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Microsoft is adding Copilot adoption benchmarks to Viva Insights, a tool that lets managers monitor teams to spot those that are gulping down the AI Kool-Aid fastest. Viva Insights is Microsoft's vaguely creepy monitoring tool, designed to slurp data from employee activities, verfiying how their teams stack up against everyone …

  1. Patch Wombat
    Stop

    Viva Blocked

    Viva Insights is blocked in my tenant and we are doing just fine. No FOMO and no issues. Has anyone found a use for this? Legal declared it a "creepy version of Facebook in a cheap suit"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Viva Blocked

      I thought the creepy version of Facebook in a cheap suit was Viva Engage (RIP Yammer).

      1. Like a badger Silver badge

        Re: Viva Blocked

        Well as opposed to a creep version of Facebook in a cheap suit, there's always the creepy version of Facebook for cheap suits, Linkedin.

    2. Scotech

      Re: Viva Blocked

      Viva Insights (as opposed to Viva Engage, per AC's comment above) is just an analytics suite for Microsoft 365 adoption and use. Not sure why the article characterises the tool as 'creepy', the point is to do exactly what the article later on describes - give managers data-driven insights into how people are actually using Microsoft 365 apps on the ground. It's just an extension of the base analytics that were already available to IT teams centrally anyway. These are actually a pretty valuable tool for monitoring and forecasting licensing needs, and making and reviewing business cases.

      We've already been using elements of this to look at Copilot license usage within our own business, and in particular, looking at the stats in conjunction with anecdotal feedback has helped us to tailor our AI usage policy to weed out emerging bad practices and promote the good. E.g. We had one specific user who was using it in Excel a lot more than everyone else, and when we asked what they were using it for, it turned out that they were using it to restructure pivot tables, without then cross-checking the results. Without those stats, we'd never have known that this was happening, and that user would likely have spread the bad practice around as adoption slowly increases. This is especially useful for us as we're about to slam the gates shut on staff using any other AI apps or tools given the risks involved in exposing business data. At least Copilot keeps it all within the tenant so it doesn't increase the attack surface beyond what's already there. If staff must use a chatbot, we'd rather it be one we have a degree of insight and control over.

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Viva Blocked

        Given your example, Your company might have saved a lot of effort and money by simply not taking up the Copilot subscription and blocking its use; Then your user would of been unable to develop the bad Excel habit…

        1. Scotech

          Re: Viva Blocked

          A lot of the use cases we've been seeing are genuinely helpful, which is why we're not cancelling the subscriptions. The time savings on meetings alone have been enough to justify the cost, as we've been able to set up reminders with suggested prompts to help draft agendas and discussion points ahead of calls, and then to review and correct the post-meeting summaries the AI drafts from the transcripts. And there's other cases where it's been helpful - finding trends that were being missed in customer services and operations and suggesting metrics to better track these issues, restructuring documentation to be posted on our CMS, and generating human-readable incident reports from system logs. The key thing is that people can't be replaced, all of the output needs to be checked against the inputs to verify and ensure nothing's been missed - but this is still way faster than having to do the full write-ups manually.

          1. Kurgan Silver badge

            Re: Viva Blocked

            The time savings on meetings alone have been enough to justify the cost, as we've been able to set up reminders with suggested prompts to help draft agendas and discussion points ahead of calls, and then to review and correct the post-meeting summaries the AI drafts from the transcripts

            So MAYBE these meetings are useless, or the people organizing these meetings are just good at wasting everyone's time?

            If a meeting is needed and is managed by competent people, results are obtained without the help of Copilot.

            1. James 139

              Re: Viva Blocked

              The next logical step is for the meeting to just be held by the AI and a summary of the outcome being sent to everyone, id call that a win if it works.

