Worst case scenario
Agentic AI always books Ryan Air
British Airways' chief executive has warned that the airline industry is fast heading for a future where AI agents, not humans, decide which brands get booked – and carriers that fail to adapt are at risk of quietly disappearing from the digital shop window. Speaking at Globant's Converge 2025 event in London this week, BA …
The last time I flew with BA, there were two observable benefits over the Ryanair experience: they didn't start "boarding" until the plane was ready to board, so there wasn't a prolonged period of standing in a corridor after scanning your boarding card waiting for the incoming passengers to disembark and the plane to be cleaned; and we were the lucky recipients of two small complimentary biscuits. The problem is there are only a very limited number of ways in which you can differentiate the process of sticking people in a big tube and firing them to a remote destination and they come at a cost that might be disproportionate to the added value for many people.
There are people who are prepared to pay very significantly more for a relatively more "luxurious" experience, but the premium cabins wouldn't be fully occupied without also being offered as a perk for frequent flyers (though BA has recently changed its scheme in the hope more passengers are actually paying for the privilege) and you can't fill an aircraft with them on most routes. There have long been flights that operate two different brands and fare structures on the same aircraft (e.g. Iberia/Vueling and formerly Sabena/Virgin) and you could possibly see that developing into a branded service at the front of the aircraft and white-label bus seats at the back. But that doesn't depend on AI, it's simply the economic inevitability of an increasingly perfect market.
The criticism often leveled at BA is that it is neither one thing nor another - its economy service is basic but not cheap and its premium service is expensive but inferior to its competitors. Maybe crunching all that data will at least help it decide which market it's trying to serve.
Honestly asking when was that glorious past? I've been flying for business hundreds of times for 20 years, and I can count the times I got business class approval on the fingers of one hand (that happened mostly on overnight flights to Asia after being accepted as "management").
The company I used to work for (hence AC) had a long-standing policy that any flight with a total duration of 10 hours or more had to be booked Business class, no exceptions, if flying (from the US) to the Far East - regardless of seniority.
If flying to Europe, however, flights could only be Premium Economy.
No, we never did figure out the logic of that one, other than maybe something to do with APD and the other assorted taxes so beloved of Europe.
We had a rule that longer flights - I don't recall the duration, but eight hours rings a vague bell - could be business class, but only if approved by management.
I once had to unexpectedly travel from Rio to New York and by some quirk of discounts, the business class flight was a hundred quid cheaper than peasant class. So I booked it.
Which worked fine, until I got back and got such a bollocking for using business class without authorisation...
Had the same problem getting weekend train tickets for work travel. First class was often cheaper but the offshored finance department tried to reject the claims even when shown the screenshot of the ticket prices for economy / first class.
When Michael O'Leary of Ryan Air croaks it, and his soul makes it way to the Pearly Gates*...
Let's hope he is subjected to the pletora of conditions that he subjected his passengers,,,
for example...
- has he checked in using the Heaven App. Else, it will be EUR100 extra, payable online
- hand luggage within allowed limits
- checked baggaged paid for and checked in
- emergency exit row seating - extra payment required (exit is only to the "other place" - apparently it's nice and warm there)
*or the other place - where he's destined to be a Ryan Air passenger for eternity
When Michael O'Leary of Ryan Air croaks it, and his soul makes it way to the Pearly Gates
To quote the Führer†:
Don't believe Michael O'Leary's propaganda, he's worse than fucking Goebbels. He's a complete c—t. … Lufthansa's motto is "something special in the air" … Ryanair's is "what the fuck do you want now?"
† https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq9mu0HMiVg
You of course always have a choice to book BA for your short haul flights.
Remember when trips to Paris were £500 on a plane with broken seats that had last been cleaned in 1970s and nobody cared because only people flying on business could afford it and so the airline knew that the passenger wasn't the customer
Remember when trips to Paris were £500 on a plane with broken seats that had last been cleaned in 1970s and nobody cared because only people flying on business could afford it and so the airline knew that the passenger wasn't the customer
Like when I flew(?) last week with Ryanair to a glorified shed ~150km away from Paris?
Stop the surge pricing strategy and trying to fuck customers over at every opportunity. For BA esp. their Avios scheme and Exec Club membership by reducing benefits to £$€ spent and decoupling ‘air miles’ travelled so a same flight at a cheaper price gets you less.
