back to article Self-destructing thumb drive can brick itself and wipe your secret files away

If you’ve ever watched Mission Impossible, where Jim Phelps gets instructions from an audio tape that catches fire after five seconds, TeamGroup has an external SSD with your name on it. The T-Create Expert P35S is a portable USB-powered SSD that comes with a self-destruct button, which wipes all your data and physically renders …

  1. beast666 Silver badge

    Hopefully this will catch on with Rust developers.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Joke

      What do you call a former C developer, now an Old Rust developer?

      cRusty

      1. b0llchit Silver badge
        Joke

        What do you call a former C developer, now an Old Rust developer?

        Oxidized Beyond Recognition?

    2. Homo.Sapien.Floridanus Silver badge

      Why do Rust developers wear thick glasses?

      Because they can’t C

  2. AlanSh
    FAIL

    Fail

    I can't see that selling well, if at all.

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Fail

      It will sell well to those who don’t want the “hassle” of using an encrypted drive…

      Ie. Its security theatre.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Fail

        Some of us handle data on self destructing encrypting drives.

        Double the fun

    2. hedgie

      Re: Fail

      Yeah. No point in it. I could see the use of something like that if it could destroy itself almost instantly when needed. But something that has to be connected to a PC? Better off with a regular thumb drive and a hammer or something else that could crush it quickly.

  3. Flip
    Mushroom

    Or...

    Why not use a battery to supply voltage to the suicide circuitry?

    1. ThatOne Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Or...

      Too expensive! And slightly unreliable, since that battery will eventually die.

      It's just a marketing shtick anyway. It's easier and cheaper to keep a heavy hammer within reach and smash the memory chip to smithereens, but you'll have to admit it doesn't sound as cool as "I have a self-destructing USB stick"...

      1. Woodnag

        Re: Or...

        Make a fracture line in the housing above a scribed line on the flash memory package inside, and it can be snapped into two.

        1. Eric 9001
          Boffin

          Re: Or...

          Depending on the type of flash memory, sometimes the actual flash storage circuitry is so tiny that you're unlikely to destroy the storage by snapping the plastic packaging in half.

          Many businesses offer a service for data recovery from microsd cards that have been snapped in half; https://web.archive.org/web/20250517210419if_/https://www.eprovided.com/data-recovery-blog/micro-sd-card-broken-in-half/

          I believe the process consists of using a microscope to look for the traces and then using probes or soldering to connect to the traces and dump the data off.

          If that data is important to someone, they'll likely be able to get it even with the NAND chip snapped in half.

          For self-contained destruction of a flash drive without relying on electrical power, it seems only extremely harsh chemical or explosive destruction will reliably destroy a flash chip in a short amount of time, but you don't want to be carrying around chemicals harsh enough to foul plastic and metal, or explosives in your pocket do you?

          Maybe it'll be most reliable and not that unsafe to include a battery and a charge pump that delivers BIG CHUNKY VOLTS though the flash chip, but such battery could go flat and therefore would require an indicator that confirms the wiping worked (a backup option where any USB-C port that supplies power that doesn't rely on specific software may work - but there is always the chance that the power supply doesn't successfully handshake and therefore provides no power, or that only USB-A ports are found in short order).

          1. LogicGate Silver badge

            Re: Or...

            How about using a piezoelectric spark generator as found in some lighters?

            When the baddies come (easily recognizable through skull-insignias on caps etc.) you just reach into your pocket, grab the usb-stick, and firmly press the plunger.

            1. Eric 9001

              Re: Or...

              That might actually work reliably, considering the resulting spark is ~800V and there is auditory feedback that it worked.

              As the energy of a single press isn't that much, you would want to mash that plunger multiple times to make sure.

          2. collinsl Silver badge

            Re: Or...

            Proper encrypted drives to my knowledge just accomplish physical destruction by glueing the encryption chip to the surrounding case - if you prise the case away you also destroy the keys by destroying the chip they're stored in, which should be sufficient to protect the data on the storage.

            1. Eric 9001

              Re: Or...

              Proper encryption doesn't really include storing the keys unencrypted on the device - although it's fine if long keys are stored encrypted.

              Encryption key storage glued to the case isn't very reliable - after all, it might be possible to heat the case to soften the glue and then prying it open won't damage the chip.

