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Retailer SparkFun Electronics last month said it would no longer do business with electronics kit-maker Adafruit Industries, citing violations of SparkFun's Code of Conduct during online interactions. Adafruit says it's being punished for demanding an end to online harassment attributed to SparkFun's founder and a former …

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  2. LBJsPNS Silver badge

    I would need to hear SparkFun's side of this, because I already know Adafruit is full of crap. They canceled an order I was depending on when I had the audacity to ask when it would ship, after they had missed the ship date by two weeks, leaving me scrambling for alternatives. They make a few ineresting items but dealing with them isn't worth the drama.

    1. Woodnag

      Wow

      You had a bad experience with Adafruit... so you doubt the story? The story may or may not hold up, but I'm afraid (afried?) that your order experience is irrelevant.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Wow

        Hey, hey, come on now.

        Don't you know that if a company EVER messes up a SINGLE order that means the company is totally untrustworthy, only out to cause problems and stir up drama wherever it can?

        Why, if they CANCELED this person's order then they are PROBABLY IN LEAGUE WITH SATAN and working to steal all the rice pudding and corrupt all our precious bodily fluids, let alone stirring up things with Sparkfun.

        I bet you, by the end of the week, we will have heard AT LEAST three more examples of Adafruit RUINING somebody's life and then we'll HAVE to accept that as a statistically significant sample that proves Adafruit are the absolute pits. PROVES it!

        So there! Nyaah!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wow

          And just maybe that item which was late and then cancelled could have been something Sparkfun was supposed to supply. Wouldn't that be something.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > leaving me scrambling for alternatives

      AdaFruit (and SparkFun) are consumer / prosumer companies. I don't truly believe you were 'scrambling' for alternatives when it comes to your "garage door opening hobby project".

      1. LBJsPNS Silver badge

        Yes, I found out they're not a professional outfit when the interactives for one of my traveling exhibitions were delayed by several weeks. I'll definitely agree with that assessment.

  3. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Facepalm

    The whole world …

    appears to have become incredibly antsy and bellicose.

    Probably time for everyone to take a deep breath … otherwise this won't end well … tears before bedtime the least of it.

    The ghastly truth is that most of these tiffs are a real distraction from the contemporary truly horrid things that ought to be confronted and combatted.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The whole world …

      Was it always thus, and just happened out of sight, or are we now reaping the fruits of a couple of generations growing up in a post-courteous, post-manners world?

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Stop

    "Torrone and Fried are married"

    That is already an enormous red flag when business deals are concerned.

    Someone wiser than me told me once : never do business with friends, it never ends well. I'm guessing family is even worse.

    1. JessicaRabbit

      Re: "Torrone and Fried are married"

      By business do you mean in different companies? I ask only because Torrone and Fried both work at Adafruit.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "Torrone and Fried are married"

        It would probably have been a bigger risk to call the company 'Fried Circuit Boards'.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I just wanted to make sure I share my experience with Sparkfun and why I stopped using them a long time ago. I have had a handful of Sparkfun designs be duds and found them to have often non-existent support after the sale. Often pawning the support off on others.

    On the other hand, Adafruit has supported their devices and owned up to errors even when they did not have to do so.

    It’s up to every individual to do the work to figure out if the contents of a call-out are useful and genuine, it is way to easy for people to misuse them now a days.

    What I do know is that Adafruit, Limor Fried and Phillip Torrone have always treated me with the utmost respect. I know this because their work and actions back that up.

    It's my best guess that this was someone did not like the fact they got called out. Sparkfun having some "Calling-in" rule is BS because it allows for people to claim a problem is solved without actually solving it. So I would avoid anything that forbid public call-outs.

    I think this is the right decision not to hide it all from the eyes of the public.

    1. Ian Mason

      An endorsement would carry a lot more weight if it wasn't posted as AC.

      Why avoid attribution if all you're doing is saying "He's OK"? [the astute will be reading that in Columbia's voice as she comments on Frankie's new playmate]

  6. Andy 73

    Soap opera

    I've read the article twice, followed some of the threads on a number of forums and... still don't know what's going on.

    Both companies are small-ish and very dependent on the passionate support of a niche hobbyist community. I've got every sympathy for them as I also sell kits (in a much smaller capacity) and know how precarious things are, and how challenging it is to be heard. Their dependency on each other appears to be a consequence of the difficulty in building sustainable businesses with a small customer base of very opinionated and demanding techies. No-one buys electronic project kits to impress their neighbours.

