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Job cuts at the IRS's tech arm have gone faster and farther than expected, with 40 percent of IT staff and four-fifths of tech leaders gone, the agency's CIO revealed yesterday. Kaschit Pandya detailed the extent of the tech reorganization during a panel at the Association of Government Accountants yesterday, describing it as …

  1. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck Silver badge

    Hoping that AI is a silver bullet for productivity like most orgs, and ignoring the 80%+ failure of companies using it to have achieved any savings or benefits from doing so.

    How many billion are they going to give Musk and company with this little scam?

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      You can't have rich people paying taxes, that's communism.

      It's like saying that they should be prosecuted for their little peccadilloes

      1. the spectacularly refined chap Silver badge

        It's like saying that they should be prosecuted for their little peccadilloes

        Little peckers, surely? One of the most prominent is famous for his tiny hands.

    2. DrXym Silver badge

      And AI isn't exactly renowned for its financial or accounting acumen.

  2. Eclectic Man Silver badge
    Meh

    Aside - Bribery and Corruption

    I have often wondered why, in crime stories, when the 'hero' or 'heroine' has found a corrupt police officer taking bribes, they take the evidence to the officer's superior, who always turns out to be a bigger crook than their subordinate. Always alert the tax authorities to the bribery and say that you are not sure the corrupt officer is declaring their illegal earnings as income and so is not paying the correct amount of tax. Always remember that Al Capone was caught for tax evasion - his declared taxable income was inadequate to pay just for the flowers he bought his wife.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Aside - Bribery and Corruption

      Always alert the tax authorities

      superior, who always turns out to be a bigger crook

      Hmm.

      1. cd Silver badge

        Re: Aside - Bribery and Corruption

        The big thieves hang the little ones...

        --Czech proverb

        1. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck Silver badge

          Re: Aside - Bribery and Corruption

          Perfect description of 90% of politicians and lawyers

    2. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: Aside - Bribery and Corruption

      Well there's a new name for Elmo, A.I. Capone

  3. kmorwath Silver badge

    Billionaries who don't want to pay taxes...

    .... neuter the state entity in charge to collect those taxes.

    Only the peasants should pay them, of course.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Billionaries who don't want to pay taxes...

      The peasants have no choice, the taxes are automatically deducted from their paychecks. It is the richer people who have most of their income from sources the IRS isn't getting directly reported to them who can choose whether to include that income on their returns or not (or make up / inflate losses) They've got republicans to go along with hamstringing the IRS's ability to do audits for years to reduce those chances. Now the IRS is neutered, so it is open season on tax fraud. Except for the little guy who has almost everything coming in on W2s and 1099s, and has no ability to cheat.

    2. chivo243 Silver badge
      Meh

      Re: Billionaries who don't want to pay taxes...

      Yep, hit the little guys when their down, Direct File, a free service, will be discontinued by the president. Now you gotta pay to file taxes unless you qualify for Free File or use a third party*(data slurper)

      https://www.cbpp.org/blog/trump-plan-to-end-free-direct-file-program-and-rely-on-for-profit-tax-preparers-is-a-mistake

      There are other free ones*

      https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/ways-to-file-taxes-for-free

      1. DS999 Silver badge

        Re: Billionaries who don't want to pay taxes...

        That's what really sucks, for the people who have everything on W2/1099 and take the standard deduction, the government could send you a tax form that's filled in and say "if you accept our calculations, sign and return this form [with payment if one is required]".

        That's probably at least a quarter of the population. Including my mom now that I got her to sell off the last of her stock holdings that made me fill out annoying forms for capital gains and qualified dividends lol

        1. Kernel

          Re: Billionaries who don't want to pay taxes...

          'That's what really sucks, for the people who have everything on W2/1099 and take the standard deduction, the government could send you a tax form that's filled in and say "if you accept our calculations, sign and return this form [with payment if one is required]".'

          What, kind of like the system New Zealand has had in place for a decade or more? - except that if we agree with the assessment we don't have to piss around signing and returning anything. We just a) pay what we owe via on-line banking, or b) wait a couple of weeks for our refund to appear in our nominated bank account.

          I can't exactly remember the last time I had to sacrifice a tree to file my tax return, but it was probably last century that on-line tax filing (directly via Inland Revenue Department's web site) became a standard way of filing - now days for most of us IRD just gathers our income data itself, applies all the standard deductions and sends us the proposed result, no individual taxpayer effort required.

  4. RedGreen925

    Of course AI is not going to endanger their jobs, it is going to give them even more work cleaning up the f'n mess it makes.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Yes, it does sound a lot like they sacked all the indians and gave new headresses to the chiefs: tax returns will probably take longer to process, there will be more mistakes and it will be harder to get someone to help you.

      So, job well done Elon.

  5. IGotOut Silver badge

    Well Durr...

    ...if the computers are broken, it's harder to investigate the rich for dodgy tax dealing, often working with arms dealers living on an island with a bunch of trafficked teenagers.

  6. steelpillow Silver badge
    Holmes

    Breaking up silos

    If the silos are petty pension-building empires, GOOD.

    If the silos provide a necessary security layer, BAD.

    Care to comment, Sir?

    1. Rikki Tikki

      Re: Breaking up silos

      Agree with your assessment.