              In the case of using encryption, there's no point using a special expensive flash drive - just use LUKS with a normal flash drive or usb HDD, as the encryption keys are stored encrypted in a header.

              Crytographically solid encryption makes it impossible to access the stored data unless you know the key - but attackers often demand the key as well (even if the chip storing them is destroyed) - thus maybe it's best to use both encryption and physical destruction of the NAND.

              1. balrog

                Re: Or...

                you dont even need to risk heat, I can mill away plastic a few microns at a time with a relatively cheap cnc, to the point where the plastic is still intact but virtually transparent

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Or...

                You don't open the case of a drive you suspect may have anti tamper traps until you've purchased a few more of the same brand, model etc and worked out how to bypass the anti tamper features.

                And, from experience of the above, some encrypted devices and anti tamper features are laughably poor (I have one encrypted thumb drive that implements biometric access control but stores the fingerprint in SPI flash, you can desolder and replace it with the flash from a different drive that was "locked and encrypted" using a completely different set of fingerprints)

        2. CorwinX Silver badge

          Re: Or...

          You think like me.

          Why bother with complex IT stuff when simple engineering works?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Or...

      > Why not use a battery to supply voltage to the suicide circuitry?

      Better still, an Israeli made battery.

    3. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
      WTF?

      Re: Or...

      Will the self-destruct work if it's plugged into a USB charger? One would hope so, but if so, they should say so.

    4. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Or...

      Surely, the suicide circuit should be primed without power or obvious change to the device, so that on next attachments to a power source, it self-destructs and burns out the USB port on the host providing power…

      Being a little more serious, suspect they couldn’t include a battery as it needed to satisfy the safety requirements of the airlines.

    5. PB90210 Silver badge

      Re: Or...

      I want the one that emits smoke, proper Jim Phelps style!

      'invalidates the warrantee', you say...

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Or...

        Alternatively, talk to Hornsby and get one fitted with a steam generator…

        1. LogicGate Silver badge

          Re: Or...

          And if the smoke is white, you have also elected a new pope.

  4. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    So, it's write-only storage.

    1. b0llchit Silver badge
      Coat

      It is called a WORN device.

      Write Once, Read Never

      1. bill 27

        Already got one. I just use a backup scheme which does the rsync to /dev/nul. As an added benefit the target never fills up.

    2. herman Silver badge

      Hmm, all thumb drives secretly aspire to being a WOM.

      1. Tim99 Silver badge

        This may be against "accepted wisdom", but I now use microSD cards in a reader for storage rather than thumb drives. In the past six years or so, I have never had a failure. Several thumb drives did bork themselves. I suspect that it might be because of the prevalence of microSD cards in video security and dashboard recorders, where continuous recording/rewriting is required? Thumb drives do indeed tend to be WO devices - Try booting and running a Raspberry Pi from a thumb drive compared to the microSD; it will run much hotter...

        1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

          Quite often get asked to recover "my backup" and am handed a thumb drive that used to contain irreplaceable photos, video or other data.

          I have had to explain so many times that thumb drives are only good for copying data from one machine to another and the message never sticks

          1. Filippo Silver badge

            Generally speaking, everyone should be aware that any data which resides in a single location should be considered as temporary. The reliability of that single location only influences the "when", not the "if".

        2. Ken G Silver badge
          Happy

          Is there a RAID array that takes SD cards?

          1. Tim99 Silver badge
            Happy

            Software? Yes…

  5. rgjnk Silver badge
    Mushroom

    'Not by accident'

    Slide & push is the sort of thing you could do just by having the thing loose in your pocket, it's hardly a great protection against deleting by accident.

    I've got some nice secure USB devices but I'm not too keen on ones that lose the data I've spent extra money on protecting.

    All sounds a bit like a toy overall.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: 'Not by accident'

      But do you carry a PC in your pocket to plug it into?

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: 'Not by accident'

        > But do you carry a PC in your pocket to plug it into?

        Phone with a USB-C socket?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 'Not by accident'

        "That's not a PC in my pocket. I'm just glad to see you."

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hmmm

    Keep out of reach of children

    1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: Hmmm

      I think you've just described the target market. You know, the men who try to keep the police talking while the laptop under their bed gets wiping.

  7. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

    Doesn't need to be that complicated

    Snip the end off a USB extension cable and keep it plugged in at all times. Keep the red slide slid at all times. Now you just need to push the button.

