"Instead, Meta is betting on AI as bulky headsets become things of the past."
So AI is the new VR. Or did I misread this?
Imagine changing your popular brand to capitalize on an emerging tech trend that never emerged. Mark Zuckerberg did just that, and now Meta is backing away from the virtual reality business in which it invested billions. In 2025, Meta's Reality Labs division, responsible for the company's various VR projects, posted a $4.2 …
Never mind..
Zuck killed VR with his own grubby hands when he bought Oculus, forced users to have a Fakbook account, shoved in a load of creepy slurp features that nobody wanted, and then strong-armed game devs into exclusivity deals with his stinking pile of shit of a platform.
He stands to lose an order of magnitude more money on Meta AI, and my only regret is the lack of a popcorn icon on El Reg
'spectacularly successful'
Please translate this into small words that a 5 year old child would understand !!!
My reading of 'spectacularly successful' when parsed gives a NULL, based on my understanding of these words in the context of 'AI'.
Maybe 'Does not compute' would help you to understand my problem !!!
Thanks in advance.
:)
We've aready hada few discussions within El Reg comments about 'success' in the IT world being a tricksy thing. i.e. Microslop adding coprolite ("Microslop Coprolite" really works as a descripptive phrase I think) to every part of W11 and tricking users into clikcing it does not really make for an active concenting user but it will almost certainly count as an active AI user in their numbers.
'spectacularly successful'
For everyone out there using this AI stuff, you need to stop for a moment and ask yourselves a couple of questions:
1) What did we do before this came along ?
and
2) What has changed that requires us to *need* this AI ?
The answers are "you engaged your brain and started thinking" and "nothing" respectively.
So all you are actually doing is dumbing down your abilities and becoming reliant on AI LLM's , and what are you going to do when they start charging enough to pay for it (assuming it does not implode first)?
An upvote for times long past — Benny Hill, Dick Emery, Dave Allen etc etc.
Benny Hill nice work if you can get it.
No, it's because people use it.
You or I may not, but 'asking ChatGPT' is for many people the new googling.
I asked one of my work colleagues the other day what their plans for a feature were, their response was 'I'll ask Claude'.
My cynicism wasn't helped though, as at the end of the day I was writing a ticket for a change to our CI/CD pipeline. As I know it'll just get chucked at AI I did that myself to check the description was verbose enough.
45 minutes later it's committing the changes to a branch as the ones it suggested were as good as they would've been if a dev had written them. In fact, in terms of documentation and structure probably much better than the slightly hacky job I would've done myself. Total cost according to Claude was about $0.45 plus an hour of my time. (I expect that same AI usage cost in a year or two to be magnitudes greater).
Mind you, I still don't get 'asking ChatGPT'... I'm a dev by trade, I can look at the output of Claude and see what it's doing; or if it recommends a library I can check that out. But if I ask ChatGPT a question I still have to check it's not just making stuff up. This still seems harder to me than just googling.
"No, it's because people use it.
You or I may not, but 'asking ChatGPT' is for many people the new googling."
I suspect they use it, as I've found with colleagues, beause it is there and being pushed to the front. People being people, will often use what tool it closest to hand - or perhaps more accurately (I fear) put closest to hand.
"But if I ask ChatGPT a question I still have to check it's not just making stuff up"
Sadly, I also suspect many don't do such checking - because using the likes and ChatGPT (or the alternatives) involves less effort.
The chief of police for the West Midlands was forced to resign because his staff got their misleading intel using AI, in regard to a particularly troublesome football fixture, instead of the old school method of Googling it. A lesson to be learnt for us meat bags, but clearly an impossible task in asking AI to better itself.
I think there was a definite agenda to get rid of the police chief ("AI" screw up or not - it would have happened anyway)
Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have a reputation for a massive hooligan element - anyone who has a smattering of interest in international club football is aware of that.
Even cause issues problems in Israel
So banning was a reasonable decision by the police (quite a rarity for me to say something positive about UK policing policy!).
However a huge amount of UK politicians get funding from pro Israel groups & so a lot of pressure was exerted via financial backers to make an example of West Midlands police for making a sensible safety decision that reflected badly on Israelis (plus plenty of media pressure too).
