philippines; and "The Rest of Australia". About 70% of foreign migrants are assessed as "Skilled".

              The data that I could find for South Africa, finished in 2021, includes everyone who was alive then: England; New Zealand; India; *South Africa*; Phillipines; Malaysia; China; Scotland; Ireland; and Italy.

              Most Italians came after WW2, particularly working in agriculture and fishing. When I first arrived many lived in Fremantle, a walk down the main street looked a lot like an Italian fishing town, with old men in dark suites and hats sitting outside drinking coffee. Where I first lived was called "Pom City" because the majority of the population had come from the UK (particularly in the 50s and 60s), mostly to build the steel works, oil refinery, and minerals processing plants.

              The vast majority of the more recent South African population are skilled migrants (particularly in the mining industry). I personally don't know any SA farmers, but I do know a couple of accountants...

              About 1 in 3 of us were born overseas and about 1.4% from South Africa. The UK English "born overseas" population is ~16% (roughly 11 million?) of which about 1.9% were born in South Africa. 30 years ago, a local politician was quoted as saying that we had migrants from everywhere in the world, "Except Eskimos" - the next week, there was a letter from somebody saying that he had gone to Canada, married an Inuit, and they both now lived here.

        4. LBJsPNS Silver badge

          Re: Tech's Ass

          “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell,” - General Philip Sheridan

    2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Tech's Ass

      It's also the easiest to assemble and put in the box… necessary but skilled workers are in short supply in Texas.

      1. Joe Gurman Silver badge

        Re: Tech's Ass

        I suspect a small number of production engineers will be overseeing the robots that assemble the minis. Very good chance the only unskilled labor will be the folks lifting the boxes onto pallets the skilled forklift operators will then load onto trucks.

    3. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Re: Tech's Ass

      I wonder how much of that is imported components for final assembly to give it a "made in the USA" tag ?

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Tech's Ass

        A board with all components soldered to it and the case to glue/screw together.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Tech's Ass

        I'm guessing that the "final assembly" they're doing in order to be able to claim it was "Made in the USA" will be... the bit where they carefully attach a "Made in the USA" sticker before sending it off to the shops. :-)

        1. Joe Gurman Silver badge

          Re: Tech's Ass

          Believe you just proved you don’t look at Apple hardware. Apple has, to my knowledge, never put a sticker on anything they manufactured. That kind of labelling is laser-etched onto the exterior. Stickers, if any, go on the post-consumer boxes, presumably right over the “Designed in California. Manufactured in {wherever}” legend — printed in plant-based ink, of course.

    4. spoofles

      Re: Tech's Ass

      No worries, by made in USA means two assemblies glued together and stuffed into a box by illegals.

      Nothing ever changes.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    None of these companies are really American companies at this point. They just have an office there.

  6. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

    Apple Peas Pies

    Good old US quality for the domestic market, fortunately for Apple's reputation the rest of the world gets the well made ones.

  7. Marty McFly Silver badge

    Well, shucks....

    I read the article looking for a release date. I have been enamored with the Mac Mini for years, with a small fleet of them around the homestead. Most serve as video players for flat screen TVs - enabling me to avoid all the crappy remote-based controls. They have a wireless keyboard, and I have full control of whatever ad-blocking and tracker blocking I desire...but I digress. Oldest is an i7 mid-2011 Server. The last Intel version, and all three M versions abound. So yeah, I am that guy always waiting for the next release.

    I have read the comments here - most are all about politics, and blaming the most prolific politician they can find. Whatever.

    I will be very curious on the next Mac Mini release. The Mini is a budget targeted Mac. We can debate tariffs elsewhere, but we cannot deny they are a tax on imported goods by definition. Will building the Mini domestically result in an even more budget friendly Mac - given it will not have tariff?

    I also read a comment about US-built quality. This will be a tough one to gauge. Apple's kit has a reputation for lasting a long time. I still have my Apple //c in the attic! Will I buy a Made In USA Mac Mini in the near future? Of course I will! Will it last as long as older Apple hardware?? That will determine whether this is a win or a lost.

    1. Like a badger Silver badge

      Re: Well, shucks....

      Will building the Mini domestically result in an even more budget friendly Mac - given it will not have tariff?

      Under the original Trump plan, phones and computers were exempt from his tariffs, your guess is as good as anyone about where we now stand.

      In terms of the cost to build, that depends on how much Texan workers costs compared to Chinese or Taiwanese, how productive they are (and how much is automated) and how much dedicated capital has to be invested, and what volumes are produced. Since Apple hadn't done this before, and the production will be for the US only, we can safely guess that US assembly will result in a machine that costs more to make, and I'd hazard a guess at an assembly cost around 35% more than existing Asian facilities. Note that applies to assembly only, which I'd guess is less than 10% of the final product manufacturing cost.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Well, shucks....

      " I have read the comments here - most are all about politics, and blaming the most prolific politician they can find. Whatever."

      Those comments, they're relevant and yeah, they're probably not an easy read for a USian, but they're a valid concern for this article, they're also a valid yardstick for how low the reputation of and respect for he US has fallen across the world.

      The US, at the moment, is "whatever" and it's going to take a *long* time before that reputation starts to turn round, if it ever does, because the RotW has realised it only takes a year or two to get sold out and betrayed and we are busy making the US irrelevant to our needs.

    3. ChrisMarshallNY

      Re: Well, shucks....

      > I still have my Apple //c in the attic!

      Probably worth quite a bit, although it sounds like you don’t need the extra change.

      My main Mac (I write software) is a Mini M4Pro. Wasn’t that cheap, but runs like a champ.

  8. Ken G Silver badge

    Is that safe?

    Are there any independent audit to ensure the government hasn't put back doors in the network chips or similar? Also that they aren't being made with child or slave labour?

    1. Irongut Silver badge

      Re: Is that safe?

      It's Apple, I thought the child and slave labour came as standard?

  9. Lazlo Woodbine Silver badge

    Hopefully this will happen after Autumn half-term, as that's when I'm buying my next Mac Mini...

  10. retiredFool Silver badge

    Don't believe it

    At 499, the most that is going to happen in that US plant is they will be unpacked from the container and packed in a cardboard box and have a stickey slapped on it that says Packaged in US. I recall Moto of old back in the pager day. I think they said it took 5 minutes of labor at some FL plant to make as it was almost a fully automated production line. Moto off shored it as 5 minutes of labor pushed the price up too much. And if I remember right, pagers were around 100 back then.

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