Windows' Search
Pity Microsoft don't seem to want to put any effort into normal Windows' search. I can often see the file in front of me, yet search still fails to find it.
Microsoft has made OneDrive agents generally available, allowing users to query multiple documents simultaneously through Copilot instead of just one at a time. Users can select up to 20 files and create an agent, saved as a .agent file in OneDrive. Rather than teasing information out of individual documents, Microsoft says …
If the file is in front of you why on earth do you need to search for it?
Ok, I'm a grumpy old git but I can count the times I have used a graphical 'search' tool for files on my local system on on hand. Being old school, 'find' is there and is used for local searches.
Is search STILL broken? (I don’t use windows these days so don’t really know, but I definitely remember file search borkage being a thing decades ago)
It beggars belief that something as basic as a file search can still be broken after all these years
Go Microslop, Go!!
Yes, broken, and since Windows 10-or-whatever, further enspittified by the integration of web search.
I was fixing a friend's PC via AnyDesk last week; it's vanilla unmodified Windows 11, and by golly, I'd forgotten how much of a PITA that is.
I wanted to see if he had a particular program installed, so searched for the first few letters of its name in the start menu Search box. Bingo, instant result, the correct icon and everything, so I clicked it... and was taken to a Bing search for the program name. Aaaargh, grawlix grawlix grawlix.
The actual program was installed, it's just that Search hadn't found it because it was buried in the extremely obscure and unusual location of C:\Program Files, I mean honestly, who expects programs to be installed there...
Exactly. You don't really *need* any AI nonsense for something so basic. Something similar to Spotlight on Mac is sufficient for searching documents, including .pdf and .doc files for whatever search string you put in, and I have found useful enough to have on a keyboard shortcut. Any decent desktop search would be able to go through a user's documents and retrieve what one needs, even if it has to download data from a remote "drive" in order to do so.
I could see the use of an "AI" to provide summaries of documents rather than searching particular strings, or to find specific images based upon content (ie, that silly one of a dog wearing sunglasses that you don't remember the file name of), but it comes at too high a cost. I don't *want* any online storage provider to even be able to read my documents, let alone have some data-harvesting bot looking through everything for $DEITY knows what purpose. And since M$ has shown itself to be a purveyor of spyware, if I have 0 trust in any provider, my trust for M$ to not mishandle it is a negative or imaginary number.
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It sounds great - on paper - but instead of actually reading the documents I'm supposed to trust Copilot's summation? What if it misses vital information or draws the wrong conclusion based on yet another hallucination and presented as fact? This is a slippery slope that only Microsoft could dream up and woe be to the team that makes important business decisions based on it.
I work in a specialized tech field (hence AC) and as a team, we're incessantly being urged to use LLM-based AI to augment our workflows. Colleagues tried using it to write product documentation this week; as one of them put it to me, "it did a reasonable job of doing all the stuff I didn't need it to do, and completely failed to do the tedious stuff like inserting standard boilerplate text that I DID want it to do!"
Add to that the inevitable realization that ok, it might have spared the human writer 30 minutes of effort, BUT to get half-way coherent product, that writer had to spend 20 minutes polishing and editing and prepping the Confluence doc that the user documentation's based on, and then another hour cleaning up the LLM's output... it's like the comparisons of transit methods where people say "oh, why would I take 2 hours on the train to get from A to B, when a flight there takes only 20 minutes" but ignore the plane's obligatory 2+ hours of check-in, hour of airport-to-town-centre transfer taxi time, and so on.
Still, at least AI is making memory, power, water, and gpus reassuringly expensive for the rest of us. Those are all veblen goods, right? <sarc>
So much so, including the battle against the man at the top who just wants to present it as a thing of loveliness, nothing bad to see over here.
"it is up to the user to make sure that anyone with whom an agent is shared has access to the same source files. Otherwise, there is an even greater chance that Copilot might be confidently wrong"
But will it admit that it doesn't have access to all the info... or does it just give an answer based on the little it can see?
This is something I absolutely don’t get. Why do all the LLM companies think everyone needs emails and documents summarising?
Just a shot-in-the-dark but could it be because it’s the ONE thing that LLMs can actually do (I use the term loosely) to some degree? (the one thing that isn’t helping fraudsters or embezzling or breaking into servers or other nefarious thing that LLMs also seem to help with)
I'm reminded of a SciFi story I read very many years ago. A massive computer had just been built and there was a ceremonial switch on. At this point various strange noises came from the speakers and lights flickered before it settled down with a gurgling noise. One of the politicians present asked the first question. "Is there a god?"
Almost instantly the reply came back. "There is now!"
For the nontechnical people (people who don't read El Reg), the implications of this are pretty staggering.
1. Windows now mandates an internet connection and an online Outlook account to register Windows.
2. Windows backs up user files to the OneDrive by default, without requiring (or asking for) user permission to do so.
3. Microsoft has given the FBI user Bitlocker keys, defeating user encryption.
4. They are now using AI to process OneDrive files.
While there are workarounds and ways to defeat steps 1 and 2, they require technical knowledge. To defeat step 2 requires an awareness that it is even happening. For the average user who just uses their PC to browse the web, read email, shop online, do their banking, etc., they are likely unaware any of this is happening.
Meanwhile, all of their data - finances, business records, divorce proceedings, porn, emails written when drunk, etc., - are online, searchable by Microsoft, who has just set up AI to process and summarize their contents.
If an FBI investigator can get user files from Microsoft, and Microsoft is developing AI search tools, how long will it be before the FBI asks Microsoft to run those search tools on user files to identify illegal or potentially illegal activity?
Back in the 1990s, people were worried that the feds were scraping Usenet, looking for incriminating evidence. Many used to put things like "Fulan Gong, Semtex, C4, Capitol Building" in their signatures in order to pollute those scraping tools. With the way things are going, you don't need to post publicly, just putting it on your personal computer will be the same.
People have been arrested in airports for making jokes about hijacking planes. Most people's reaction is that's going overboard, but it was stupid to make jokes like that at the airport. It's fine to do it elsewhere, but airports are an off limits area for things like that. With MS scraping user files, your home computer is now an off limits area.
Pocket WiFi may be the cheapest way to get a non-contract internet connection in the UK, but the data is capped. Avoid streaming and £20 can last you 6 weeks.
Isn't it possible to break OneDrive, by blocking a specific connection, or removing a software component?
Is there a delete all OneDrive files when shutting down option/application? It won't save bandwidth, but it would reduce the chances of having your files out there.
So the might of Copilot is limited to 20 files that I have to manually select. NotWow.
If I wanted to take the risk of Copilot (and occasionally I do), then what I'd actually like is for it to pillage all of the thousands of local and shared files I have access to, and my email folders, subject to whatever the prompt parameters are.
So what about medical documents, or legal briefs, or patents. Are they just sucking that stuff into their cloud. They should expect some hefty lawsuits that a click thru wont save them from.
I would not want to be a MS employee ... not all folks are rational..