Whether you are pro Israel or regard Israel as a genocidal terrorist state, if you are in the UK you should be very unhappy with huge political interference by a foreign state irrespective of it being a state you love / hate (lots of outcry over Russian interference, but media tumbleweed zone over Israeli interference)
I'm not kind enough to sack him. Demote him to constable and put him on the beat. "Pour encourager les autres."
Apparently the Home Secretary doesn't have the power to sack a chief c*ntstable, for quite sensible reasons. There must be somebody "watching the watchmen" though.
Does this mean the horizon stuff they push in front of the gui will take a back seat and let me use my quest 3 as I want to?
It's actually pretty good tech and great for the handful of niche's it does, for an hour or so (after that my eyes ache from focusing so close).
Fun toy, nothing more, special kind of idiot to have spent so much on something so obviously limited.
Second life also showed that the human brain is more than happy to make up the missing bits when were staring at a 3d rendering on a flat screen and by the time Meta started burning cash, it was clear that people don't even want to wear polarizing glasses to increase 3D fidelity (see the massive continued success of 3D TV and Movie theaters, not)
I still want a VR headset, for games and flight sims it is rumoured to be fun. But that's a tiny marked, comparitatively.
It's also just the market for that VR stuff is going to be a small one to begin with. Whether it's miners for whatever "cryptocurrency" or "AI", getting one that can run VR comfortably means a small percentage of users, except perhaps the serious gamer market. On top of that, I don't know the percentage, but a fair number of people get motion sickness[1] symptoms from the headsets as well. If that percentage is non-trivial, it's going to shrink the market even more.
[1] I wouldn't even *touch* VR because I'm sensitive enough that even playing a game using 1st person perspective on a laptop makes me queasy.
From the very beginning it was obvious that VR was for gaming.
Heck, even the examples in fiction are almost entirely games. The Star Trek Holodeck is used purely for recreation in all except maybe two episodes.
The Quest 3 is very, very good, and a huge amount of fun.
The trouble is:
A) It's impossible to advertise. It has to be experienced to find out whether you're in the majority who enjoy it or the minority who absolutely hate it.
Nobody is going to spend that kind of money if there's any chance they're in the latter group.
B) There aren't enough games because they're hard to develop and test. Many of them also need tethering to a big beast of a PC, because deploying to "native" is harder than it should be. So it's not really a games console, raising the cost further.
C) You need a pretty big room with a relatively high ceiling to play most of the games. Most people don't have a 2.4m cube they can dedicate to gaming.
D) You often end up having to stop because the batteries need charging, not because you wanted to.
E) The above combined means that game sessions are often a slog to start. You can't just hit a button, grab your controller of choice and play, you have to clear space, start your PC and Steam, put on and adjust the headset, verify the space is clear, launch Steam in VR, then finally launch the game.
Always worth remembering the Star Trek Holodeck only worked because of some off-menu TARDIS capabilities that appeared to be used in no other context ever. If the crew’s “Holo Adventures” had been limited to the size of the ‘deck itself it would have made rather less compelling viewing…
Not really. In canon it simulates larger spaces by projecting the background and moving the floor the players are standing on.
There are real-life VR rigs that do that same - very expensive of course, so effectively bespoke. Never tried one. Would like to, but I'm not spending that kind of money!
I don't think it's explicitly mentioned with regards to the holodeck, but as Star Trek has artificial gravity it can also apply arbitrary acceleration forces on the players, so presumably it can physically re-center everyone without them noticing.
So, single player would be trivial and work in any space big enough to wave your arms and legs without hitting anything.
Multiplayer holodeck is much harder, but presumably works as long as everyone is either sufficiently close to each other in-game, or is far enough apart that they can have their own slice of simulation.
There is at least one episode where they explicitly talk about the holodeck being physically too small for the number of people in it, so had to make sure they stayed together.
Where it got really silly was the myriad of ridiculous breakdowns, of course. But hey, it's a TV show.