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    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      I would suggest never, since all you need to do to get data without it self-destructing is not push the button. Anyone who gets physical possession of one of these before the user pushes the button won't need to disassemble it. They'd just need to plug it in and copy away. If the button works, then anyone who gets possession only after the user pushes the button will likely disassemble it but, doing so won't help. The only reason why disassembly would help is if the button doesn't actually self-destruct the drive.

  9. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Holmes

    I have a product idea

    Ordinary thumb drive bundled with a hammer. If you're a spy, you can even try erasing some enemies with the hammer before the drive.

  10. chuckufarley
    Joke

    This reminds of the guy that went to the library...

    ...trying to find books on paranoia. It turns out they were behind him...

    1. Dizzy Dwarf

      Re: This reminds of the guy that went to the library...

      I asked the librarian where the self-help section was.

      She said, "That'd be defeating the point".

  11. MaChatma CoatGPT 2.0
    Facepalm

    In my experience...

    ...thumb drives tend to expire of their own volition. The exception being a couple of very physically small Sandisks that get used to transfer files from house to car. These have often ended up in the washing machine and get puked up in perfect working condition at the end of the cycle.

    1. blu3b3rry Silver badge

      Re: In my experience...

      The sandisk ultra fit ones are surprisingly robust given how cheap they are. I've had several also make it through the washing machine and are still working almost a year later - mine get hammered with read/writes and apart from getting scorchingly hot appear to tolerate the punishment okay. One or two have started to die after many years but not bad for £9.00 each.

      The Samsung fit drives are far faster for the same,price, though.

      I can think of more secure ways to keep your data safe than this, though - just a standard flash drive encrypted with Veracrypt is likely enough for most people.

      For sensitive personal stuff I picked up a Datashur USB drive that is encrypted via a keypad.

      Works in any device I connect it do as it's all hardware based. Destroying the data doesn't even require a computer, just enter the PIN incorrectly a few times.

      1. Jonathan Richards 1

        Re: In my experience...

        Just ordering one of these might bring you to the attention of The Authorities, I would have thought. A bit like that oh-so-secure messaging platform that crims were relying on.

        Surely it wouldn't be hard to devise a discreet and discrete USB killer, involving a fat capacitor and a usb socket?

      2. ThatOne Silver badge

        Re: In my experience...

        > Destroying the data doesn't even require a computer, just enter the PIN incorrectly a few times.

        I'm not sure entering the PIN, correctly or incorrectly, will do anything if it's unpowered... It definitely needs power to check the PIN and to erase (securely?) the data.

        1. blu3b3rry Silver badge

          Re: In my experience...

          The DataShur is powered by a internal rechargable cell battery, and charges itself up when connected to a USB port.

        2. collinsl Silver badge

          Re: In my experience...

          They rely on two principles to secure their data:

          1. The data is encrypted on the chips with AES-256 or higher

          2. The chip holding the encryption keys is glued to the case such that if you attempt to get the circuit board out the chip with the keys is destroyed, rendering the data unrecoverable.

          3. That if given physical access to a device any adversary can overcome any protection you put in place, so you store and account for the drive such that if it's ever stored data of a high enough sensitivity then it never leaves the secured facility ever again unless it's shredded into tiny pieces or melted into slag.

          Three. Three principles. And nice red uniforms oh damn...

      3. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: In my experience...

        > The Samsung fit drives are far faster for the same,price, though.

        For several years I ran a 256GB Samsung FIT drive to host a Hyper-V VM. Whilst it worked well, the hosting laptop’s USB driver would after a few months crash and have to be re-installed…

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: In my experience...

      I conducted a few experiments on an SD card just for giggles. I put some innocuous data on it then subjected it to various torture tests. So far it has survived (all data still readable):

      - Heat (in the oven) at roughly 85 degrees C for 15 mins (85 degrees because that's a common high-end industrial spec)

      - Immersion for several hours in tap water

      - Freezing at -18 degrees C

      - Soaking for an hour or so in a mild water/detergent/bleach solution (similar to a washing machine)

      - A washing machine cycle at about 40 deg C (in a garment pocket)

      - 30 seconds in a microwave at 1000W (I couldn't believe that one, so I repeated it two more times and it still worked).

      The damn thing seems to be indestructable.

