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Most people would be perfectly happy to ride the bus without seeing ads. So this latest public error could be a blessing in disguise for passengers, if not for the bus company hoping to make money. Love it or hate it, this bit of borked digital signage looks to have run into a problem that only an open-source hero can solve. …

  1. Pickle Rick
    Trollface

    Obviousy a dual booting system...

    Windows update borked GRUB again.

    1. Rol

      Re: Obviousy a dual booting system...

      oh, I got so fed up with Window's updates screwing with the grub, I finally put each on their own hard drive with a slew of buttons to choose which drive I was going to boot in to. Since then, I worked out that windows has no need for updates if it is air-gapped from the internet, and has worked perfectly for the last 10 years.

      1. demon driver

        Re: Obviousy a dual booting system...

        I suppose separating things to different drives is indeed the way to go... When moving what I need from two PCs, one Linux, one Windows, onto one new dual boot laptop, I was lucky enough to have two SSD slots and so I could separate the two OSes. After I heard that the 25H2 Win 11 upgrade deleted a Linux partition somewhere, I decided to remove the Linux SSD before starting the upgrade just to be safe. But Redmond was faster; the upgrade was kicked off in the background before I did. But it left the Linux drive alone; the Laptop even continued to boot into grub...

    2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: Obviousy a dual booting system...

      Or some passing lowlife/drunk spotted the protruding USB stick the screen boots from and half-inched it...

    3. FIA Silver badge

      Re: Obviousy a dual booting system...

      I had Windows update bork Windows the other week.

      I dual boot server and 11... (the 11 is being replaced but I occasionally need to boot back in to it)... a windows update cheerfully 'removed' the server startup option menu and put the graphical one from Windows 11 back in there for me. Oh, and set Win 11 to the default again.

      Cheers MS.

  2. Eye Know

    Much less distracting

    Much less distracting than a Windows boot loop or that creepy BSOD with the inappropriate sad face.

    1. Ragarath

      Re: Much less distracting

      What was it doing that was inappropriate?

  3. b0llchit Silver badge
    Happy

    The Good Fix

    "They've 'fixed' it by turning off the screen."

    Glad that the ads were turned off [sigh of relieve]. We need more of these fixes on those ad walls. Please, all of you readers here, do your best fixing by "turning off the screen", where ever you can.

    1. Giles C Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: The Good Fix

      Well it showing errors and if you can’t see then they don’t exist……

    2. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: The Good Fix

      They're actually really useful, tells you the time, next two or three stops, service name (trust me, pre coffee brain fog at 6 AM it's sometimes necessary) and, as far as I remember, they generally only advertise their own service (so far)

      1. b0llchit Silver badge
        Childcatcher

        Re: The Good Fix

        they generally only advertise their own service

        famous...last...words...

        1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

          Re: The Good Fix

          Yeah, I'm sure they'll catch on (and I may have to work out how to bork them) but for now at least, they're fairly clean

    3. HPCJohn

      Re: The Good Fix

      On TFL bu services there is often a screen which cycles though the camera feeds on the bus.

      Cant say that I ever saw one boot up, so no idea what OS they run.

  4. Martin an gof Silver badge

    Linux obviously in favour

    One of those humungous LED advertising sites near here was stuck on a Debian login prompt for about a fortnight. Unfortunately, at the side of a dual carriageway (and thoroughly distracting - they ought to be banned) so couldn't get a decent picture of it, though a passenger did try.

    M.

    1. HXO

      Re: Linux obviously in favour

      That kind of signage is banned here, except if on the land where your business is operating. And there are still restrictions. Except some counsils give themselves exceptions. I very much hate animation that will distract. Anywhere.

      Speed 2. Had to look it up. Worst movie ever. Saw the first 15mins, and the next day I think someone sent it overboard.

  5. Pickle Rick
    Coat

    Sorry, Not In Service!