    It seems that the Adafruit team are working hard to put their side of the argument out there, which doesn't speak to innocence or guilt, but does leave me somewhat confused. Neither company seems very well able to deal with criticism or challenges to their deeply held beliefs.

    Before buying from either of them in future, I'll be looking carefully for alternatives that aren't likely to drag me into someone else's argument.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Soap opera

      Here is more context:

      https://chaos.social/@North/115602127173454774

      It seems a former sparkfun employee made a site that made fun of PT, to which he over-reacted and led to strange emails to Nate

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      2. Tom66

        Re: Soap opera

        It's hard to read any of Pete (from Adafruit's) emails with any level of seriousness. No use of capitalisation, minimal and incorrect punctuation, and constantly interjecting personal matters into what shouldn't be personal things (like talking about their kid all the time).

      3. Ian Mason

        Re: Soap opera

        Now, based on past experience of watching Adafruit's rather fragile egoed founders get into spats with people, that has more of the ring of truth to it than how Adafruit seem to be trying to spin this.

        I have no skin in this game, just my thoughts as a completely disinterested party.

        1. imanidiot

          Re: Soap opera

          This assesment seems closest to the truth. Adafruits founders have been in this sort of drama before and it seems often at least in part self-inflicted. Seems like someone in Sparkfun might have liked poking the bear a little bit and PT has reacted... poorly.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Soap opera

      > Before buying from either of them in future, I'll be

      looking at the articles on sale and whether they will satisfy my current requirements, particularly as the prime reason for buying items made by either of them is that they design and/or manufacture (have manufactured) their own particular spins on hardware. Like the bulk of the world, I'm not in the US so there is no point in using either of them as suppliers for more generic goods; indeed, don't actually deal directly with either company but via local retail.

      As they are suppliers to the hobbyist, development and (extremely) small run manufacturing markets, I don't pay any attention to how long they are likely to keep that product alive - if the next project moves to different hardware (shrug); buy a couple of spares now but if necessary.

      So this argument is interesting but so far pretty irrelevant in practice.

  7. Chris Evans

    FYI LadyAda

    Limor Fried is frequently known by her moniker 'ladyada', a homage to Lady Ada Lovelace.

    1. Ian Mason

      Re: FYI LadyAda

      "Homage to" or stolen glory?

      I'm not saying that is the case, I don't know, but I'm always a little uncomfortable with people who give themselves monikers that smack of self-aggrandisement.

  8. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

    Children children...

    This all reads like a playground fight between bickering children and neither side are coming out of this looking good.

    Especially with both sides resorting to washing laundry in public.

    Glad I buy from neither if that's how they conduct business.

    1. PRR Silver badge

      Re: Children children...

      > Glad I buy from neither if that's how they conduct business.

      Me too. I was considering a project using supplies from either or both fine firms, but am now glad that didn't go forward.

      BTW: "Torrone and Fried are married." --- I am utterly baffled why the link is to a KIDS site. The fact being supported is also on the more adult Wikipedia site, so the kids link seems condescending. (Or why it matters, this day and age, that a partnership is church-blessed, or town-clerk certified, or bonded in solder.)

  9. captain veg Silver badge

    lost

    Was this article, in fact, a lost chapter from Do Ants Have Arseholes?

    -A.

  10. mevets

    Teensyx

    Teensyx would be a great rebranding, an oracle-esque embrace off all the bad bits.

    1. Irongut Silver badge

      Re: Teensyx

      TeensyX... is that what Musk calls his old chap?

  11. imanidiot

    A crap show indeed

    After having read up on exactly what the background drama was that started this *hrrkk* on .. *Barf* social media.. I'm inclined to go with the view that: mr. Torrone needs to take a nap and possibly see a psychologist about untreated or badly treated mental health issues flaring up due to newborn child induced lack of sleep. It really looks like MAYBE someone (formerly?) associated with Sparkfun said a few bad things about him once, they had an internet tiff that died out years ago, then someone ELSE (unnamed) recently said something bad, he "internet sleuthed" the wrong person, concluded the first guy (formerly? associated with Sparkfun) was his target and then went on an internet crusade to dox and spew misinformation about this person. Sparkfun apparently got involved in the back-splatter from this due to the (former) association to this person and decided they didn't want to have to do business with someone acting in this manner.

    Given that afaikt he's got a history of... less well adapted social behaviour shall we say, I'm not entirely surprised this happened.

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