      That also means that the Mister Robot episodes where the guy destroys his storage devices in a microwave are not realistic.

      As far as I can tell, if you want to be absolutely sure that a memory card is unrecoverable, you need to incinerate or pulverise it into ash/dust.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: In my experience...

        Can confirm that a SanDisk thumb drive survived a wash and tumble-dry cycle.

      2. Mage Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: In my experience...

        Meanwhile they die when it has the only copy of "very important file".

        Rolling the office chair over a micro SD card kills it, even if it is in a regular SD card adaptor.

        1. LBJsPNS Silver badge

          Re: In my experience...

          That would be the Critical Need Detector being triggered.

      3. Homo.Sapien.Floridanus Silver badge

        Re: In my experience...

        Have you tried installing Windows ME on it?

      4. Kurgan Silver badge

        Re: In my experience...

        Micro SD cards fail consistently if:

        - there is important data and no backup

        - you use them in Raspberry PI

  12. the Jim bloke
    FAIL

    another product for the gangsta oligarchs

    along with the gold Iphone clone and bulletproof Lamborghini's

    something for the person who has everything, except taste, self esteem, a clean police record or a legal income..

    this is so far from real data security its not even funny.

    and if you are going for physical destruction, intense thermal would probably work quite well at the scale of a USB stick - except that would conflict with commercial air travel, and the target customers for this actually dont all own private jets...

    1. herman Silver badge

      Re: another product for the gangsta oligarchs

      I own two private jets. A 30 mm EDF and a 70 mm EDF. The little one is the most fun you can have with your boots on: https://www.minimumrc.com/

  13. midnitet0ker

    Anyone else foresee the button failing?

    To me, that kill switch looks like an obvious failure point after time or wear and tear and one that would hurt, taking all your data with it.

    1. ThatOne Silver badge

      Re: Anyone else foresee the button failing?

      I don't think it will be subjected to much wear and tear. After all you normally only use it once.

      It could get stuck though (dirt), there is no trying it out, is there.

  14. Malcolm Weir

    I checked with the cranky sod who designs our security stuff (using a mirror), and this is of absolutely no use to anyone, because you cannot test it. Is the data gone? Who knows? You can dismantle the bricked thing and apply forensic techniques to see if you can get any useful bits off the carcass, but that only tells you about that that particular device self-bricked... Maybe the next unit you get all forensic on will yield different results? For physical destruction of a flash device, you need an incinerator... and not just any old incinerator, but a calibrated incinerator.

    1. Like a badger Silver badge

      I don't know, but I wonder if the warranty is void if the owner presses the button and it doesn't erase the data? Fabulous product for the maker if the warranty is void by the process of trying to activate self destruction.

      "Yeah, I know it didn't work, but the warranty ended by you pressing the red button, and that was before the self destruct didn't work".

    2. m4r35n357 Silver badge

      Haha, maybe they should add a shark repellent button too!

      1. the spectacularly refined chap Silver badge

        From the film version of Kon-Tiki:

        "Why are you throwing tomato soup into the sea?”

        "It's the shark repellent the Americans gave us!"

        "No, that's tomato soup.”

        "So where's the shark repellent?”

        "Who knows? We must have eaten it."

    3. Mage Silver badge

      Re: you need an incinerator

      Or maybe a hammer, Dremmel or drill.

      1. Malcolm Weir

        Re: you need an incinerator

        While those would be fairly effective tools to break the thing, the calibrated incinerator is the only way to make sure (you could drill in such a way as the wafer gets dislodged but not damaged, for example). This boring bit of trivia brought to you by NATO STANREC 4570 and NIST SP800-88...

        1. LBJsPNS Silver badge

          Re: you need an incinerator

          I have various calibrated mallets. I'm sure they can send any flash drive IC back to the sand from whence it came. I doubt any data would be recoverable.

          1. collinsl Silver badge

            Re: you need an incinerator

            That's not the point. The point is that you must comply with the rule in the way the rule is written, otherwise if something does go wrong you're the one up in front of a tribunal/court/court martial arguing why you thought your system was better than the one proscribed.

            Arse covering is strong in government circles.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ooer!

    I once wrote the manual for a system with a self-destruct switch. Included suitable Warnings and Cautions per the relevant standard. These highlighted dire consequences that the client hadn't thought through. A true Dilbert moment. The switch was removed from the production version.