          2. Roland6 Silver badge

            Re: Viva Blocked

            >” suggested prompts to help draft agendas and discussion points ahead of calls”

            These are activities that you should be doing prior to asking an AI, as without a reason for a meeting, there is no point in arranging a meeting, as you have no idea as to the purpose, who should be invited, and whether the meeting is phone/video/in-person…

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Viva Blocked

              This AI is bridging a gap. You're delusional if you think you can just handwave away the value these are adding here. Management says there must be a regular meeting, then there will be one regardless. You also underestimate people's inability to determine in advance what they want to cover and to express what they actually want to directly. There is often plenty of talking in circles first, hence some are keen on meetings.

              1. katrinab Silver badge
                Megaphone

                Re: Viva Blocked

                "Management says there must be a regular meeting, then there will be one regardless."

                AI isn't going to fix bad management.

                Go into the meeting with a single item on the agenda "any other business".

                Finish the meeting about 10 seconds later when it is determined that there is none.

              2. Roland6 Silver badge

                Re: Viva Blocked

                >” Management says there must be a regular meeting, then there will be one regardless.”

                So it will have a standard agenda.

                I suspect what people are deluding themselves into thinking the LLM AI is some form of meeting organiser wizard.

              3. Roland6 Silver badge

                Re: Viva Blocked

                >” You also underestimate people's inability to determine in advance what they want to cover and to express what they actually want to directly. There is often plenty of talking in circles first, hence some are keen on meetings.”

                Those types of meetings are best held over lunch, round a coffee table or at the pub ie. They are informal and without explicit agenda. These meetings serving two purposes firstly getting everyone familiar with your thinking and secondly helping you to clarify your thinking ie. Making sure you haven’t accidentally got yourself into a rabbit hole. Now hold a proper meeting with all that need to be involved and your team members are already up to speed on the issue and able to meaningfully contribute. If your company doesn’t permit you to talk with your desk neighbours or leave your desk unless it is to go to a meeting then simply arrange reoccurring and adhoc meetings in the cafe et al… Yes that means your “coffee break” maybe an hour rather than 10 minutes, but your not actually taking a coffee break, just attending a meeting at which coffee is available…

                Basically, you will achieve more and quicker if you actually talk to your colleagues outside of the formality of fully structured and documented meetings.

          3. Tron Silver badge

            Re: Viva Blocked

            Dear user. We understand from the feedback your system has been sending us that you are a regular user of our discounted CoPilot trial. Excellent. You won't mind if we now increase your subscription costs by 1000% to pay for it. You don't need to do anything to accommodate this change. It will be seamless. Alternatively you can stop using all of our products next Thursday.

            1. Evil Scot Silver badge
              Mushroom

              Re: Viva Blocked

              You are aware that they don't send that email.

              And you are aware that you have to cancel to get back to your previous subscription level.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Viva Blocked

          Four montha ago I got given a new laptop from our lovely IT department. You are supposed to check that everything you normally use and do works before you take it away with you. I was looked at with increasing incredulity as I first moved the start button over to the left and did other taskbar related fixing including killing Copilot. Then I started on Edge and switched off Copilot there, before trying to do the same on Office. The option wasn’t there and someone said you can’t do so on our rollout of it. When I said "But what about if I want to" before being cut off mid sentence by an IT boss who informed me that was the only LLM that we were allowed to use. I said if I had been allowed to finish my sentence it would have ended with "turn off and never use AI?" He just said you can’t turn it off, so I opened Task Manager and killed the local one that launched with Outlook and the Copilot exe that was running. I then said everything was fine apart from having Copilot on the thing and walked out with my new machine.

          Normally you get a feedback survey sent to you from the IT support person you visited. Strangely I didn’t!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Viva Blocked

        This entire section from Scotech describes perfectly what one of the major faults with LLM adoption is. Manglement are foisting it on staff, but because no one understands how to utilise it for the most part we're all guinea pigs. The staff, the people or systems whos data is processed via an LLM, the shareholdes, society at large all of us are the guinea pigs and big tech are the mad scientists.