    Seems like you're walking the rest of the way. Stuck at rescue prompt means dbus won't even start, and even if other services are running, there's no way to make connections.

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Sorry, Not In Service!

      The obvious xkcd is surely https://xkcd.com/705/

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Coat

      Re: Sorry, Not In Service!

      I disagree. Problem isn't the bus. It's a driver issue.

      1. Pickle Rick
        IT Angle

        Re: Sorry, Not In Service!

        We're stuck with the old driver, might be a bit "finicky" but works on this old bucket. The new one crashed the test rig and, er, "didn't certify live" or something like that. Anyway, didn't HR say you can't blacklist a driver due to age. I never understood what they'd know about it in the first place, it's bloody wokeness gone mad!

    3. David 132 Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Sorry, Not In Service!

      >Stuck at rescue prompt means dbus won't even start

      The wheels on dbus go round and round, round and round...

  6. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Works for people, too

    > They've 'fixed' it by turning off the screen

    And the reduction in stress is almost instant.

  7. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Windows

    Special AU Bus Borkage

    In BNE we have a few new fully electric buses fitted with large screens that display the progress of bus along it's route giving the passenger adequate warning of the upcoming stop in order to press the stop request button.

    All brilliant until it loses its GPS positioning or whatever and falls back to the (clearly pommie) vendor's demonstration display which starts in Chadwell Heath and progresses to St Georges Hospital which with a little google·fu appears to be the Dagnum 173 route [UK.]

    The locals are just a little bemused or amused.

    Just before Christmas I was in this bus on which a middle aged French tourist couple had just boarded to return to their host; they had used the outbound (correct) display to navigate and were intending to do the same on the return leg.

    After the first few 173 UK stops the pair were in a blind panic and at the next stop went to ask the driver to determine were going. The driver was a fairly new arrival from outside the anglophone (and also apparently the francophone) world so they didn't get much joy there. Madame spoke and understood English somewhat better than Monsieur so I managed to convince her they were on the right bus and the stop after the next was theirs. I am fairly certain they didn't believe me that the incorrect display on an Australian bus was of a UK bus route. I should have said the bus was made in the UK - infinitely more credible.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Special AU Bus Borkage - BNE

      And Duck Duck Go tells me that BNE is the 3 letter code for Brisbane airport, which does appear to be in West Island.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

      Ahem, I think you'll find the 173 bus goes to Dagenham... not Dagnum. (Is Dagnum possibly a derogatory term for a not very useful integer in Aussie speak?)

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

        Possibly a display width limitation.

      2. chivo243 Silver badge

        Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

        it's a Tow Mater euphemism, Dang!

        Gotta love Mater.

      3. Ravester

        Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

        Do you get a free dustbin...

      4. Albert Coates
        Facepalm

        Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

        "Ahem, I think you'll find the 173 bus goes to Dagenham."

        Wow, that was a genuine whoosh for all those thumbs up: that's an Ozzie taking the piss out of the Lunnun accent, innit? If he had to g**gle it, he must have seen how it's spelled, shirley?

    3. Snow Hill Island

      Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

      "I should have said the bus was made in the UK - infinitely more credible"

      Well, actually, the bodywork may have been made in the UK, but the rolling chassis was probably made in China, like the current London buses.

      1. The Organ Grinder's Monkey Bronze badge

        Re: Special AU Bus Borkage

        Relatively recently it was quite a common sight to see chassis cowl buses being driven from the factory to have their bodywork fitted, presumably at Carlisle's in Carlisle as this was on the upper reaches of the M6.

        Drivers were completely exposed to the elements like an Edwardian chauffeur, complete either with crash helmet or goggles (& flys in their teeth I assume.)

  8. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

    Yes, I know Linux.

    However, as in all unpaid, public or social scenarios, I tell people I'm an accountant because nothing spoils a party faster or wastes more time than being introduced as an IT expert.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Yes, I know Linux.

      Try being introduced as someone who charges for IT advice. That might help.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Yes, I know Linux.

