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Cybersecurity training, beards, and body fat have something in common, according to the Pentagon. They're not helping the US military fight and win wars. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth directed the department's chief information officer to "relax the mandatory frequency for cybersecurity training," in a September 30 memo, one …

  1. Simon Harris Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth directed the department's chief information officer to "relax the mandatory frequency for cybersecurity training,"

    Is this the same Pete Hegseth who thought it would be a good idea to post details of airstrikes in Yemen on a Signal group that included a journalist?

    1. EricM Silver badge

      Yep, but this is obviously completely unrelated to the secretary of war (on logic, morals and honor ) having missed (or not having understood) his own cybersecurity trainings...

      But hey, that's what you get voting for in idiot who fills his cabinet with boneheaded TV personalities, used car salesmen and Yes-men and -women.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      He doesn't want his underlings to be better educated than he is.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
        Unhappy

        re: What Hegseth wants

        Judging by the reported reception from the Generals and Admirals to his and President Trump's speeches at the gathering recently*, Hegseth doesn't want anyone who thinks for themselves, asks insightful questions or who thinks that politicians are elected to serve the country, not to own it, in the military.

        We have 40 more months of this. Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

        *There were no 'whoops' or cheers at the prospect of US troops being sent into US cities to point their (lethal) weapons at US citizens, or using (Democrat controlled) US cities as 'training grounds'. Strangely it seems that the Generals and Admirals had not all joined up in the hope of implementing martial law one day. Which, from my right-pondian, tree-hugging, soggy (lower case)-liberal point of view is actually quite refreshing.

    3. gosand

      Peter Hegseth. Not Pete. You see, Republicans - particularly Rafael Cruz - passed legislation to not recognize people's preferred names. Yet people like James Vance still use their preferred name in public. Everyone should be calling these people by their birth names at every opportunity.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Congratulations, you win today's prize.

      2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
        Thumb Down

        re: Birthnames

        JD Vance is his THIRD name. He's changed it twice..

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    While we're at it, why not stop any defence training at all.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      He and Trump want to use American cities (and provided a list, all in states that voted against Trump, fancy that!) for "training". Target practice on brown people, I guess?

  3. IGotOut Silver badge

    Of course...

    ...training is like edukashun. That is bad. Clever people tend to be libtards. That's why we gotta close universities.

    USA! USA! USA!

  4. Dinanziame Silver badge
    Trollface

    Pete Hegseth wants the US military to go back to how they were in 1990. Presumably he'll have low-bandwidth modems installed to replace the optic fiber.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      1990?

      He'll get back to 1790 - just after they won The Most Important And Best War (a great war, really great) Ever.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Wars that the US has won ?

        "He'll get back to 1790 - just after they won The Most Important And Best War (a great war, really great) Ever."

        The 1861-65, part 2 of that arguably first US civil war was their greatest victory (and victorious bearded generals de rigeur); unfortunately I don't think fighting yourself and dispatching near a million souls counts as great victory outside the US.

        I don't recall Stormin' Norman as being particularly slender although arguable the first US-Iraq gulf war† was the last actual US victory.

        † to distinguish that blood·letting an earlier and particularly nasty Iraq-Iran conflict.

        1. EricM Silver badge

          Re: Wars that the US has won ?

          > The 1861-65, part 2 of that arguably first US civil war was their greatest victory

          I fully expect the current regime of racist and misogynistic US "leaders" to understand themselves in the tradition of confederate slave holders.

          As such they probably would say they actually lost that specific civil war, or - given their desire to play the victim - probably more like "Victory was stolen by Union forces".

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wars that the US has won ?

          1861-1865 was the best war ever: Americans did win ALL the battles!

    2. Fred Daggy Silver badge
      FAIL

      Instawar

      More like:

      War is declared

      100,000 military personnel immediately go on Instascam and inadvertantly share their location and details of their fighting equipment

      Enemy uses info for target practice while troop are looking at Tiktoks.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Instawar

        "100,000 military personnel immediately go on Instascam and inadvertantly share their location and details of their fighting equipment"

        What's worse is they have no clue that what they are doing is a problem. They grew up instacamming their lives and the military isn't getting the best and brightest as volunteers.