        The spyware is there to enable gatekeeping which is fair enough in corporations, it's their company after all. Make no mistake, the root of the problem comes from "AI" investors looking for a problem to solve and not having a decent product to do that. What they should be doing is figuring out how to use these LLMs and then training staff rather than just throwing caution and their own data to the winds.

        The cogent response to all this is for IT departments who want to invest time in AI to do exactly that and then roll it out with training and proper guardrails.

        1. Ropewash

          Re: Viva Blocked

          "How to use these LLMs"

          Well I suppose if you just need to fill disk they're alright. Maybe shunt the models back and forth to stress test your network? In a pinch I suppose you could actually run them to keep the place warm when the heat goes out.

          Never been more glad to be in trades than right now. No copilot, no AI at all. Not even any ML, though properly done ML might actually be useful, LLMs are decidedly shit.

        2. MyffyW Silver badge

          Re: Viva Blocked

          Almost, @AC

          What they should be doing is figuring out how to switch these LLMs off and never, ever, switching them back on again.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Viva Blocked

          To be fair, I have made AI tools for my colleagues that reduce entire tasks to simple clicks. The human is still necessary as they have to verify and take ownership of the output. They however refuse to use it despite the significant gains in performance. The reason being, in my opinion, there's a quick dopamine hit and sense of achievement doing the little mundane things. This doesn't bolster productivity though, and hence the KPI can make sense, only if it's not onerous.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Viva Blocked

      Works fine for us (v big company) - way better than the prior intranet. Really good for communities of interest when you are all scattered around the world.

  2. Wang Cores Silver badge

    Hahahaahahaha

    Big Brother wants to make you retarded and dependent.

  3. Claude Yeller

    Goodhart's law

    When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure

    1. Like a badger Silver badge

      Re: Goodhart's law

      Well, in the world where office attendance is monitored and reported on as an official Bums On Seats metric, surely a measure that shows you've pledged your allegiance to the new god can only be a good thing?

      "How was your day today, dear?"

      "I travelled unnecessarily to the office, sat at a desk to use the laptop I carried in from home, and was required to use an unreliable software tool that took up my time for no benefit to me, my employer or anybody other than the software vendor's share price. Same as yesterday."

      1. Korev Silver badge

        Re: Goodhart's law

        I went onsite on Friday for no reason other than to be badged in. The rest of the team I'm working with all have ManFlu so were either off or working from home.

        In the end I messaged a friend who works in the labs to have lunch so I could at least speak to one human at work!

      2. MyffyW Silver badge

        Re: Goodhart's law

        15 minutes late, unexpected prompt engineering south of Camden Town

      3. toejam++

        Re: Goodhart's law

        A little part of my soul died reading this response because it tells me that the grass is likely not greener on the other side of the employment fence.

    2. Kurgan Silver badge

      Re: Goodhart's law

      Also, be careful when you set a KPI, because people will work towards that KPI and not towards an actual improvement.

      1. nonpc

        Re: Goodhart's law

        It was called 'moving the meter' in my time (decades back). It keeps the high-ups happy and leaves you free to do what really needs to be done (provided the meter shows green).

        1. Kurgan Silver badge

          Re: Goodhart's law

          If you actually want to be productive. Otherwise you just make sure the meter is green and then do nothing at all.

    3. breakfast Silver badge

      Re: Goodhart's law

      I saw a post from someone who had tried telling their Microsoft rep that they weren't interested in Copilot licenses and heard back that their targets were based exclusively around Copilot at the moment so that conversation was no longer interesting to the rep.

      1. MyffyW Silver badge

        Re: Goodhart's law

        I'm surprised the next conversation wasn't from the reps boss at M$FT to the posters CIO, undermining the poster and impugning their competence.

  4. steelpillow Silver badge
    Joke

    "Oi you, stop that!"

    "You are in the doghouse for AI avoidance."

    Next week: "Oi you, stop that! You are in the doghouse for churning out AI slop all day long!"