      If having separate functional teams or departments helps provide security, then good.

      The problem arises if there is no effective communication between different teams. When I started in my Australian public service role there were certainly "silos", but, when I needed something done by another office/department, I knew who to talk to.

      It seems, after successive waves of MHT/JWH (or Reagan? if you are American) inspired "efficiencies", a lot of the knowledge of how things work has been lost. Even, just before my retirement, our IT department totally failed to identify the team I was working with as a stakeholder in a major system upgrade, leaving me to pick up the pieces and provide a "temporary" fix

  7. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Civil War in 2 months

    The one thing your pickup driving gun totting patriot cares about is getting their tax refund cheque and heading to Walmart

    If the cheques/checks are late there will be disgruntlement

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Civil War in 2 months

      Still waiting for my Tarriff Rebate check from all that additional revenue coming in (and going straight to rump's offshore bank).

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Civil War in 2 months

      “What sort of ‘Merican are you”?

  8. Joe Gurman Silver badge

    The assignment....

    ....of a thousand IRS IT people to deal with the tax filing season is primarily motivated by the large number of people wanting to see their refunds pronto, as they used to say in western movies. For the last decade or more, people with normal incomes filing electronically have seen their refunds in 3 - 4 weeks. Naturally, we've all been spoiled by that. For the people still filing on paper.... vaya con Dios.

    1. James O'Shea Silver badge

      Re: The assignment....

      'Vaya con Dios'? That sounds Mexican. ICE is going to be paying you a visit. I hear El Salvador and/or Uganda are sunny at this time of year.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: The assignment....

        I thought 'Vaya con Dios' was some weird religious sect that Vance (not his real name) and Bannon (not his real body) were into ?

    2. retiredFool

      Re: The assignment....

      I file paper, still comes quickly. And mine are more complex than average.

      The real purpose and everyone knows it was to defang the IRS. A billionaire can afford very very very very... very good accountants. The IRS had in the past couple of years started to successfully go after the billionaire class. I've seen numbers as high as 12 dollars of tax for every dollar spent by the IRS enforcement group on rich returns. But it is a long slog taking years to work thru the courts. Nip it in the bud elon.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: The assignment....

      I always under-deduct and just pay them what I owe. Works pretty well.

      The REAL problem is a tax code filled with CRAP. A FLAT RATE tax would fix EVERYTHING. Amazingly if you let rich people invest and buy things, you get SOMETHING for the money, like commerce, companies that hire people, inventions, and so on. If you send it to gummint instead, you get people subsidized for being lazy, subsidized for buying things you'd never want, subsidized for god-knows-what, and a bunch of corrupt politicians BUYING VOTES with YOUR MONEY.

      [but that just means the class envy-ers won't be able to PUNISH THE SUCCESSFUL. Oh well, too bad, moochers and looters be damned!]

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The assignment....

        It’s not punishing the successful, it’s called paying what you owe across your entire income portfolio.

        This Rich shouldn’t be able to tax accountant negotiate an effective tax rate 9of 5% or less across a vast income, some hidden overseas.

        If the rich just paid fair taxes, there would be negligible government debt.

        -

        Corporates to washing money through tax havens.

  9. Like a badger Silver badge

    "and I thought the opportunity that we needed to really execute was reorganizing"

    An impressive display of American managerial genius.

  10. Tron Silver badge

    Everyone was operating in their own department or area.

    Presumably the area they were specialists in.

    Now they are working in areas they are not specialists in, filling gaps like temps.

    Those with any ability will be jumping ship to avoid this.

    Wrecking ball politics makes for good coverage, but nothing works afterwards, eg. Brexit, DOGE and Trump. More expected here soon with Reform in May and then at the next general election.

  11. Denarius

    did they say sacking 8000 execs ?

    if so, good start. As for technical staff, beancounters usually start there. After all , how hard can it be ? /S

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Billionaire Tax team

    An intern in a broom closet with a note pad and a pocket calculator that maxes out at 6 figures.

  13. ShortStuff
    Facepalm

    It's a Good Start

    Well, I would say that cutting "40 percent of IT staff and four-fifths of tech leaders" is just a good start. Hopefully the IRS will be just a bad thought from the past, in a couple of years.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's a Good Start

      …..of course the old Tariffs will raise somuch money that it will make income taxes redundant.

      Nice one !!!

      ….. Remind me who pays tariffs????

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And at the same time...

    US Government spending went up. Wasn't DOGY all about saving money, aka 'draining the swamp'?

    cue crickets.

    Oh wait, all that money went to ICE who were tasked with deporting people most of whom were actually paying Income Taxes. More footgun moments from The Demented One.

  15. Taliesinawen

    IRS outgoings: $12.3 billion for FY 2025

    Now cut taxes by 40%

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Unintended consequences

    Searching for efficiencies to help the Americun peeples and accidently made it less likely Elon is caught for tax evasion.

  17. JLV Silver badge

    “… faster and farther than expected…”

    Just remember that there’s always been a strong “abolish the IRS” component in the fringes of the Republican Party: “accidents” may have been quite premeditated.

  18. DrXym Silver badge

    Stroke of genius

    Lay off all the people who ensure people pay their taxes and pay them on time. I'm sure that won't have any predictable consequences.

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