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The weather's cooling, and so is Wall Street's patience with Oracle's AI makeover. Big Red is spending big, and the risk metrics aren't looking cozy. It all started so well in September. Despite lackluster profit and revenue figures, Oracle’s shares climbed 30 percent when its first quarter results for FY2026 revealed its …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oracle should not have corporate debt

    IF they do then the stockholders should blame its dear leader for taking too much out of the company.

    If they can't fund their tow dipping into AI from the giant profits that they are raking in then perhaps the company should be left to fail (miserably)

    1. Blank Reg

      Re: Oracle should not have corporate debt

      If not for the 10's of billions in share buy backs they would have plenty of money to fund their AI efforts

  2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Borrow short, lend long was behing the financial crash 2008

    There are two main risks associated with a bubble that has many of the hallmarks of the railway bubbles of the 19th century, where money was borrowed from all over to build new infrastructure from which profits would be enough to more than cover the loans plus interest. The first risk is that you never make the money back – that's okay, you issued equity, right? The other, and more important for loans or bonds, is that the inherent mismatch the lifetimes of the money you borrowed and the money you spent (counts financially as a loan) can severely impair your ability to pay back, not just those bonds but anything else. And as the risk is perceived to grow: RoI isn't as great or as fast as you expected; the costs of the infrastructure are higher than you thought (very likely, especially power) and it's taking longer; the competition is faster or cheaper.

    If it looks like a bubble and blows up like a bubble, it probably is a bubble.™

    1. Like a badger Silver badge

      Re: Borrow short, lend long was behing the financial crash 2008

      Something else they have to consider is that the amortisation of GPUs and tied hardware is becoming a big and rising dent in the P&L of the AI enthusiasts. With the cost of the AI hardware and a likely 4 year amortisation that's going to mount up. Oracle's depreciation and amortisation is currently around $7bn a year. If half of OpenAI's $300bn is the GPUs, networking, RAM, and installation, that's an extra $37.5bn of amortisation each year that Oracle will take a hit on. At the moment Oracle's EBIT is $18bn, so if they have to accommodate another $35bn of costs then the term Big Red will be curiously apposite for its financials.

      Obviously all those people who worship EBITDA* or believe non-GAAP** financial statements won't notice because they think capex, equity and debt are all free, but still, $300bn for a statistical word jumbler seems a touch optimistic to me.

      * EBITDA: Earnings before all the nasty, heavy costs you'd rather ignore.

      ** nonGAAP: Financial statements that we've massaged in non-standard ways purely to persuade our investors we're doing better than we are.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Borrow short, lend long was behing the financial crash 2008

        Good point, I'd forgotten about that: the physical assets of the data centres and especially the power stations will probably retain some value even if the deadlines slip but the chips will become essentially worthless. And, as you suggest, the impairment could be substantial.

    2. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge
      Coat

      If it looks like a bubble and blows up like a bubble, it probably is a bubble.™

      The bubble is not the bubble. The bubble is the air inside. ;)

      (I might be thinking of soufflés but the same diff.)

  3. Tron Silver badge

    AI is not magic.

    You will not solve all the big problems in society just by having it.

    And if you build a datacentre, you will have to upgrade the chips (and probably the boards they are on, power and the rest) in, what, 3 years. If you don't, your punters will shift to a shiny newer one. So all this kit you are 'investing' in, you are actually subscribing to. That's why that bloke from Nvidia keeps smiling. On what planet is a subscription an investment?

    As mentioned above, AI has all the hallmarks of railway mania and all the other bubbles that we look back on with amusement and mild contempt.

    If you repeat past financial idiocy, don't expect the outcome to be different this time round.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: AI is not magic.

      "If you repeat past financial idiocy, don't expect the outcome to be different this time round."

      Unless you are 'downstream' of a 'Bigger Idiot/Investor' who is going to cover all your losses because they are a 'Bigger Idiot/Investor' than you !!!

      :)

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: AI is not magic.

        Only if the Bigger Idiot has the money to cover you. When you're dealing with bubbles the money you were hoping would do that doesn't really exist.

        1. Like a badger Silver badge

          Re: AI is not magic.

          At every point until the bubble bursts then a bigger idiot does have the money (or the credit), and that's what creates the bubble. It's usually only the last idiot who finds that there was in fact no bigger idiot.

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Re: AI is not magic.

            Credit, yes. AFAICS these grandiose plans are all on credit. It's the money to back up the credit that's the problem. The putative money exists in the future right up to the point where the future arrives.

          2. Richard 12 Silver badge
            Pint

            Re: AI is not magic.

            True, but also false.

            If your payment is coming from someone's credit line, what happens when that is withdrawn?

            Moodys do seem to be rather concerned about that.

            As the bubble gets close to bursting, it becomes necessary to ensure you get paid up-front - or you'll not get paid at all. And of course, that is also the thing that bursts the bubble.

  4. Blackjack Silver badge

    Will this finally be it? Will this be the thing that kills Oracle? Find out after this comercial break!

  5. Omnipresent Silver badge

    Not to worry

    Last I heard supreme leader Larry was promised tickytocky to indoctrinate new members.

  6. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge

    The Fall…

    "the fall can be ablaze with orange, yellow and — yes — red, in time, the colors all eventually turn to brown."

    The North American version of Autumn might well be rather apt.

    The shiny green foliage becomes yellow, red… brown—then blown away leaving the naked skeleton of the tree denuded of leaves.

    Dismal prospect if, as in Narnia, the Spring never comes.

    Although some of America's "Great and Good" could give Jadis a run for her money in the malevolent narcissism stakes.

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