    "What's that, you want a meeting to agree an official AI usage window? Oh, dear, that's above my level of responsibility, I'll have to escalate that to my Demi-God."

    Three years later: "Oi you, stop that! You are doing useful work and scuppering my attempts to tilt the AI Policy my way! Make sure you are at the 100th meeting next month."

  5. lnLog

    foot shot?

    So there will be direct evidence that the inversly corrolates AI usage with productivity?

  6. Blackjack Silver badge
    Happy

    Now considering AI Chatbots give you false information AT LEAST 20% of the time, maybe said told could be used to find who are using AI trash when they shouldn't.

    1. steelpillow Silver badge
      Meh

      Well, yeah, if it's around 25% trash it's almost certainly AI slop. 49% plus is a three-sigma chance it's the droid in person. Assessing it as below 15% means you just failed the Muppet test.

    2. toejam++

      When I mentioned the prevalence of errors in AI output, my manager suggested that I run my prompt through a competing AI system and compare the results. That might work for short snippets of code, but remembering my comp-sci classes from college, the rate of code variation grows quickly as program size and complexity increases.

      This stuff is supposed to improve my productivity, yes? Yes?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I asked it for some advice. It just suggested that I install Linux.

  8. babaganoush

    "Microsoft 365 Copilot Chat (work)"

    I have absolutely no idea what this might be, but it seems clear to me that the person who is responsible for naming MS products should be sacked (and maybe replaced by the brand new "MS365 Teams Copilot Azure Windows Office AI Branding Capability (new edition)")

  9. pimppetgaeghsr

    You WILL use the AI slop.

    You WILL comply.

    1. Great Southern Land

      >>You WILL use the AI slop.

      >>You WILL comply.

      Try saying it in a Dalek voice.

      1. Pussifer

        A reminder about how the Daleks sounded - NSFW

        TV Offal - https://youtu.be/AWiq-0rf_bA?si=ERnSE_IKxW_TNqu8

      2. el_oscuro
        Pint

        Or the Beer Borg. If you have ever played Jets and Guns, you know exactly what I am talking about.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Ahem.

        https://www.101soundboards.com/sounds/42768422-you-will-use-the-ai-slop-you-will-comply

        I'm now dangerously close to trying to make home assistant speech to phrases using this voice.

      4. herman Silver badge

        Exterminate! Exterminate! Sounds like the right action.

  10. Tron Silver badge

    Brilliant.

    This allows companies to easily sack competent people who work hard and retain the lazy slackers who use third rate AI to do their job.

    That will end so well.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Brilliant.

      Or t'other round depending on the intelligence of management

      1. Evil Scot Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Brilliant.

        Hmmmn...

      2. Alumoi Silver badge

        Re: Brilliant.

        Intelligence and management do not belong in the same sentence. Unless it's 'there's no intelligence in management'.

    2. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: Brilliant.

      I had to scroll this far down for the correct answer.

  11. hx

    Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

    That's the only explanation for why they would be trying to forcibly insert AI where none is wanted like that guy at the bar that won't leave you alone.

    1. Claude Yeller

      Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

      FOMO!

      They had to play catch up with CDs, GUI, the Internet 1.0, 2.0, Cloud&Containers, FLOSS.

      This time they are betting the farm on the next hype.

      A good bet?

      1. Claude Yeller

        Re: FOMO

        Just for the fun of it, I looked up how much MS have invested in AI.

        The AI generated summary of Google tells me that MS invested $88B on AI in 2024 (and fired 15000 to pay for it) and plans to spend another $80B in 2025.

        That is serious money to turn into smoke. I assume the leadership would like to see a non-zero ROI from it, at least have something to show in the news.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

        "This time they are betting the farm on the next hype. A good bet?"

        The outcome is assured. I thoroughly encourage their "courageous" gamble.

        Given the what the farm has produced I am not sure anyone would want it even to recover a debt.

