back to article Mechanical mutts make it official: Now full-time at Sellafield's hot zones

Sellafield Ltd is to use Boston Dynamics' Spot robot dogs in "routine, business-as-usual operations" amid the ongoing cleanup and decommissioning of the notorious UK nuclear site. Plans for day-to-day use of the mechanical quadrupeds were disclosed in a case study detailing the trial of the technology over the last few years …

  1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    The cover up

    >> The situation wasn't helped by a fire in 1957 that led to the escape of radioactive fallout.

    As usual with the nuclear 'industry', this was thoroughly covered up. Nothing to see here, move along. Don't think things are different today.

    1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

      Re: The cover up

      One hour later. So far, eight deluded people who think there are not cover ups going on right now.

      1. Filippo Silver badge

        Re: The cover up

        Detecting radiation is trivially easy. Even back then, Geiger counters weren't terribly hard to get. A cover up, as soon as public interest is raised, would be exceedingly difficult to maintain for any length of time. Covering up anything going on today would be impossible in anything but a totalitarian state; the gizmo anyone needs to blow the cover is 50 bucks on Amazon. It seems far more likely, though admittedly less interesting, that there's no cover up to begin with.

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: The cover up

      The Windscale fire was publicly acknowledged. Lots of testing was done, and monitoring put in place thereafter. Local milk production was halted for a while - again all publicly.

      Admittedly one of the things they discovered from the monitoring was that the fire hadn't actually released a huge amount of contamination, and much of the nuclear contamination they were finding around the site was actually from previous operations. The two reactors were directly air cooled, and had very rudimentary filters on the air blown out of them. If I recall the documentaries I've watched on this (back in the days when the Beeb did good science documentaries), this was covered up, and everything was blamed on the fire. But monitoring was put in place so they could catch new sources of contamination.

      1. MyffyW Silver badge

        Re: The cover up

        At the time they were certainly "economical with the actualité" partly from institutional practice and partly because this was a nuclear weapons project.

        Yes, unbelievably, the reactors were air-cooled, with the original design envisaging direct venting to the atmosphere. At a late stage, Director John Cockcroft insisted that high-performance filters were fitted on the chimneys, at some expense and initially referred to as "Cockcroft's Folly". They were clearly visible towards the top of the stacks.

        The choice to have filters very likely made the 1957 disaster "not great, but not terrible". It is estimated they caught 95% of the particulate exhaust from the fire.

        To quote Manchester University "Had they not been built, it is no exaggeration to suggest that a large part of the surrounding area – including the Lake District – might be inaccessible today. "

      2. Red Ted
        Mushroom

        Re: The cover up

        The two original reactors were solely for the creation of materials for the construction of atom bombs.

        They were air cooled nuclear piles using a graphite moderator. The moderators efficiency reduces over time but could be restored by annealing it (getting it hot), so at regular intervals they turned off the cooling air and let the pile heat up, then turned the cooling air back on and restarted operations. One day they left the cooling off too long and the graphite got really hot. On turning the air back on the graphite started to burn and then it was FUBAR. At one point during the recovery they took the access covers off and sprayed water directly on the graphite. The graphite was really hot by this point and it could have split the water in to hydrogen and oxygen that would then recombine in an explosion that would have taken the top off the reactor containment vessel.

        The first power station at the site, Calder Hall, was also part of the atomic weapon program and so spent significant time not generating power but being used to create materials for the atom and H bomb projects.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: The cover up

          Red Ted,

          Calder Hall. Now there's another cover-up!

          The Queen went to officially open the plant for the TV cameras. She pressed a big button to switch the reactor on, and then a big dial moved to show all the lovely electricity that was being fed to the grid. Of course, reactors don't start up quite like that, you have to run around shouting things, filling out health&safety forms and make the appropriate sacrifices to Vulcan before hitting the real big-red-button... So instead, a fake button was installed for Her Maj, and a fake dial, operated by string, was installed to show the leccy being generated.

          1. TDog

            Re: The cover up

            And she was reported subsequently as saying, "am I suposed to believe that did anything?"

        2. DJO Silver badge

          Re: The cover up

          ...spent significant time not generating power but being used to create materials for the atom and H bomb projects.

          Well, sort of both at once. To get the best quantity and quality of enrichable spent fuel you have to remove it from the reactor when it's only about 60% spent which you'd not do if you were only interested in generating electricity. Also early extraction and enrichment creates far more hard to handle waste than using the fuel to it's full potential.

          Calder Hall where it was said: "Electricity too cheap to meter", unsurprisingly that got abandoned pretty quickly but rest assured, if fusion ever becomes a viable reality, some idiot will spout the same old crap.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: The cover up

            The 'too cheap to meter' phrase wasn't said about the things most people think it was or attribute it to...

            https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/students/history-101/too-cheap-to-meter

        3. Winkypop Silver badge

          Re: The cover up

          Re: “atom and H bomb projects”

          Of which my Dad was stationed at the pointy end out at Maralinga South Australia.

          A place where servicemen were treated like they were part of the experiments.