    Just sayin'

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Ooer!

      IIRC FIPS-140 has some interesting details about anti-tamper switches an physical destruction at the more extreme levels of compliance.

      1. Malcolm Weir

        Re: Ooer!

        Yup. Security Level 4 (& therefore level 5) requires:

        "The cryptographic module shall contain tamper response and zeroization circuitry that shall continuously monitor the tamper detection envelope and, upon the detection of tampering, shall immediately zeroize CSPs. The tamper response and zeroization circuitry shall remain operational when CSPs are contained within the cryptographic module."

        (A CSP is a Critical Security Parameter, so keys and the like. Whacking them is results in crypto-erasure).

        This means that Level 4 & 5 devices basically tend to have three power domains: normal power, battery backup for moving the thing around and surviving innocuous power outages, and capacitors that have enough juice to bork the thing when someone cuts the red wire.

    2. herman Silver badge

      Re: Ooer!

      Military communications equipment tend to have erase functions and testing it (on purpose or accidentally) can be very expensive.

    3. the spectacularly refined chap Silver badge

      Re: Ooer!

      It was the one thing that really ruined Alien for me. This is a commercial cargo towing ship. Why would you fit it with a self-destruct? You just know someone is going to get drunk and trigger it for shits and giggles.

      1. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: Ooer!

        There could be reasons. A lot of ships have seacocks that open into the ship itself. On military ones there are almost always specific ones intended to make destruction possible. Civilian ones still have them, and they can still flood the ship and sink it even though they're not designed specifically with that in mind, and no matter how drunk the sailors are, I think they tend not to hire those who don't know when not to open them. The cargo ship in the film could have been an old military cargo carrier whose self-destruct system was installed for that and left available, or it could be a system that has other purposes but can be configured in such a way that it destroys the vessel. Either way, there would likely be plenty of ways for the crew to do things that fatally damaged their vessel, so I'm not sure that having a single, better-managed one is much of a risk when a malicious crewmember has all sorts of other ways to kill it.

      2. Not Yb Silver badge

        Re: Ooer!

        Any starship has a built-in self-destruct system. It's frequently called an "engine", "fuel", "jump drive", or in science fictional circumstance where none of those are particularly dangerous... "navigation".

      3. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Re: Ooer!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NquF_-7B9_U

  16. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Some old tech might obviate the need to plug it in

    • Surround the electronics with thermite.
    • Imbed a percussion cap in the thermite.
    • A spring loaded firing pin with a trigger and safety catch.

    Retract safety. Push trigger…

    I would imagine you might not want hold on to the device one it starts self destructing but then I wouldn't be too keen to hold the self destructing compact cassette tape either.

    Must have gone through a lot car tape players.

    I thought at the time (early 1970s) that cassettes didn't need any assistance to self destruct.

    1. Anonymous IV
      Flame

      Re: Some old tech might obviate the need to plug it in

      How about making the USB flash drive slightly thicker by incorporating a lithium battery next to the memory chips?

      Pressing the Magic Red Button could drive prongs into the battery, and the subsequent fire would obliterate all traces of data - and a whole lot else...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Where were the grown ups ?

    I mean this sort of shit would be expected in a place that didn't have any product marketing resources.

    But the way I see it, this POS will only have 2 fates.

    1) It will be seized by "the man" and divulge all it's secrets.

    2) The defendant will have actually managed to wipe it, and therefore be jailed for obstruction or it's various synonyms. Which in most jurisdictions carries the same penalty as the core offence.

    Whats wrong with decent encryption and plausible deniability ?

    1. Kurgan Silver badge

      Re: Where were the grown ups ?

      A RUBBER HOSE

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Where were the grown ups ?

        Depending. You may be able to force me to divulge the password that allows you to view my well curated supply of Rather Embarrassing Pornography[1]. Hopefully you will not have the capability to detect the hidden partition or steganographically hidden secrets.

        [1] While there is no actual shame in various fetish pornography (possibly the "porn" aspect?) many will find hiding such things not unreasonable

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Where were the grown ups ?