        I don't see why it wouldn't be a good idea for military bases to block or heavily restrict access to social media sites and also make sure that cell service can be switched off at a moment's notice. In WWII, there were posters reading "Loose Lips sink ships" to remind servicemen to be careful about what they put in letters. That's physical letters that the enemy would have to intercept in time to make any use of and not up to the minute electronic communications that could be intercepted without much evidence. "Honey, our unit has been given orders and we are leaving in 30 minutes to go to <foreign country>, love you. PFC Wingbat, 3rd of 10th, Ft Somewhere". A handful of those and <foreign country> has a big fat head's up.

        I recall a story about sentries on a base uploading their FitBit data that wound up nicely plotting patrol patterns and also the trails used for PT.

    3. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      BSG

      Which will be brilliant when the Cylons attack. Run your space aircraft carrier on 1970s tech for better security.

      1. PB90210 Silver badge

        Re: BSG

        Windows for Warships, naturally

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Department of War

    Headed by a bonespur who never got closer to a war than a film he saw on TV. As for cybersecurity, he doesn't even know what that means.

    Brick by brick, the orange shitgibbon and his croonies are dismantling the strength of the US.

    China will be thrilled.

    1. NapTime ForTruth

      Re: Department of War

      #NotJustChina Comrade!

      1. snowpages
        Trollface

        Re: Department of War

        Krasnov just following orders?

    2. Gary Stewart Silver badge

      Re: Department of War

      Actually I believe he was in a combat zone in Iraq behind a typewriter far from the front line. He may have even chipped a nail for which he got a Lone Star (Texas based beer for the unfamiliar) with hops clusters.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

        Re: Department of War

        According toWikipedia,

        "By July 2005, he had returned to Bear Stearns; shortly thereafter, he volunteered in the Iraq War as an infantry officer, where he received a Bronze Star Medal. Hegseth served in the 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment in the 101st Airborne Division, led by Colonel Michael D. Steele. He began his tour in Baghdad before moving to Samarra: where he served as a civil affairs officer, working with the city council and forming an alliance with councilmember Asaad Ali Yaseen. Hegseth has described a near-death experience in Iraq in which a rocket-propelled grenade hit his vehicle but failed to detonate"

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hegseth#:~:text=By%20July%202005%2C%20he%20had,received%20a%20Bronze%20Star%20Medal.

        1. Windows Is adware

          Re: Department of War

          Is that true or did he write his own entry?

    3. Windows Is adware

      Re: Department of War

      Damn. Department of WAR.

      There I was thinking that because it is Trump, he’d renamed it to the Department of Whore.

  6. NapTime ForTruth

    Weird...

    It's almost like they're standing down the guards, leaving the gates unlocked, and inviting potential attackers in, like a... I don't know...maybe a "coup", I think they call it, but externally driven.

    (But not a Coupe DeVille, that's obviously a Cadillac from hell, presumably driven by a BO also therefrom.)

    Eh, at least they won't have to go to all the trouble of dragging a completely safe and definitely not dangerous giant wooden horse statue through the gates themselves. That's a check in the wins column...right, comrades?

    1. alisonken1
      Joke

      Re: Weird...

      (But not a Coupe DeVille, that's obviously a Cadillac from hell, presumably driven by a BO also therefrom.)

      Plus one for the inadvertent 101 Dalmatians reference

      1. Strahd Ivarius Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Weird...

        Wasn't he speaking instead of Cherry?

    2. JLV Silver badge

      Re: Weird...

      Oh, come on, I really don't know what you are going on about. Next thing, you'll be telling us some fantasy stories about booby-trapped on-person electronics exploding on day 1 of a nation-state attack.

      "Me see, me smash, me no needa thinka!" is the appropriate warrior spirit.

      1. Strahd Ivarius Silver badge
        Black Helicopters

        Re: Weird...

        Are you saying that iThings manufactured in China include explosives that can be triggered by a specifically crafted TikTok video?

    3. Eclectic Man Silver badge
      Childcatcher

      Re: Weird... - Dante's Comedia

      As I read Dante's Inferno, the one where he is guided through the circles of Hell by Virgil, I considered my sins. At the start, 'I've done that' and a bit further, 'I've done that too'. But a bit further down, I think 'well, I've not done that'. Further down, and more heinous sins and I am thinking 'I would never do that' and then, even further down I get to 'I will never even have the opportunity to do that'. My usual example of a sin I will not be able to commit was "betray my city to the enemy so that the men are slain, the women and children enslaved". But, if US forces personnel are denied effective IT security training, then they really will be able to betray their country (and allies) to the enemy with dire consequences.

