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There's no keeping an obsolete operating system down, although keeping it operational can sometimes be a challenge, if public terminals are any indication. Today's bork uses an OS that dates back 26 years, but is still serving up train tickets. Windows 2000 Professional seems to be a popular choice for ticket machine operators …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Windows

    Windows, again

    Just another example of why you should use Linux to ensure a stable environment.

    Some day, Fortune 1000 CEOs will finally get the message, after pouring untold millions into lost work time and profits due to Borkzilla's ever-repeating failures.

    Someday.

    Thank God I'm only a few years away from retirement. . .

    1. mIVQU#~(p,

      Re: Windows, again

      I'm all in on Linux but it's not bullet proof either.

    2. blu3b3rry Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: Windows, again

      I'd trust Win 2000 way more than some newer versions. At least it isn't running Copilot enabled Windows 11. Assuming it could actually boot into the software without crashing, it'd likely start hallucinating trying to sell tickets to destinations that don't exist in currencies that aren't of this universe.

      1. Zenubi

        Re: Windows, again

        And, it seems to be rebooting so maybe all is well.

        (Ah Windows 2000 - life was so much simpler in many ways and the future full of techy promise - Sigh)

      2. Strangelove

        Unknown destinations

        AI can indeed mess up your train maps big time - like this example reported quite recently, How anyone can publish that without realizing the obvious errors is remarkable.

        https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/warrington-warrington-via-manchester-airpont-33232632

        For foreign users, there is only one place called Warrington, and it should be in Cheshire, while Hull is on the coast... Mind you it may explain the delays to other rail projects too,

        Mke

    3. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Windows, again

      Back then I suspect Microsoft's national language support (and all the i16n & L14n stuff) was a bit ahead of Linux (Thai has its own "alphabet" and numerals.†)

      Although proprietary Unixes based on system V.3 and particularly V.4 might have been up to the task.

      † makes reading the street signs in Bangkok a challenge but managed to negotiate our way to the Democracy [sic] Monument with a German map (it was nearly impossible to obtain maps of SE Asian cities in the late 1990s. Probably still is.)

    4. John_Ericsson

      Re: Windows, again

      "Some day, Fortune 1000 CEOs will finally get the message ..."

      Some day the GNU/Linux zealots will get why CEOs allow windows within the organisation. When that happens the situation WILL change.

      However rather than doing that, why not create another distribution and ten more text editors.

      1. Stuart Castle

        Re: Windows, again

        Windows is terrible for a lot of things (particulalry the amount of data that gets sent back to microsoft with little or no knowledge of the user, let alone consent), but one thing it does have is mature and powerful systems for deployment and management at scale.

        We use System Center at work, and while it's a beast that ideally you need training, and time to master, it's powerful. I could, should I need to, log on to the Console and get thousands of machines to wipe themselves, reinstall windows and any software needed for the machine. This would take a couple of days to complete, and in terms of my interaction, about 30 seconds. I am not going to do so because it would be too disruptive. Want an application on 1,000 machines? Ignoring the time required for creating and testing the deployment, it would take, again, about 30 seconds of interaction and a couple of days. If Microsoft issue a new update, we can have it on 99% of our estate 48 hours after it completes testing.

        Linux is also good, particularly on machines that aren't necessarily as powerful as the latest machines. Despite how this post might sound, I love Linux.

        But Linux has problems. One of which is the sheer number of distributions. I like Ubuntu, but if I were a newbie, how would I know which linux to use? There are dozens, all seemingly very similar. Also, I had a project at work a few years ago. We needed a lot of digital signs quickly and had almost no budget to install them, so couldn't afford the £1000 windows based totems used elsewhere.

        i came up with an incredibly cheap solution involving mounting a raspberry pi on the back of a monitor and mounting the monitor where we wanted signs. The Pi's would just have displayed a webpage, or still graphic with the sign. It would have cost about £150 per unit as opposed to £1000. I'm not counting power or networking, because both solutions would likely have needed that.