      It depends on your jurisdiction and specific laws, but in some, law enforcement can demand encryption keys, punish you if you don't give them, and report your delay in giving them as evidence of your guilt. In some jurisdictions, destroyed evidence can't be assumed to be against you, nor is it evidence of obstruction unless they can prove that it was against you or that you had been given a legal order not to destroy things before you did. If there's any jurisdiction with both of those, this could theoretically be better. However, in that place, a normal encrypted drive and an emergency drill to destroy it would still be better.

    3. Caver_Dave Silver badge

      Re: Where were the grown ups ?

      In the UK not divulging the encryption passkey carries the same penalty as the core offence! So destruction is much the better option.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Two thoughts

    First, it's just a gimmick, hence the manufacturer doesn't care if it's practical or even works in real-world circumstances.

    Second, it's a plant: every buyer of this gadget is immediately added to a police/security agency watch list ... and maybe the device has a bug and tracker hidden inside ... and maybe it infects every computer it connects to via clever spyware delivered over the USB interface.

    1. Mage Silver badge

      Re: maybe it infects every computer

      Do the fake Amazon Fire sticks really do that?

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Seems there was...

    ... and implantable prototype.

  20. eta-beta
    Mushroom

    Whoever needs this, is surely up to no good! I can understand the quick destruction of the data, but to destroy the kit completely goes too far.

    1. herman Silver badge
      Devil

      Destroying the kit boosts sales

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      If we assume someone with a need to quickly destroy data, then destroying the hardware is generally the fastest way to ensure destruction of the data. Yes, deleting a cryptographic key can often be done quickly, but then you need to demonstrate the security of the place storing it and the strength of it and that you can't still pull anything out of RAM, whereas if you can demonstrate that the thing where the data would be is now so broken that no data is coming off, you can skip those parts. In practice, that's not enough here, but a lot of secure erasure does take the form of complete destruction of the hardware containing that data.

    3. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

      Possible Legitimate Uses

      Consider: a journalist in a country with a repressive government. (Not that I would trust this thing...)

      Myself, I'd just swallow the micro-SDMMC card I'd been keeping the data on and hope for the best. Those things are tiny, and it's an atypical thing to subject arrestees/kidnappees to full-torso X-ray scans.

      ... or to have someone physically-inspect their faeces.

  21. PRR Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Naomi Wu explored this concept, but from a better angle. A hot-box which blows-up any USB device plugged into it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0sdeAwN5A

    > Sometimes the only way to keep data safe is to make sure it’s gone before the bad guys can get to it- or you.

    Door-switches, trip wires, more thoughts.

    BOOM!: https://youtu.be/Gg0sdeAwN5A?t=643

    Yes, the sparks/arcs could be internal jumpers failing before the chip is destroyed. More testing needed.

  22. trevorde Silver badge

    Scam Alert!

    Smells like ANOM

    https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/08/operation_ironside_anom/

  23. JulieM Silver badge

    What actual advantage does this offer over just eating it?

    1. ThatOne Silver badge

      You don't get sliced open to retrieve it?

      1. Tron Silver badge

        We need USB compatible biscuit storage devices.

        A Nice biscuit for your cat pictures and a chocolate finger for your porn.

    2. Not Yb Silver badge

      Modern flash memory can frequently survive digestion.

      SD cards have been known to survive a full trip through the human digestive system. It's just plastic and impure silicone, and most modern plastics are highly resistant to stomach acid..

      An anecdotal 'anonymous source' example of a microSD card that survived mostly intact, and with a bit of work by a good recovery service, they got the data off. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/13/swallowed-64gb-microsd-card/

      A sourced story about the Canadian Hang Glider who was charged with obstruction and held until the object was recovered: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-hang-glider-pilot-apologizes-for-fatal-flight-1.1276082 However, due to the guilty plea, the police didn't need to release the recovered data (if indeed there was any)

      There aren't many people who have told a journalist about this sort of thing, but it clearly seems like it's not a guaranteed method of destruction.

  24. BasicReality

    Interesting idea, Not something most would have any serious use for. The problem is that it only self destructs when connected to a PC. If it's going to short out the internal storage, they'd better have some damn good guarantees it won't short out the whole PC as well. It really needs to be able to hold enough charge to work separate from a computer.

    But seriously, who really needs something like this?

  25. Anonymous John

    "However, the real standout feature of the P35S is its ability to brick itself ... permanently. "

    Or brick it with a brick.

  26. Not Yb Silver badge

    Wonderful, and will help catch some of the dumber criminals.