    2. Kurgan Silver badge

      Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

      They also need the data. The corporate data MUST flow into the training for their LLM models. Bonus, they make you pay to give them your private corporate data.

      1. hx

        Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

        And your choices for giving them access to your data: Yes, ask again in three days (you can only reject this three times per year)

        1. Kurgan Silver badge

          Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

          And then they get your data anyway.

        2. Dan 55 Silver badge
          Alert

          Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

          For anyone who isn't up to date, your data in OneDrive will be fed into the AI unless you use one of three chances per year to opt out (the usual caveats of a "temporary" failure preventing the switch being disabled and the option being randomly enabled anyway apply).

          So it's time to get that data out of OneDrive if you had ever uploaded it.

      2. Zurich Gnome

        Re: Microsoft will go belly up if this AI gamble doesn't pan out

        Tron ("Brilliant", above) has it spot on.

        Microsoft is very unlikely to go belly up if what is currently being called AI does turn out to be a colossal bubble. The company has long since achieved Too Big To Fail status and to change that will require time and coordinated and determined action by the authorities where its major customers are based.

        A burst bubble would be embarassing for the promoters of this "AI", and one might hope that there would be some changes in MS's senior management, and also in any other publicly-traded companies that have bet the farm on it and must book existence-threatening losses as a result.

        In large companies that merely have to write off large sums the blame will doubtless be placed on bad advice from IT, which can be handled by the standard procedure of installing a new CIO with instructions to cut headcountcosts.

        Move along, nothing to see here....

  12. Taliesinawen

    Microsoft Copilot: Your Digital Panopticon

    Ready to be watched like never before? Meet Microsoft Copilot. The productivity tool that doesn’t just see all, it obsesses over your every keystroke. Your emails, spreadsheets, and calendar entries aren’t data anymore. Privacy? That’s a bedtime story for babies now, and “personal space” got deleted just before Copilot suggested an edit to your awkward confession — right in the same search window.

    It’s the surveillance system you didn’t ask for but definitely deserve, watching, taking notes, and ready to tattletale before your second coffee. Compliance and transparency have never been this invasive or this much fun. Microsoft Copilot: making productivity feel way less private since 2025.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Microsoft Copilot: Your Digital Panopticon

      +1 for use of the word “Panopticon”

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Microsoft Copilot: Your Digital Panopticon

        +1 for use of the word “Panopticon”

        I would go for camera oscura either literally "dark room" or the ancient optical device which requires darkness but the world is diminished and upside down.

        This nonsense does not illuminate; rather it is confounding what little its users know about anything — casting a great dark swathe over the whole shop.

  13. EricM Silver badge

    Reading the comments here, on ArsTechnica and Heise seems to indicate...

    ... AI is dead in the water already.

    The technical level not only is no longer impressed but does see AI mainly as a risk.

    Not for taking over the world, but for shooting them in the foot...

    And I see first signs, that leaders start listening and noticing lack of real results from AI.

    Microsoft giving boneheaded management a tool to "monitor usage" of AI by their minions is IMHO a sign of panic...

    1. Blogitus Maximus

      Re: Reading the comments here, on ArsTechnica and Heise seems to indicate...

      It's a sign of the whole wrongheaded approach.

      Fancy sorting out the telemetry of an unknown and unteasted technology, whilst putting your very real data into that tech, and only *THEN* figuring out how to measure what 'success' looks like.

      The hubris attached to those billions invested is breathtaking.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sounds terrible

    Is the dumbing down now mandatory?

  15. glennsills@gmail.com

    Microsoft is getting desperate

    If you have followed Microsoft things on social media for a while, you'll have noticed that more than a few of its "MVP"s have from time to time demanded more convenient ways to turn off CoPilot. This is a problem for Microsoft since it wants to feed all of a users interactions back into its LLM. Most users, even if they do think CoPilot is worthwhile, prefer to simply make occassional queries to it - much like Google (sorry Bing) search. "A better Bing" is not what Microsoft has been selling, and let's face it, no one pays for web searches, unless they are trying to avoid Google or Bing.

