China blames US for cyber break-in, claims America is world's biggest bit burglar

China has blamed the US for a "major cyberattack" against its National Time Service Center, alleging it could have disrupted the country's communications, financial, and transportation networks, and even caused power outages. In a Sunday WeChat post, the Ministry of State Security (MSS) said it uncovered "irrefutable evidence …

[Rich 2]

Pot - Kettle

It’s impossible to have any sympathy for anyone here. It’s a daily occurrence for sone Chinese hacking attempt/success to be uncovered and reported. And I have no doubt at all (although it doesn’t get the same press coverage of course) the Americans and its friends (I use the term loosely as claiming to be friends with America at the moment is like saying you’re friends with nazi Germany - but I digress) do exactly the same to the Chinese.

As a species and civilisation, we deserve to be fucked.

[ecofeco]

Re: Pot - Kettle

This.

Almost every nation on earth is playing this game.

But I see at least 6 down-votes from some sweet summer children.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Pot - Kettle

There should be a Great Firewall of China, but it should be pointed inwards and run by the rest of the civilized world to control what they can do until they learn to live with their neighbors and use the Internet peacefully.

Free Tibet

Leave the Uyghurs alone

Respect international borders and laws

Get Chinese outposts out of the South China Sea

Respect intellectual property

Remember Tiananmen Square

And most of all, post Winnie the Pooh images around every consulate and embassy China maintains worldwide.

As for the Americans, they need to calm the hell down and stop listening to the Great Pumpkin.

[Vader]

Re: Pot - Kettle

the pumpkin is great he is even knocking down the White House. Which is actually black after the brits tried to burn it.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Pot - Kettle

Esp. When China as a manufacturing Titan was built up from zero over about 5 decades by Western companies - outsourcing, offshoring and increasing the bottom-line over their indigenous (unionised workforce) manufacturing.

Apple literally taught Foxconn how to become a powerhouse and the centre of a multi-trillion dollar manufacturing mega complex and supply chain.

They didn’t need industrial espionage.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/08/02/apples-275-billion-china-bet-is-now-a-major-risk/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx17361pw1o.amp

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/15/books/review/apple-in-china-patrick-mcgee.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/business/apple-china-ymtc.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/17/business/apple-china-us-tim-cook-investment-tech-war.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[PhilipN]

Re: Pot - Kettle

“ Apple literally taught Foxconn”..??!! Apple has no production skills. Foxconn and its fellow islanders built those skills from around 1980 onwards.

And China did not start from zero. It had an industrial infrastructure - antiquated but massive - long before it became the workshop of the World.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Pot - Kettle

China was built up by the US government providing help including IP. All in the hope they would become not only cheap manufacturing for the US but also another vassel state.

It didn't work out.

[PhilipN]

Re: Pot - Kettle

"US government providing help including IP" - really? then explain why soon Chinese were driving locally built Mercedes and BMW's (for example).

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Pot - Kettle

The same country you have fucked over your US industrial base to enable as the factory of the world to the detriment of local workers.

Corporate greed made China the supply chain lynch-pin of the world.

Not quite the same as being friends with Nazi’snkr appeasement.

[VoiceOfTruth]

Re: Pot - Kettle

I have no sympathy for the USA. It acts like it owns the world. It is the world's number one bully. Ask its northern neighbour.

The USA is not our friend. Yet it acts like the sun shines out ifs arse.

[TechFugitive]

Re: Pot - Kettle

The USA has a hacker group marketing problem. We have two of the coolest named hacker groups in the world, but we just don't get the press. "The Equation Group" and "TAO" (tailored access operations) are just badass names, and we don't get enough credit. Sure, they don't steal IP or actually shut down infrastructure at the same rate as Fancy Bear or Charming Kitten... but THEY COULD and get zero credit!!! Prolly cuz the Nazis!

[JimboSmith]

Who watches the Watchmen - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

RIP Sir Pterry..

[lglethal]

I don't know. Coastguard?

[segfault188]

Who watches the Watchmen?

Well, the British Horological Institute and the Worshipful Company of Clockmakers, to name but two organisations.

See icon ---->

[elsergiovolador]

Blame

X blames Y.

What am I supposed to do with that information?

Nonsense.