The Enterprise is certainly large enough to have a say, warehouse-sized holodeck easily. It certainly could be possible to do all the things you're talking about without the users really noticing. Now, the DS9 holosuites and Voyager's holodeck would likely be much smaller (unless the station had one or two huge ones and several small ones) and you'd more likely to lose suspension of disbelief.
But yes, MST3K mantra time.
I can get seasick on a pedalo. VR I can only handle if what is being presented is from a static viewpoint.
Anything else and it's very unpleasant and vertigo inducing before making me feel ill.
I'd love to play something like Elite Dangerous or some WW2 flight sim in VR but my inner ear isn't up to it.
I find 3D almost as uncomfortable as an LCD panel on the wrong resolution. (About 10 minutes for the panel. About 25 minutes for regular 3D, about 100 minutes for iMax.).
The only movies I have seen that I could say benefit from 3D are Avatar and Tron Ares.
The result is that I will only watch 3D movies in iMax, and only if it is something I really want to watch. I'll quite happily take a risk on a 2D movie, though. And if there is a choice between 3D and 2D, I'll choose 2D, but sadly there isn't where I live.
So I would guess 3D has cut down what I would watch in the cinema by about a third.
Second Life is still a thing - in fact, my church is there. It may even be growing in popularity, generalizing from an n of 1: our Bible study class, which had 3 members for several years, now has 7-10 people showing up reliably. Everyone is welcome to come back and play!
I've never spent a penny of real $money on it, although I've been there for something like 11 years. Maybe more.
In terms of immersion VR is fantastic. Managed to revive my HP Reverb G2 with Oasis drivers available on Steam after Windows 11 dropped support for VR. It maybe niche, but what a niche it is. Looking forward to a new VR development from Valve slated for "early 2026", the Steam Frame headset. Look Ma, no Meta!
Credible sources (WSJ) report the total cost of the Metaverse fiasco at $77bn, and that's before the write offs attached to this latest announcement. That's a shitload of cash to burn and get nothing back. Luckily for Zuck, the impending AI implosion will make a $77bn screw up look like chicken feed in the history books.
Hey Zuck! Chuck me a billion, and I'll make some favourable-to-Meta posts on Linkedin. That'll be an ROI many orders of magnitude better than either the Metavese, or your next foolhardy endeavours in AI.
Numpties around the world would have fought to throw money in the pit. Think of the data centres you would need for 3D VR AI rendering!
Perhaps an appeal to the orange one. Can Murica afford for China to win at VR AI and agentic VR? Think of the military consequences!
I used the Meta VR software as part of job, and let me just say: wow, the Meta software was among the most awkward software. When I tried it, just to start the desktop software involved too many random bits of software you had to run, putting on the headset to click a button in VR and then taking it off to run something on the PC, and then putting the headset back on ...
I copied in some photos of a server room and a dual-acting fire suppression system and asked it to explain what it sees. I mean, this is the first, one-and-only time I’ve given it a whirl. It kinda got most of it right! The fire sprinklers, though, it said had a stamp “K=3.5” indicative of a K-factor of 3.5, which relates gpm flow rate to pressure head. I’m like… the model number clearly indicates a K-factor of 5.6. So I ask Microsoft, where do you see K=3.5? I don’t see it!
Followed by ebullient apologies and “you are so right,” and all this fake phoney baloney. It made up some other “fact” out of thin air too, I forget what. That’s 1 trial and 2 major mistakes ON THE FIRST TRY! Holy cow!
It’s like A.I. driving your car. The error rate is astounding! The misjudgments and misidentifications are absolutely incredible. Anybody who genuinely throws their hands up and gives in to this deeply flawed technology is either profoundly ignorant, or they have a genuine death-wish. Or both!
LLMs don't make up facts and are incapable of making mistakes. They simply predict a sequence of words that probab(ilistic)ly follow on from your prompt on the basis of what was seen in the training data. They have no understanding of your previous interactions, no matter how recent. Each conversation takes place against a tabula rasa context.
Ascribing actual intelligence to this is a category error.
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I had a try at a VR experience a couple of years back, with a trip to the War of the worlds immersive experience.