    Police roll up.

    Criminal sees them coming, and hits the destruct button to destroy the evidence.

    Police now know that the (possible) criminal was definitely up to SOMETHING suspicious.

    In countries with stricter control of citizens, merely owning such an obviously suspicious thing could be a "go to jail" offense.

  27. w-b-r

    Fun fact

    Sandisk Cruzer drives use RED switch to retract USB connector

  28. hammarbtyp

    As part of our device security conformance we needed to provide a way to decommision our devices which have the firmware installed on a CFAST card.

    we did a lot of research on how CFAST cards can be erased so that the data cannot be recovered, but it was never clear how permamnt any method would be. Certainly the old spinning rust methods of wipe, random data, wipe, repeat were not recommended since flash memory moves data around and you cannot be sure that it does not still exist.

    So in te end we documented at end of life the user should take a drill to the disk, and provided photos on the procedure.

    Similarly here. If you want a disk you can destroy, then get a cheap plastic one, and snap it in half when needed, then gind the component under your heel. Physical destruction will always trump electronic wipe as long as you don't intend to re use the disk in the future

  29. David Hicklin Silver badge

    Mission Impossible

    Despite each tape message having the passage "if you decide to accept it" for the mission they never did turn one down...

  30. John Doe 6

    I am quite sure...

    ...that this news is no news.

    I do have a Kingston drive that will erase anything on it if it gets wrong access code 5 times. It is at least 7 years old and fully functional.

    https://www.kingston.com/en/usb-flash-drives/ironkey-kp200-encrypted-usb-flash-drive

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Want to lose data ?

    Send it the the DWP without keeping a copy.

  32. CorwinX Silver badge

    Anyone know if it's volts or current...

    ... or both that would completely, irrevocably, fry memory?

    Quoting...

    "A piezoelectric spark can generate a voltage of

    thousands of volts, with common ranges being 1,000 to 3,000 volts or higher, though the current is very low. This high voltage is needed to ionize the air in a small gap, creating the spark needed to ignite a fuel source, such as in a lighter. For example, a gas lighter uses this high-voltage spark, which can be in the range of 3,000 volts, to light the gas."

    Pair a memory stick with a cigarette lighter piezoelectric mechanism?

    Additional advantage. Lighters need a fair bit of deliberate force appled so they're safe to carry in your pocket.

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Self-destructing thumb drive can brick itself and wipe your secret files away"

    Pshh. HDD manufacturers bundled backup software on their USB hard drives that could do that DECADES ago. The trick was figuring out how to avoid that happening.

  34. Marty McFly Silver badge
    FAIL

    It is a nothing product, prove me wrong

    Its apparent primary function is to self destruct when told to do so. To validate its primary function will break the warranty. Therefore it can never be tested.

    If the magic button is pressed purposefully to destroy the device and nothing happens, no problem, they will just warranty it and send a new one. Nevermind that the spy hunters now have physical possession of the secret code list, along with the spy who carried it. Anyone want to bet there is a hold harmless clause in the EULA?

    The only way to actually validate performance is to buy a large quantity of them. At regular intervals pick a few and destroy them. If any failures happen then the rest of the devices can be assumed to be faulty and therefore should be replaced.

    In that regard this is actually a genius product to sell lots of them....assuming the primary function is something legitimately needed.

  35. Marty McFly Silver badge
    Joke

    Hollywood needs this

    Because transporting the most secret data, unencrypted, on portable media, is the best way to do things. Seriously, what super spy wouldn't enjoy wearing a dark suit and dark glasses, ride around in armored limousines with glamorous body guards, fly private jets into secret military bases, etc. The only thing they need is a self-destructive USB key, handcuffed to their wrist.

    Enter the Hollywood movie plot where Ethan Hunt is trying to destroy the USB key and is desperately searching for PC to plug in to, meanwhile Chinese hackers stay one step ahead of him with a super virus that disables USB ports on nearby computers. The plot thickens when our spy finally escapes the villains with a MacBook, only to find it is equipped with USB-C ports and is not backward compatible with USB-A. The movie ends when the voluptuous double agent is seduced by the hero and admits the device EULA in unenforceable....

    Seriously Hollywood, see the icon. This is really a dumb movie idea and I am mocking you.

  36. S C

    Use a powerbank, perhaps, for the circuit destruction?

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