          Being “hot” out there was common.

      3. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

        Re: The cover up

        Perhaps you should go and work for the Ministry of Truth.

        The public were not told about the release of nuclear material.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: The cover up

          The public were not told about the release of nuclear material.

          And that's why they publicly banned sales of local milk and promised ongoing monitoring of the area (which they actually did) in order to detect any future contamination. Presumably because of pixies?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: The cover up

            Every time you feed the troll, god kills a kitten.

            1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
              Devil

              Re: The cover up

              But I don’t like cats…

            2. Pussifer
              Happy

              Re: The cover up

              VoT isn't even a good troll*, he/she/it tries but mainly fails with posts that can be relatively easy to disprove.

              Weirdly I've up voted a couple of VoT's posts recently, not sure what that shows, maybe VoT posts a reasonable comment now and again to throw us off the trolling.

              *I'm terrible at trolling when I've tried, I can't keep up the pretence and end up exposing my nonsense.

              1. Casca Silver badge

                Re: The cover up

                Well you know even blind chickens and clocks two times a day...

                1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
                  Happy

                  Re: The cover up

                  Casca,

                  I didn't know blind chickens could tell the time. Actually, I didn't even know that sighted chickens could tell the time either.

                  Are you sure you're not thinking of cuckoos?

  2. John Robson Silver badge
    IT Angle

    So nice to see

    Gaffer tape given it's correct name

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So nice to see

      But is it gaffer tape or duck tape? I'd have thought that duck tape would be better but the photos are of such poor resolution that it's impossible to tell.

      1. david 12 Silver badge

        Re: So nice to see

        Duct tape is actually not very good at sealing ducts -- typical duct tape doesn't have high-temperature long-life adhesive. You need specialist tape for joining heating/cooling ducts in your ceiling/attic space.

        Duck tape? That's a phonetic change, and a brand name.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: So nice to see

          It only became "duct tape" because Duck tape was (and is) a brand name. IIRC, whilst there's various antecedents going back to the earliest days of adhesive tapes, the term duck tape came into everyday vocabulary after it was widely used on stores packaging in WW2, and the combination of strength, good adhesion and (somewhat) waterproofing was recognised as suitable for other uses.

          1. LBJsPNS Silver badge

            Re: So nice to see

            And because the fabric it's made if is called cotton duck.

  3. SnailFerrous Silver badge
    Terminator

    Inevitably, a rogue alpha particle in a hot zone will flip a bit in it's program from 1 (good), back to the Boston Dynamics default 0 (evil).

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Coat

      If at some point they use Optimus robots, and a similar bit flip befalls an Optimus robot that say upends it's prime directive of thou shalt not harm the creator, Elon Musk...

      1. MyffyW Silver badge

        Whilst not encouraging such behaviour, there would be a very Alien Earth justice to that

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Gaspode the wonder dog has the ultimate power to deal with any Boston Dynamics robot, however evil it might become. He knows The Word, you see. And deep in its soul, every doggie knows that, even a robot one.

    3. SnailFerrous Silver badge

      There needs to be a law that robotic good/evil configuration is done by a proper hardware DIP switch on a PCB, rather than purely in software.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I rolled my eyes in 1994 …

    … on hearing the news that THORP (Thermal Oxide Reprocessing Plant) at Sellafield had started operation, But, as I was about to leave the UK, at least I could console myself that it wouldn't be my taxes keeping the place running — robot dogs and all, as it turns out — for the rest of my life.

  5. steelpillow Silver badge
    Coat

    We'll let you know if we hear back

    We'll let you know if we hear bark?

    1. The Organ Grinder's Monkey Bronze badge

      Re: We'll let you know if we hear back

      I'll be bark?

      1. steelpillow Silver badge

        Re: We'll let you know if we hear back

        and playing ruff!

  6. johnB

    An interesting side effect

    An interesting side effect of the 1957 Windscale / Sellafield leak was that an amateur inventor in Southern England was having difficulty calibrating his latest device. Unknown to him, he'd detected the leak.

    The inventor was, of course, James Lovelock, who subsequently went on to develop the GAIA hypothesis.

  7. Marty McFly Silver badge
    Facepalm

    What could possibly go wrong??

    It is the age of massive AI computing. Add autonomous robot dogs. Put them in a radioactive environment.

    This already reads like a bad Hollywood movie script!

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hot Dogs!

    And who services and repairs these dangerous hounds?

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Hot Dogs!

      Expect a new grade of waste to start appearing in a few years; EoL hot dogs…

    2. SnailFerrous Silver badge

      Re: Hot Dogs!

      Optimus robot vets, obviously.

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

        Re: Hot Dogs!

        Vets bills in the UK are a ripoff already, add in nuclear precautions and waste handling and disposal, probably cheaper to just scrap it. Just like what owners reluctantly opt for and euthenise fido at a certain point.

  9. LBJsPNS Silver badge

    Referring to these things as dogs is an insult to dogs everywhere.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      We don't mind. Says my Cat overlord

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