The thing was a number of set pieces in different rooms, each dramatising key points in the story. There was some fairly good live action scenarios, with special theatrical effects, alternating with VR headset pieces.
Memorably, a boat trip out into the Thames estuary was VR. One sat in a slightly wobbly wooden "boat" that rocked as the headset showed the trip out onto the water and a martian fighting machine striding in. The effect was completed by getting a light spray of water while wearing the headset. It was surprisingly effective. But only the one time round. It's not a thing one would be getting into every other day.
That strapping a heavy souped up mobile phone to your face that can frequently induce nausea and headaches in many people isn’t a great seller?
That a device that requires a large empty enclosed space to be properly useable isn’t a great seller? surely all of us have large homes, right?
That poncing about in Zucks idea of a metaverse is not an appealing prospect?
never would’ve guessed.
Bereft of any ideas of their own to improve humanity (if you can't think up of at least five in a minute then you're probably a sociopath just like they are but without the money), they just lift ideas from Sci Fi they read or watched as kids and throw GDP-sized amounts of money at it - Zuckerborg from Neal Stephenson and just the other day Musk from Star Trek. The only thing they add is the fascism.
There were thousands in education before and a push in a lot of places, lots seem to have stopped or paused buying. If you are not in education, you are not getting exposure, skills to use or on the radar of the workforce.
The new licence was imposed on existing devices not just new ones. Rollout was without warning (lots of NDAs) and was initially £169 a year additional cost for each device. Without buying, existing management software stopped working when Meta Quest 3 devices were reset, regardless of when purchased. It offered nothing of use.
They handed out one year free licence eventually but I suspect many just stopped. We moved from META to an alternative from PICO, we won’t be going back as risks are too high of repeating the cash grab.
I heard a nice description of AI making your work average. So, if you were below average to start with, it is an improvement and you are impressed. Count most Managers in this group. But if you were ABOVE average, it drags you down as you spend more time finding the mistakes. Remember what George Carlin pointed out: you know how stupid the average person is? Well half the population is worse than that.
And the utterances of the orange one should not be named "thruths" but simply "Social media Posts".
His executive orders and, should it ever happen, bills should never be mentioned with names such as "big beautiful" or "liberation day", but simply as orders and bills.
His milittary actions and unilateral attacks should be named just that, no "operation gigantic awesomeness" or similar.
His department of defence should continue to be mentioned as such until the day comes that a vote for a name change passes, and the Gulf of Mexico should continue to be so.
I do not get it why the Press goes along with these naming schemes. Just call things by what they are, and show the world and the voters how naked the emperor actually is.
I love VR, but at the moment the headsets are just too heavy to wear comfortably for an extended period of time.
I was pleased to see Xynavo virtual display glasses (not VR) of less than 100 grams on Kickstarter. Something of this order is needed to make extended use possible.
I do fear that Meta will eventually abandon VR because the profitability isn't up to snuff and they need more cash to invest in A.I.
The way to approach a "metaverse" is to give people something fun to do and come back, e.g. an MMO with quests and progression, places to explore, danger. Then let users go wild creating races, factions, clans, bases etc to organically grow out this place. They'll come back for the progression, to hang out, for the raids etc. Plenty of opportunity to monetise the experience without being too heavy handed. It should feel slightly chaotic and mad, but fun.
OR go the Meta route. Create a bunch of boring zones where there is NOTHING to do except play some lame and broken minigames. A metaverse so profoundly dull that all the avatars look like humans, and it was a big deal when they got legs. A metaverse where Zuckerberg envisioned people gathering in virtual conference rooms to look at presentations. God knows how many focus groups and committees Meta ran their vision through to get to where they got by dear god did it fail hard.
Sounds about right.
Anyhoo I thought these Techbros were supposed to have god-like powers of business acumen?
Every person I ever met who knew about Meta thought it was a crap idea. I even got to experience as business led meta project.
I fedback that the experience was a generaly negative one. As usual I was told I was wrong and not to expect a gaming experice.
Apparently I wasn't wrong and people really don't want to experience a simulated 20min walk from virtual vendor hall to virtual conference room.