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Concerns are mounting over copper supplies, with a fresh study warning that demand will likely outstrip production within a decade, threatening to constrain global technological advancement. Electrification of industry, electric vehicles, and the AI-driven boom in IT infrastructure are all fueling demand for copper, used for …

  1. TVU Silver badge

    "Concerns are mounting over copper supplies, with a fresh study warning that demand will likely outstrip production within decade, threatening to constrain global technological advancement"

    I have to say that the problem would be smaller for copper and rare earth element supplies if more electrical waste recycling was done across the planet.

    1. doug_bostrom

      I was going to remark about how it's perfectly routine to toss vacuum cleaners etc. into a tip but you beat me to it.

      Unfortunately freedumb still rules.

    2. Yorick Hunt Silver badge

      Make repairable (as opposed to disposable) products and there won't be so much of a need for recycling.

      Yes, I'm a dreamer.

  2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "recycling will provide only a third of total supply by 2040, leaving a substantial shortfall even with aggressive collection improvements."

    Aggressive collection? Is that a euphemism for cable theft?

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Dynamic free market independent contractors implementing an advanced recycling operation

      1. retiredFool

        The last copper price spike

        Had several independent contractors deinstalling old running exterior AC/heat pump systems to recycle the copper cores. Quite a lot of copper in there. Nothing deterred them either in their mission. If it was running, easy, pull the power at the junction box. Code here requires a emergency shutoff. Convenient. After pulling power, hacksaw off the connections disconnect and wheel it off.

        Many modern systems have switched to AL based coils. Of course there is still that juicy compressor motor to be had! And AL prices are up too. Metal, the new oil.

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      Given how much old cabling, especially old Cat cabling, currently simply gets dumped due to the costs of trying to reclaim the copper, a substantial shortage might change the economics.

      Additionally, it would seem an increase in the cost of copper may also change the economics of running Catn verses fibre: why install Cat8 when you could use fibre?

      This would have a (potentially small) impact on the demand for copper, reducing that shortfall.

      Aside: perhaps the time is right to replicate the 1980s events in the Ethernet world, where a proposal for a new IEEE802.n working group to focus on LAN over twisted-pair was changed into a new subgroup under 802.3 CSMA/CD aka Ethernet. Hence with fibre perhaps we should say take Single Mode (OS2) fibre and LC UPC Simplex connectors and brand it Cat9.

  3. TimMaher Silver badge
    Pirate

    Greenland

    Have they got mineable copper?

    Just asking for a fiend.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Greenland

      According to the link buried in

      https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250121-the-enormous-challenge-of-mining-greenland

      then yes (probably). Also plenty of lithium, if anyone knows of a use for that...

      1. neilg

        Re: Greenland

        The UK probably has greater lithium deposits than Greenland, particularly in Cornwall.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Greenland

          Don't tell him Pike !

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Greenland

      Fiend - That's another shirt ruined by spitting out my coffee. Last time it was Arc de Trump.

    3. tmTM

      Re: Just asking for a fiend.

      A friend named Donald?

  4. midgepad Bronze badge

    plateau

    I hope, rather than peak.

    There's probably a lot in the sea, rather dilute.

  5. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    More Anti-China rhetoric

    >> China presents a particular concern

    Let's read about American dominance in computing being a 'particular concern'. I don't mean just the one odd snippet here and there, but in every article.

  6. Neil Barnes Silver badge

    Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

    Apparently so: https://www.ricardo.com/en/news-and-insights/industry-insights/alumotor-the-environmentally-efficient-e-motor-solution

    1. PRR Silver badge

      Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

      > aluminium wires for motor cores?

      Obviously. It is a little bulkier, but not much/any heavier. It is a nuisance to solder well, but at factory scale is trivial; welding works too.

    2. Chipwidget

      Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

      When the laws of supply and demand force prices higher, substitution steps in. Aluminium works fine for many electrical applications. Most HV transmission lines are already aluminium around a steel core

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

        Not sure about buried low voltage. Talking to the guys digging a hole to repair yet another mains cable fault down the road "It was laid when they used aluminium". This was the 3rd or 4th failure of the actual cable in about 300 metres in 20 odd years plus at least two connections to premises.

        1. Roland6 Silver badge

          Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

          But was the failure due to poor quality cable sheathing (allowing for erosion and corrosion of the core) or to some inherit fault in using aluminium as the core?

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

            Possibly. It may also have been due to having been buried fairly shallowly. There's no great depth of soil over the bedrock - trench digging is more akin to quarrying - so it may be that the cables are insufficiently protected from traffic damage. On the other hand the crew working on the repair seemed to regard it as a characteristic of the material.

            1. Roland6 Silver badge

              Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

              Near me a major local road has been closed for a significant length of time as they finally decided to reroute various utilties eg. Water and gas, because the (iron) pipes were buried at a depth considered reasonable at the time, but wholly insufficient to protect them from todays traffic.

              So suspect the road crews are right, the material is slightly more brittle than copper; sufficient for it to be more easily damaged, due as you note because it could not be installed at a depth to insulate it from traffic vibration etc.

      2. The Organ Grinder's Monkey Bronze badge

        Re: Hmm, aluminium wires for motor cores?

        There's a slew of houses across the UK filled with aluminium-cored mains wiring. I have one such, built in 1964, a previous copper price peak apparently.

        Like many old fashioned wiring systems it's generally OK if you leave it well alone, but the al cores do harden over time & become brittle, meaning that simple repairs can turn into cable replacement. Whether that's corrosion or work hardening from the constant 50hz vibration I've no idea, both possibly?

        I've encountered plenty of rubber-insulated wiring still in use, but the slightest touch makes it disintegrate. Haven't yet found a lead & fabric insulated cable in service...

  7. Eric Olson

    Get the Space Miners ready

    We're going to need them sooner than expected.

  8. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    If only they hadn't abolished the penny

    They have just gone to the bank and taken out a $Bn in copper 1C coins

  9. sitta_europea

    The 1c coin has been more then 97% zinc since 1982.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(United_States_coin)

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