Not like Tesco charges triple for a Turkey/meal accompaniments and wine/beer/spirits at Christmas when there’s heavy demand.
Follows supply and demand with realistic volume- discount based pricing.
You could, but at the very least, clear your cookies after using the aggregator, before loading the airline site.
Even better to use a different browser to reduce chance of browsing fingerprinting identifying you across sites via 3rd parties.
All that's not exhaustive, but a start. Else there is a chance the booking getting identified in some way as being introduced by aggregator, or at the very look least the airline knowing you had looked at aggregator. Don't give them more data unnecessarily
Not shooting yourself in the foot. Some aggregators I know have quoted some seriously unrealistic prices (as in *very* low prices for business class seats), and then when you try to check the price with the airline it's twice as much (*and* when you check the reputation of the aggregator of the one offering the flight on that airline for that price, you realise it's not great).
Using the aggregator to find the flight you want, and then booking exactly that flight with the airline direct is arguably the safest option, since your contract is with the airline directly, not some middle man with some dodgy connections or a dodgy reputation.
The premium of booking with the airline direct is worth it when the crap hits the fan.
"and then when you try to check the price with the airline it's twice as much "
I've had that with an outside booking agent for a hotel and thought I was all set for when I arrived when the front desk told me of the additional charge. I did manage to get the government employee rate as the girl at the desk took my pilot's license as a government ID. It reads Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration and they don't give it much scrutiny and some only glance at it.
"I am no doubt shooting myself in the foot, but I won't use aggregators."
If you don't take a keen interest in your trip, nobody/nothing else is going to.
I'm a picky old bastard and I know what I want. Where I stay will be more important than the cost within brackets. I don't want to arrive after a certain time and I don't want to have to start before a certain time. There's no point in booking a hotel with a free breakfast if you need to leave before service begins. Or a paid breakfast, if that's the case to get to the airport 4 hours in advance per the newest regulations (sarc) to wait in lines where there's no breakfast anywhere on the horizon. The shops that open early are on concourse A and your ordeal will be held on concourse W. You would certainly get your step in that day if you aren't too haggard from sleep deprivation.
I got a friend of mine interested in taking the train and the first time he opted to take a slightly longer train ride rather than travel with the rest of the band, he got to the next city faster after there was a bomb threat at the airport that delayed all flights from that terminal. He also admitted that it was a much easier journey all in over flying. Previously, he never even considered looking at taking trains since we're from the US and it's a viable option in the UK/Europe where it isn't as much here.
Presumably the other part of your recommendation is ""don't be price-sensitive"". The point of most of the aggregators is to get lots of prices for similar things so you can decide whether flying an hour earlier of a different airline, possibly not one you've used a lot, is worth a lower fee. In my experience, the next step is to go to that airline again and see if you can get an even better fee from them directly, which you often can, but if you always go to your standby airline, you'll always get a flight but you may not be paying a low amount. Not only are there many people for whom cost is important, there are some for whom it's so critical that they can't travel without optimizing. The alternative is just to have all the airlines websites open and try to look up the options on every one of them simultaneously, navigating each site's method of showing you the flights that it would be most advantageous for them that you buy.
Price sensitivity is something that I've tried to educate friends and family about too, especially those who travel with equipment (sports, camera, etc) and where flying for 45 quid from Ryanair gives you endless shit and hassle over your bulky baggage (and being nickeled and dimed for being a fraction over your allowance, or being given grief over choosing an option that makes zero difference to the end result), whereas flying for 75 quid with BA would give you less drama, more flexibility, maybe a light, amused telling-off and an airport that is a damn sight more convenient or decent than the other one. Weigh up the hassle of flying with airline X from another airport against the higher price of airline Y but absolute convenience to the same destination, and see what is worth more.
Granted, for my case, flying to Amsterdam or Brussels for a trip to Eindhoven was the only option (only Ryanair went to Eindhoven airport), but the fact I didn't have to traipse all the way to bloody Essex (costing me another 2 hours, *plus* the usual bitchy commentary from the Ryanair check-in people) and didn't have to jump through hoops to get my luggage on the plane made up for the price difference.