[ChoHag]

I don't know if it's the biggest or not. Big certainly. I'd care a lot more about China's plight if they weren't holding up their hands in feigned innocence.

I'd give them a lot more respect if their message was "we try to fuck over America and America tries to fuck us over and they're so bad at it we caught them in <this> obvious way while we owned their entire comms industry undetected for decades".

Trying to pretend you're innocent doesn't garner any sympathy. We know you all spy on each other. Own it and stop lying like children trying to pin the blame for stealing the cookies on their baby brother with your face and hands covered in chocolate. You're still chewing for god's sake.

[VoiceOfTruth]

>> I don't know if it's the biggest or not. Big certainly. I'd care a lot more about China's plight if they weren't holding up their hands in feigned innocence.

Change China to the USA, and you'd be right. The USA keeps regurgitating the same old "China spies on us innocent apple pie eating Americans" as though it's innocent. The air reeks with the farts of their hypocrisy.

The USA is not our friend.

[Anonymous Coward]

Does the NSA have to pay a tariff for exporting data from China? Could add up pretty quickly.

[Brl4n]

if China wasn't up to its usual shenanigans you could work that angle. maybe it's funny in an alternate universe?

[Throatwarbler Mangrove]

The NSA?

I'm pretty sure they don't exist.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: The NSA? ... Variations on a theme !!!

Yesterday, upon the stair,

I met a man who wasn't there!

He wasn't there again today,

I wish, I wish he'd go away!

.

.

When I came home last night at three,

The man was waiting there for me

But when I looked around the hall,

I couldn't see him there at all!

Go away, go away, don't you come back any more!

Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door... (slam!)

.

.

Last night I saw upon the stair,

A little man who wasn't there

He wasn't there again today

Oh, how I wish he'd go away....

:)

[Claptrap314]

Re: The NSA?

The is no such agency.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: The NSA?

Next week, DT will confuse NSA with NASA and defund it.

But don't worry, capitalism will work, private companies like Palantir will step into the breach and take up the slack (and the Twitter and the Discord, the Facebook likewise, every other bit of data it can find; except Weibo, that isn't useful for reaching DT's targets)

[mevets]

Re: The NSA?

Oh Brave New World! If only we could all serve at the pleasure of your billionaire philosopher kings....

[pc-fluesterer.info]

No mercy for using Apple

"exploited a security flaw in a foreign mobile phone brand's messaging service"

So they use iPhone and iMessage? No mercy.

Backdoors in iMessage are long known. Pegasus anyone?

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: No mercy for using Apple

So you trust an OS made by an organisation whose main source of revenue is extraction of personal information?

Motives matter..

[pc-fluesterer.info]

Re: No mercy for using Apple

I for one don't trust any closed-source OS. FOSS rulez!

[Zolko]

Re: No mercy for using Apple

I for one don't trust any closed-source OS at all. Not even FOSS ones

[PM.]

A bloke has stolen a purse and runs away with it shouting "catch the thief, catch the thief!"

[Anonymous Coward]

No surprise

They're all at it, including blaming each other.

[Blackjack]

Pot, kettle, black.

[Vader]

both are crooks. Which crook do you trust more,TACO or Xi.

[Pascal Monett]

China complains about US industrial interference

Okay, let's play that game. How many Chinese nationals have been dragged into court for corporate espionage vs how many Americans have been caught in China doing the same ?

Numbers, please. Then we'll talk.

[Anonymous Coward]

"We have proof the naughty Americans hacked our computers!"

"We found it while we were snooping through theirs!"

The only real difference is that one lot snoop in case they need to take action later, the other lot snoop so they can cause mischief now.

[martinusher]

Why should anything change?

Back in the Good Old Days the Russian anti-virus company Kaspersky used to be a leader in exposing malware designed to subtly penetrate systems (at the time invariably Windows systems). We all suspected who was behind it because it dovetailed with the occasional story about rooms in AT&T trunk facilities in San Francisco from the previous decade, revelations about tunneling under divided Berlin to access phone trunks and so on, all pieces of a puzzle that were eventually put into perspective by Edward Snowden's revelations.

So we know that the effort to spy on others' IT infrastructure is real, its systematic and its incredibly well funded. It would be a surprise to learn that nobody else was doing it.