back to article Amazon security boss: Hostile countries use cyber targeting for physical military strikes

Warfare has become a joint cyber-kinetic endeavor, with nations using cyber operations to scope out targets before launching missiles. And private companies, including shipping, transportation, and electronics manufacturers, are getting caught in the crossfire, according to Amazon. This represents a "new operational model that …

  1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    To many countries in the world

    The USA is THE hostile country.

    How's Canada doing these days, under the stated threat of economic war? And who is going to defend Greenland against American aggression?

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: To many countries in the world

      The USA is THE hostile country.

      Yes, because current administration is compromised by Russia and Russia is not exactly friendly.

    2. Sandtitz Silver badge
      Megaphone

      Re: To many countries in the world

      To many countries in the world,

      RUSSIA and CHINA are THE hostile countries.

      The baltics and many parts of Europe, Ukraine, Georgia, Taiwan, countries around South China Sea. They are engaged in military moves, not just economic warfare. China also flexes its economic muscles whenever it wishes - Russia would too if they had economy that would affect others.

      To many readers on this forum, YOU are just a troll.

      1. Casca Silver badge

        Re: To many countries in the world

        He only knows that the US is bad. Nothing else exists for the user with an incorrect handle

      2. D2ZGF

        Re: To many countries in the world

        Meanwhile, The US has recently has and is arming and financing a genocide, with the political and logistical help of Europe, but yeah keep telling us how it's Russia and China that are a threat to world peace lol. The US has military bases across the world and is engaged in covert warfare in who knows how many countries, openly engaging in economic warfare across the globe, but yes, China and Russia bad, America Great! pmsl

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: To many countries in the world

      Yes the US is aggressive and is hostile to threats to its dominance. So what? You know why it is? Because it can and many other countries would behave the same if they could. People are the same at their core everywhere. That isn't meant to condone everything the US does, it's just a fact and looking across history the US has behaved slightly better than many others.

    4. Casca Silver badge

      Re: To many countries in the world

      And you keep up your bullshit posts...

  2. IGotOut Silver badge

    Meanwhile....

    we at Amazon, Google et al will flog your data to whoever wants it

    We also will supply equipment that will stop supporting when we get bored and leave them wide open to attack

    We allow people to use our infrastructure to launch these attacks

    We only care if they don't give us money.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Meanwhile....

      That's called commercialism. It's the same as you'd do. Our governments are supposed to watch over things like that and take action on excesses. Unfortunately, they seem to be as self-interested as the companies. so, the only solution is increased democracy and citizen participation in politics and I'm not sure how that would turn out. But we do now have the technology to enable. Trouble is they might just vote for free Netflix, endless 'reality' TV and working 1 day a week, then look surprised as they starve.

      1. D2ZGF

        Re: Meanwhile....

        > It's the same as you'd do.

        Just because you'd sell your mother for a few quids, doesn't mean everyone would.

  3. Claptrap314 Silver badge
    WTF?

    Struggling

    to find the news angle here.

    I mean, I can kinda get that civilians might not expect this connection. EXCEPT... just HOW MANY hacker-adjacent movies have there been? I mean, seriously, if your motivation is not financial or digital mayhem, then you want to DO something with the systems you are hacking.

    And what about Stuxnet? Or the similar Russian attacks on (mostly) Ukrainian infrastructure?

    Okay, so the Muslims attacking shipping are hacking systems in order to locate ships. Yeah, that's hardly the ONLY reason to secure your systems, but if that's what it takes to get your attention, fine.

    Seriously, what is NEWS, though?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Struggling

      All I can see here is if a strike or ground raid of any significance was done on Amazon US-East-1 region it would be all over for AWS.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Struggling

      Hmm.. auto-removed content. I’ll have another go.

      Just highlighting that is Amazon lost US-East-1 region it would be all over for AWS and pretty much anyone dependant on it. We have seen the chias the other week for a minor DNS blip.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Answer

    There is a simple answer. Stop trying to spy and surveil everything and where guarding is required use people patrolling. Of course you might have to pay a little more per item you buy. This is exactly where governments are supposed to step in, but they don't because they too want cheap and endless surveillance.

    People seem to have become obsessed with recording & spying on neighbours, employees and citizens.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Answer: Do unto others

      People seem to have become obsessed with recording & spying on neighbours, employees and citizens.

      My modest proposal. The techbros and executives of spyware companies like Amazon must publish all the data they scrape from their users. Most have exec bios on their websites, so simply add their browsing, messaging and any other data category they collect from their customers there. If they don't want their PII made public, guess what? Neither do we.

      But there's also a lot of hypocrisy. So oligarchs like Bezos frequently turn off AIS on their yachts so those can't be tracked, even though that's illegal per IMO rules. Guess what? We don't want to be tracked either. Most countries Data Protection laws specify collecting the minimum amount of PII neccessary, yet the data rapists like Amazon prefer a maximalist approach to PII. Scrape everything. Microsoft is going one step further and hooking data theft into their OS. Copilot and Totalitarian Recall will see everything.

      If companies like Amazon don't hoard PII, they'll be less likely to be targetted, and the damage done by data loss will be less severe. But recovering from ID theft isn't Amazon's problem, but their 'customers' and sometimes it sounds like special pleading. Don't steal their data because then they won't be able to sell it to data brokers.

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