But, for a quick 24-48 hour mini-break in city X, you can be price sensitive and fly with El Cheapo Air and know you only paid for what you used (a seat, a seatbelt, and maybe, just maybe, the loo on the plane).
My nearest airport is effectively Ryanair-only for short haul routes to Europe plus a scattering of other services, so I've gotten rather good at planning onward journeys by public transport from what on occasion are airports in the middle of nowhere, plus being completely on the wrong side of London for Heathrow or Gatwick.
I guess if I got desperate there's always the limited selection of flights from London City. In my regular travels to Southwest Germany I've found the biggest hurdle (especially where cost is involved) is usually just getting across the damn Channel. Eurostar to Gare du Nord and onwards across France on a TGV sounds far more civilised than anything Ryanair can do.
> Price sensitivity is something that I've tried to educate friends and family about too, especially those who travel with equipment (sports, camera, etc) and where flying for 45 quid from Ryanair gives you endless shit and hassle over your bulky baggage
Anyone trying to get sport kit to or from the UK would be wise to check out BA Business if it's in Europe. You get two 32KG bags which can include sports equipment, the budget airlines tend to charge a lot for each item of sports gear. The last time I flew to the UK with a bike, it was 50CHFs cheaper than going with Easyjet. Of course you also get access to the lunges etc (see icon)
Just to calibrate expectations: this user would absolutely fly on a barn door for a fiver. No seat, no cabin, just vibes and legal deniability. Halfway through the flight they’d still be annoyed, because if you’d used MDF instead of solid wood it could’ve been £3 cheaper. Destination doesn't matter as long as they serve dirt cheap warm beer and birds are sweaty.
"t is the fact that not a solitary fucking single AI product will be an useful feature for the end user. For the company paying for it, maybe,"
That will be how those companies make money, by taking bribes to route a certain percentage of business their way and not mention too many competitors for the same city pairs.
I've come across that a couple of times where the travel booking site didn't list an airline (years ago, I don't fly anymore). I knew that airline served that location so I had to look up times and prices directly.
There's the old "only 2 seats/rooms/models left". So, the flight will be oversold and may bump somebody(s) off. The hotel has a load of supporters for a football club staying there and will be making noise all night. The car hire will not have the car I want or the one left will have a smell and I'll waste time wrangling to get bumped a level for something less objectionable.
"British Airways' future visibility may depend less on what happens in the skies and more on how well it can explain itself to machines on the ground. ®"
Why oh why oh why did you not end that "...British Airways' future visibility may depend less on what happens in the skies and more on how well it can explain itself to machines in the cloud."
Doyle said that the airline expects to rely increasingly on partners and vendor platforms to help curate its digital presence
We don't know what we're doing in re agentic AI, so we're outsourcing our reservation systems to some company which also doesn't know what it's doing, but has convinced our board of directors that it does.
Old news I'm afraid - the core Res systems (along with DCS and most of the other operational systems) went to Amadeus more than 20 years ago. Traumatic at the time but probably the right decision and at least they didn't choose SABRE. They're now pretty much locked in and signed up last year for Amadeus Nevio, which is what Sean Doyle is betting on - press release here: https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/19562
Not all bad news - they're slowly rebuilding some of the in-house IT capabilities lost and during the slash-and-burn IAG phase together with unwinding at least the more crazed outsourcing decisions. Hope it ends well...
It's been quite a while since I last flew anywhere but I once chose* cattle class with Virgin over business class with BA because BA's staff were uncaring whereas the Virgin employees couldn't have been more helpful and friendly. This may have changed over the years for all I know.
*That choice came about because the firm I worked for got a discount for BA but not Virgin.
If they lock the doors and push you back even an inch, that counts as "off blocks" which is what the scheduled departure time is actually based on.
If there's an ATC or weather delay, the fuckers want you on the plane so they can prove they "departed" on time and any delays were out of their hands so they don't have to compensate you. Also means premium and frequent fliers are sitting on the plane costing them £0 rather than sitting in the lounge helping themselves to more free booze.
Basically they'd rather increase the chance of you getting a DVT to save them a few quid, than let you wait in the terminal.
"If they lock the doors and push you back even an inch, that counts as "off blocks" which is what the scheduled departure time is actually based on."
If runways are closed or there's serious congestion, they shouldn't be given permission to push back. No permission, no inch .