      Try being an IT Expert who 'Does NOT use Windows'.

      As most Non-IT Users (Normal People) use Windows... they quickly move onto other people/things with a glazed look on their face. To them the world is ruled by Microsoft (as far as IT goes...)

      I gave up on Windows when I retired. I'd already been using Unix and then Linux for more than 20 years and a Mac user for eight. Everyone in my social group knows that I don't do Windows fixes and accept that I'm just a bit weird in that respect. Life goes on and slowly more and more of them are giving MS the finger and buying a Mac. Linux is a bit too radical for them. Just using the command line to do things makes them shake their heads and do something else.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Yes, I know Linux.

        "Just using the command line to do things makes them shake their heads and do something else."

        But you know you only use command line because it's quicker than the GUI alternatives or something which neither Linux nor Windows GUIs could even manage.

      2. Albert Coates

        Re: Yes, I know Linux.

        "Just using the command line to do things makes them shake their heads and do something else."

        The reverse trick is using only the keyboard to control the Windows GUI.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: Yes, I know Linux.

          There is no trick to it at all ... format c: ... Controlled and sorted.

    3. Pete Sdev Silver badge

      Re: Yes, I know Linux.

      Not a brain surgeon?

    4. lordminty

      Re: Yes, I know Linux.

      I find that telling them that they won't like my day rate, and I only charge by the day.

      In the usually unlikely event that this fails I tell them my day rate is at least four figures. In cash. Before I even look at anything.

      Works for me.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    But where do we go when Linux has finished metastasising into SytemdOS?

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge
    2. RM Myers
    3. jake Silver badge

      Slackware.

  10. FuzzyTheBear Silver badge
    Happy

    Easiest solution ?

    Find the tv brand ,. get a universal remote , punch in the code and turn it off :) Problem solved. 100 people going around with remotes would do society a huge service. :D

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Easiest solution ?

      I used to carry a programmable remote control to turn off the overhead televisions that were pushing inane drivel like RachelFuckingRay[0] demonstrating yet again how to dry out pork in the meat department of my local grocery store. Likewise, I would physically unplug the monitor pushing advertising in the checkout line. I was not alone.

      Around these parts we no longer have monitors blaring at us to buy shit we don't want in grocery stores.

      Score one for the little guy.

      [0] Remember her? If so, WHY?

  11. Stuart Castle

    I used to get the 108 bus in London fairly regularly.

    For those who don't know, London buses have automated announcements in them that give the bus's destination, next stop and a whole load of other announcements. This is part of a london wide management system called "iBus", which also powers the various apps and journey planner websites that tap into TFL's journey planner.

    The iBus hardware on each bus is essentially a small PC that as well as doing the announcements and digital signs for the passengers, also tracks the bus's position, and reports it to the iBus servers via a mobile connection.

    Buses on some routes have dot matrix indicators, some have LED screens.

    The buses on route 108 have quite large LED screens. For the first few weeks they were running, they were on, and clearly running the iBus software, but not displaying anything remotely useful. Then, while the announcement worked, the screends just displayed the top of an AMI Bios screen. I wish i'd have got a photo of this, because now the screesns are just left off. The announcements still work, which suggests that they have a seperate computer for the displays.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well, welcome to the big time. For years, the known issues of Linux and Open Source were largely ignored "out of sight, out of mind."

    But as the platform becomes more visible to the general public, its flaws become more visible too.

    Soon enough, Linux will be entering the full arena of public ridicule and disdain, just as others before it have.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      You mean a duff drive is somehow Linux's fault?

    2. Stuart Castle

      No operating system is immune to bad configuration or hardware failure.

  13. djnapkin

    "After all, it can't be worse than Speed 2."

    This has made my day. I can go to bed knowing nothing more needs to be done today

    1. PB90210 Silver badge

      Have you tried Father Ted's version of Speed, with Dougal on the milk float?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Try rebooting

    Just what any Windows user would do

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