        Our IT department refused to authorise the project unless I came up with a decent way of managing updates to the Pis. I considered Pi Server (the Raspberry Pi produced VM that enabled netbooting pis (which would have made updating them easy), but it didn't look like it would scale up.

        I needed an integrated management system that could, in theory, manage hundreds of pis. I asked on various Linux forums (and on here), and didn't get a sensible answer, with every query being answered by a general "Use Linux U noob" type response, and usually a lot less polite than that.

        Sadly, becase of that, my company just bought a few more totems (they can be managed with our existing infrastructure) and called it a day.

        Unfortunately, in that case, ideology lost out to practicality, even though practicality cost more.

        1. herman Silver badge

          Re: Windows, again

          There are very good tools for managing clusters and large numbers of Linux machines. For example Parallel SSH (pssh) and Puppet. Also Ansible, mussh and more. Just Google to find them.

      2. Pickle Rick

        Re: Windows, again

        > ...ten more text editors.

        It's vi all the way down baby!

        Joking (?) aside, you're comparing fast food with healthy eating. The masses accepting something doesn't make it the best thing, that's marketing. Zealots on both sides are unlikely advocates for the best fit. So yeah, a greasy burger is nice every now and again, but needing to run to the loo[1] every first Tuesday of the month has gotta be a clue it's not good for you.

        One man's meat is another man's poison. Enjoy :D

        [1] Edit: "restroom" for my Left Pondian cousins :)

    5. frankvw Silver badge

      Re: Windows, again

      "Just another example of why you should use Linux to ensure a stable environment."

      Not even Linux can prevent hardware issues. I remember a VERY long flight from Johannesburg to Heathrow with a flight entertainment system on board that only displayed console output while trying to load a driver that didn't want to play ball.

      Something can always break.

      1. A. Coatsworth

        Re: Windows, again

        I had the exact same experience with an in-flight entertainment console, and even managed to have it featured in this esteemed rag, many moons ago.

        Bork!

    6. Piro

      Re: Windows, again

      To be fair, it's likely to be failing hardware

  2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    The Customers DID embrace it

    The professionals for sure! Gaming was not yet on the priority for Windows 2000.

  3. Pickle Rick
    Trollface

    Is it just me...

    ...or does the jpg in TFA imply the system fell over?

    (My neck hurts - I'm glad the wind didn't change direction while I was looking at it!)

  4. wolfetone Silver badge
    Coat

    Chess?

    Bangkok, Oriental setting

    And the city don't know what the city is getting

    The crème de la crème of the tech world

    In a show with everything but an up-to-date Windows OS

    Time flies—doesn't seem a minute

    Since Windows 2000 had the chess boys playing with it

    All change—don't you know that when you

    Play at this level there's no ordinary venue?

    It's Iceland—or the Philippines—or Hastings—or—

    Or this place!

    1. Pickle Rick
      Thumb Up

      Re: Chess?

      I can't say you've ruined my day, cos I started singing that in my head as soon as I started reading the article! Top track, and top parody, although I would correct:

      It's Iceland Greenland, Mr President!

  5. speed

    That takes me back

    To the time when the internet was called the cyber highway

  6. User McUser

    Windows 2000 was the best

    IMHO, Windows 2000 was peak Microsoft - it was the version of Windows that got me off of OS/2. Mainly because it was as stable and quick as OS/2, but it let me play all those Win32 video games I otherwise had to reboot into Win98 for.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Originally branded Windows NT 5.0, Microsoft decided that calling it "2000" would help customers embrace NT after enduring the joys of Windows 95 and Windows 98.".

    This is most likely because it was intended to be the direct replacement for the DOS-based 98 SE, i.e. the next mainstream version of Windows.

    Unfortunately, legacy compatibility issues meant they had to put that on hold (hence presumably why the DOS-based ME came out instead) and it wasn't until XP that the main Windows line finally moved from DOS to an NT-based version.

  8. Cliffwilliams44 Silver badge

    To my utter shock and dismay

    I once, in 2010, saw an ATM in the office building my employer was in, reboot. I then saw the Windows 95 startup screen!

    That was the day, I quit using ATMs anywhere!

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