Semantics. Realistically if they attach the tug, withdraw the jet bridges/stairs, close the doors, and remove the wheel chocks they're probably still officially "off blocks" and they wouldn't need permission from ATC or the airport to do that. Attaching the tug may even cause some slight movement.
Airlines shouldn't be permitted to start allowing passengers to board unless you're expecting to be at the runway say within 1 hour - and if you deliberately breach that then compensation should be payable. Nobody wants to be squashed on a plane longer than they need to be. Things change, we get that.
But if you've been told you're not getting a slot before, say, 1pm, for a 12pm departure, you shouldn't start boarding the passengers at 11.15am...
Having worked around airports for a fair few years, the reason why airlines try to board passengers to meet the scheduled departure time is because they won't get any departure slot improvements if they're not ready to go.
So they board the passengers, get everything ready and then the airport essentially hammers Eurocontrol for approval to depart. The reason for the delay may have nothing to do with the departure airport but could instead be an issue at the place you're trying to get to, or the en route airspace could have more aircraft trying to use it at one time than it can safely handle.
This isn't about avoiding EU261 compensation for two reasons: 1 - it's based on your arrival time, not departure time; 2 - ATC delays and weather delays are not within the airline's control and so they wouldn't pay out for a late arrival anyway.
BA ground staff have openly admitted to me it's to avoid EU261 compensation. And I know it's the arrival time that matters, but if the airline can _prove_ they were ready to go then it's much easier to deny claims. We've seen plenty of times where they blame weather or ATC for a problem, but actually they were already delayed before that, which turns into a more complex claim.
Given how flying BA in the past 3 decades has come to fall somewhere between 'mediocre' and 'truly crap' as an experience I can see why they want to focus on convincing AI agents to book with them since convincing human beings who have any choice to fly with them is a long lost cause.
Doesn't make sense to me. When I fly my priorities are, in descending order of importance: flying to an airport near to where I want to go, flying from the nearest airport to where I am, arriving at a time convenient to me and, finally, a personal view of airline/price combination. If I ever were to let someone or something else book for me then the first time they or it broke that hierarchy would be the last time I used them.
If I have a choice after the first three have been met then in all likelihood price will not be the top discriminator. Probablilty of cancelling flights at the drop of a hat, difficult of changing tickets and pretending to provide a better class of service whilst acting like every other budget airline tend to put BA at the bottom of my list every time.
"Doesn't make sense to me. When I fly my priorities are, in descending order of importance: flying to an airport near to where I want to go, flying from the nearest airport to where I am, arriving at a time convenient to me and, finally, a personal view of airline/price combination."
That would be the same for me (if I were ever to fly again) and it can change from trip to trip. I might take a flight to/from an airport not as close provided it's not too far, the timing is better or the total cost is lower enough to make up for a bit of lost convenience.
That was my experience. I used to fly weekly with BA from London City to Aberdeen cos LCY was easy to get to for me. I had return flights cancelled three times at short notice for fog. It was a bit foggy all three times but while BA were giving me a sheet of paper with a phone number to request a refund, EasyJet flights were still taking off and none were cancelled. The third time it happened I'd arrived at the airport early, seen the conditions and so bought an EasyJet flight to Luton as a backup. Sure enough, the BA flight was cancelled but the EasyJet aircraft arrived and departed on schedule. After that I gave up with BA and went with EasyJet from Luton and they never cancelled a flight on me in nearly three years of regular travel.
I don't know why BA cancel so easily. I suspect it's to do with making sure aircraft are available for LHR either to make sure they don't lose slots or to protect more lucrative routes.
...the airlines will need to compete on user reviews which convince the AI they are the best? Although that will only work if the AI is allowed to continue learning while on the job and not limited to only it's initial training as many seem to be now. But, as has been demonstrated by current AI, they can be tweaked by their owners to target "correct" answers, so it might just be case of repurposing the advertising budget to bribe buy higher AI rankings.
Most people I know book with sky scanner or something similar. BA nearly always ends up on the second or third page cos it more expensive.
Been a while but when I was forced to use the firms outsourced travel experts you usually ended up on the most expensive flight and your hotel bill was twice what you would pay if you booked it yourself. So AI probably would not be much worse.