    From the perspective of MS executives, forcing their programmer employees to use CoPilot gives them data to train their LLM on. It isn't like they are getting that from many non-Microsoft programmers. The same holds for Office products.

    1. Ashentaine

      Re: Microsoft is getting desperate

      >From the perspective of MS executives, forcing their programmer employees to use CoPilot gives them data to train their LLM on.

      And as Copilot usage has been hooked directly into employees' performance reports, meaning their jobs pretty much depend on making some kind of meaningful use out of it, in theory this ensures that the data will not be irrelevant garbage. In practice however, as more and more people just use it for needless make-work projects to boost their own KPIs, the quality of data will degrade anyway. In this case though it'll be much slower than with scraping bulk data off the Internet, so it will be that much more difficult to sift out the chaff later on down the line.

      But hey, at least they'll save a marginal amount by having the drones crank out the data for them, so the shareholders won't care.

    2. iron

      Re: Microsoft is getting desperate

      Ways to turn it off that stay off would be nice. I've removed the CoPilot toolbar thingy from Visual Studio at least three times now and every update it turns back on!

      1. FirstTangoInParis Silver badge

        Re: Microsoft is getting desperate

        Perhaps the data goes back to MS development so they can learn how to fix Windows and its entourage of over complicated management tools.

        I’ve just discovered MS Graph interfaces need about another four things turned on since the last time I refreshed it. I have no idea why.

    3. chivo243 Silver badge
      Go

      Re: Microsoft is getting desperate

      I worked for an outfit that rolled their own Sysprep, and it removed copilot! Was a good gig.

  16. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Linux

    Nope

    At this point I'm highly relieved that the last version of Windows that sullied one of my machines wa 95!

  17. QuiteEvilGraham

    Well, for fun, I asked Copilot to rate the competence of stuff I've worked on, and it absolutely loves it and suggests ways that I can use to promote how valuable I am as a developer.

    Obviously this makes me somewhat biased, but if used by someone to determine technical competency and quality of work, I really cannot fault it. Of course, I shall get it to write all my annual reviews from now on.

  18. Francis Boyle

    Don't worry

    I'm sure someone, somewhere, is working on an AI that will pretend to use AI so you can get on with your job.

  19. Tanaka

    I have a powershell script that runs at random times during office hours that take a random namespace from my project, then asks github copilot cli to enumerate uses of that namespace in the solution.

    It burns through credits at just the right pace to keep the meter readers happy,

  20. Brl4n

    Trump and AI are tags at this point for don't bother reading

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Who watches the watcher ?

    Scary

    Judged by a machine for either using the machine or not using the machine

    Seems like a perfect HR tool

    We need to lose 1,000 people

    OK no problem let’s just run a few queries to generate justifications and do you want them emailed or texted?

    Auto deletion of logins and there gone

    Dreamy for bad managers to hide their poor work

    Dreamy for HR to hide their poor work

    Dreamy for legal to justify their existence

    Nightmare for the company as it goes tits up

  22. handle handle

    I "performed an intentional action for an AI-powered capability ... " last week. The laptop has been for shite about three weeks. So I went to "Add or Remove ...", and removed Copilot. Rebooted.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Good boss

    Taking a management perspective. A good boss would be interested only in how productivity & quality reacted to the adoption of Copilot and judge if that warranted the licences. Who cares if particular individuals use it? You might insist they try it but as long as they are productive they are worth their salary. Even if you think there are people out there that will use it and be more productive, it doesn't matter, hire them too - it's called growth. If your market is topped out (unusual), ok maybe then you will focus on margins only.

  24. b1k3rdude

    Creepy indeed, the whole thing is shady AF.

  25. Tessier-Ashpool

    Virus, anyone?

    Has any bright dev used it to create a fiendishly invasive virus?

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