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Japanese tech investment giant SoftBank needs to secure $22.5 billion before the end of the year to make good on its commitments to AI partner OpenAI. According to Reuters, there are several levers SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son could pull in order to put the funding package together, including calling on untapped margin loans …

  1. Joe W Silver badge

    OpenAI has become prfitable....

    .... by stealing content from human creators. And they whine that they should be allowed to do so, because otherwise their business would not be viable. Tough luck, I'd say, if you cannot make money in legal ways, perhaps you should find another line of business and what you are doing is, essentially, organised crime.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

      OpenAI isn't remotely close to profitable and even its overpromising CEO says it will be 2030 before it finally turns its first profitable quarter.

      They are only able to continue at the pace they are because of massive cash injections from people suckers like SoftBank's CEO to keep feeding the beast, each time at ever larger valuations.

      1. RAMChYLD Silver badge

        Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

        Not only that, they have the gall to buy up 40% of the world's DRAM silicon wafers just to sit on it with the intention to stifle competition, nevermind that they are also screwing over anyone else who currently needs anything that uses DRAM.

        Screw OpenAI, I wish they'd crash and burn.

        1. drankinatty Bronze badge

          Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

          It's only a matter if time before the music stops in this grand financial game of musical-chars. The sad part, and the risk, is the fallout from being the one left standing may take national and global economies down with them. Somebody is going to be left holding the bag, and it's a rather large and smelly bag.

          1. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

            I don’t really know how corporates operate financially at this scale, but on the face of it, $22.5 billion dollars seemed like betting the business. Then I check the market cap for SoftBank and it’s $25 trillion?

            Only the USA has a bigger GDP than that (and I know it’s a completely different thing, but anyway)

            Staggering.

            1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

              Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

              It's using OPM – other people's money – quite often pension funds you thought were looking after your savings.

            2. Steve K

              Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

              That's 25 Trillion Yen, not USD.... Market cap for SoftBank is USD 161 billion

              Which puts the amount they have to raise into perspective....

        2. DS999 Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: OpenAI has become prfitable....

          Where do these dumb ideas that companies that prepay for capacity like Apple for N2 and OpenAI for DRAM are doing it to "stifle competition". You prepay for capacity because you actually NEED it. It doesn't remotely make financial sense to buy up capacity that you have no intent of using.

          What do you think, that OpenAI is taking those wafers and feeding them to the shredder to screw Google and the other AI companies?

  2. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Didn't Ed Zitron write months ago that soon companies and investors would scramble to cash those IOUs make of funny money?

  3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    It's getting closer. Do I need to explain what "it" is? Probably not.

    1. cd Silver badge

      Don't mind me, I'm over here in the corner eating cake.

  4. Yorick Hunt Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Like a gambling addict...

    ... hurriedly canvassing all the loan sharks in the area, just so he can lose even more money.

  5. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Spending spree

    It's brave to assume that AGI will be solved by the time the billions of dollars of hardware investments are ready. I would instead bet on AGI being solved after that hardware is obsolete. Then what? Old supercomputers aren't worth much because their operating costs are too high.

  6. Catch-the-Pigeon

    Damn, should've held onto that Nvidia stock

  7. munnoch Silver badge

    So he's sold his NVidia stake, to raise cash to lend to OpenAI, so that they can buy NVidia product...

    If he's sold the family jewels to help raise the first 100 bill, then how is he going to get on with the next 400? Over-committed? Hope so...

    1. lglethal Silver badge
      Go

      Was about to say the same thing.

      They've sold their stake in the highest valued and probably most profitable company around, at the time when it is coining profit. In order to dump money into something that will crash and burn in the next few years.

      I can't wait to read all about the greatest con in history in a few years time. And the number of rich folks like the head of softbank, who come out saying stupid things like "We never saw the crash coming. We all believed AI would make us rich. We never could have seen it was all one big scam..."

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Say it ain't so!

    So OpenAI crashing night take down SoftBank and Oracle with it, while causing memory and GPU prices to drop? Oh no, what shall we do?

    (Yes, I know I'll lose most of my pension. But that will probably happen regardless, and at least I'll enjoy this part of it.)

    1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Say it ain't so!

      Those who aren't tech-literate will all think we have gone off the rails as we wander the wastelands laughing at what's gone down, chuckling that 'the richest men in the world, the ones who imagined they were the smartest in business' couldn't see it coming.

      We can give a little wave, a double thumbs-ups, and enjoy a joint nod and a wink, like bus and taxi drivers do when they encounter a fellow traveller

      It's going to be fucking great. Well, at least we'll die laughing.

  9. Random as if ! Bronze badge

    Tax and interest

    When you borrow that much, you are not profitable, normal tax at say 20% is not paid. When your circular interest on that debt is 5% you save 15% , that's how palantir made 5 billionaires out of a profit of 4.2 Billion.

    SoftBank may be a patsy , if rumour is correct.

  10. Billgates@example.com

    Hell yes

    Burn baby burn let’s see this crash

  11. Tron Silver badge

    An interesting position to be in.

    He has to progressively sell or mortgage all the stuff that makes decent money so he can toss endless sacks of cash into the AI money pit.

    Future MBA students will be writing about the redistribution of wealth that is taking place here, and the methods that have been devised to do it, for years to come.

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