The unfortunate side of this is that the "challenge" is seen to be coming from the notoriously unreliable chatbots, instead of our having a reliable and rational automated system that can ingest all the available data about products[1], accurately take your requirements[2] and selecting the best match for you *this* time[3].
Then we could have a world were "brands" were thankfully utterly irrelevant[4] and instead companies had to actually compete on the genuine ability of the products - and continual updating of how well they were keeping up the quality of the targets that their QC were being told to target!
Ok, this beautiful world free of Global Branding will upset a few people, including those poor souls who have been trained by Big Marketing to believe that there is some personal value they can accrue by wearing brand names on the outside of their clothes - deprogramming camps can be arranged for the worst afflicted. It'll also upset brand marketers, but they can just go and get a socially valuable job instead: we'll always need bin men and loo attendants.
[1] be they airline flights or plastic storage boxes.
[2] this would be the hard part, but wouldn't it be glorious if we'd been spending the time and effort over all these years actually finding out how to get solid requirements out of Users!
[3] including "features" like, where applicable, being able to go to a local supplier to see the product in person and make your final selections based upon "what grabs you", or just be able to pop the item into your pocket (after paying!) immediately. Ie the pleasant parts of going shopping.
[4] and, especially, getting rid of the bleepingly destructive (for the purchaser, being, well, defrauded) trading in brands: buying out a defunct brand name that had goodwill attached to it, then using it to flog tat until the public get wise.
Say manufacturer A has garnered a good reputation the last 50 years, but is in bad straits, financially. Manufacturer B (known for its shoddy-but-cheap produce) buys a majority stake of A. Would all marketing material immediately have to feature that fact? Or only once the inevitable enshit^W streamlining of base materials and processes take place?
What if shell companies B1, B2, and B3 (all wholly-owned by B) bought A instead? Who would audit this kind of stuff?
American (not be confused with AA) domestic carriers beat the customers to it and treat passengers as wet-cargo to be sandwiched in as tightly as possible.
So, the BA folks have it right in that treating folks better has limited value when accountants are designing your planes and processes to be cheap for corporate users' outsourced travel agents (already algorithms) to book. The market is really already there without AI in the states.
In the not so distant past we had one airline that was Old School enough to offer their passengers a journey for a fare. No need to participate in a lottery or bidding frenzy, no need to bother with all the little 'extras' that normally get tacked onto your ticket price. Unfortunately some hedge fund got its claws into South West and as a result its gone through a wholesale ensh****fication process, turning it into a very mediocre copy of the majors who have been working at this for years and so got it down to a fine art.
There's still a place for a vendor to offer a product at a reasonable price with no strings attached. I predict that this vendor will 'discover' this magic formula and profit from it, at least until the hedge fund cycle starts anew. Meanwhile we have the rather fun (for a non-traveler) thing of watching the PR departments going into hyperdrive to convince us that less is really more, two and two is really five and so on. (You know, the sort of thing that monopolistic business has been doing for years now).
Mildly interested to see that the front-page image of this story is of one of BA's old 747-400s, G-BYGD.
My (probably) last ever 747 flight was on that aircraft returning from San Francisco in early 2020. As an aviation geek, I bought a clock made from one of its windows when it was scrapped and it's now on the wall of my office.
In my humble experience pretty much every airline delivers the same fairly awful experience with different marketing.
My experience with BA has been pretty much universally awful, mixing Fawlty Towers levels of incompentence with Gulag guard customer service whilst advertising a 1950's dream of service and quality.
(1hr BA flight delayed 8hr during which time they 'lost' 50% of the passengers, let the other 50% through the building bypassing security, their one staff member was running around screaming 'I don't know what to do' before an oil worker from Aberdeen took over and did the talking for her, at the same time the BA desk was making simultanious announcements that the flight was both cancelled and taking off immediately. After all this they tried their best to refuse the legally require compensation until forced by the ombudsman).
RyanAir EasyJet etc pretty much promise an awful experience and sucessfully deliver on that, but usually they will at least do it efficiently.
Everyone else is somewhere in the middle.
The idea that the airlines might get fucked over by an AI that can work out the dark patterns in their booking engines fills me with some glee. However the realist in me knows they will come to some 'arrangement' with the AI slingers to ensure they continue to scam us with appalling service for the forseable future.