  7. johnrobyclayton

    How not to avoide creating a praetorian guard

    Inviting all of the generals on the planet to stop what they are doing to gather in one place where they can have private in person discussions amongst themselves concerning some seriously silly leadership while that leadership is giving some of the sillier orders in recent history.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: How not to avoide creating a praetorian guard

      The sequel to Operation Valkyrie ?

    2. Eclectic Man Silver badge

      Re: How not to avoide creating a praetorian guard

      A response on the Hegseth and Trump presentations to the assembled Generals and Admirals from the 'lefty' Guardian here:

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/05/trump-military-quantico-speech

      Unsurprisingly it is very negative in tone and assessment. It opens:

      "No dictator or would-be dictator on day one has ever assembled before him in one room the entire senior officer corps of his armed forces in order to have them belittled as failures and humiliated for their slovenly personal appearance, while degrading whole classes serving in the army, navy and air force degraded as inferior and unworthy. No dictator has ever pleaded for generals and admirals to applaud his remarks, followed by deafening silence."

  8. blu3b3rry Silver badge

    No fat people in the military

    Surely they should therefore start with the commander-in-chief, given he tends to resemble some kind of partially melted trifle with a red hat on top?

    Hegseth the drunk also went on about how many pullups he does, or something. The video circulating online shows he could barely lift himself without twisting his back and flailing his legs about....

    1. Gary Stewart Silver badge

      Re: No fat people in the military

      But we all know he is 6'3" and weighs 230 lbs. All muscle of course, I've seen some of his NFTs.

  9. SundogUK Silver badge

    The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

    Talk about (deliberately) missing the point. Personnel who specialize in cyber-warfare will continue to get appropriate training. What this is about is reducing the time infantry/artillery/armour troops need to spend on unrelated stuff so they can increase training time in their core competencies.

    1. sgp

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      Yeah because (cyber) security for sure is not a shared responsibility. You probably think gathering all of your generals in the same place to perform an inate school play is also a good idea.

    2. localzuk

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      So, you think troops shouldn't get training on security even though, even as "infantry/artillery/armour" troops they will interact with these systems daily? Their email, operational systems, the control systems for their equipment (you think modern artillery has no computerised or connected components?), comms, etc... Everyone uses it, so everyone needs training on keeping it secure from threats. It is a core competency.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

        So, you think troops shouldn't get training on security even though, even as "infantry/artillery/armour" troops they will interact with these systems daily?

        They'll still get training, plus there's some enlightened self-interest. Do not post selfies on TikTok, Grindr, Tindr, Telegram and absolutely not the War Thunder forums. Troops will still get OPSEC and PERSEC training and might get told in no uncertain terms to leave their mobiles behind when they're deployed.

        you think modern artillery has no computerised or connected components?

        And? It knows where it is, it knows how to lay the gun on where the target is. Operator doesn't really need to know the inner mysteries or connect their phone to a USB port. Maintainers would need to know more and get more security training. And if the systems are secure (yes, I know) then risks are minimised. But then companies that make money flogging training to DoD are obviously going to be unhappy, if training budgets are cut.

        1. DancesWithPoultry

          Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

          Of course, you're all up for limiting security training aren't you Comrade Eel?

        2. localzuk

          Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

          "if the systems are secure" - you know what makes systems secure? Training. You can have all the security software in the world, but the vast majority of breaches are caused by human error.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

            But once we replace all those nerdy contractors with the "man who can bench press most computers" we will have the best systems

          2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

            > but the vast majority of breaches are caused by human error.

            That guy in the AfrikaKorp who chose "HIT"+"LER" as the two 3 letter enigma code groups every day was a great patriotic soldier

        3. Gary Stewart Silver badge

          Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

          "plus there's some enlightened self-interest"

          Oh this is good! Do tell.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

            Oh this is good! Do tell.

            So it's probably escaped your attention, but there's a bit of a shooty thing going on at the moment.. Which involves a lot of electronic warfare, drones, and death. So let's say..

            The Red team carries their phones with them at all times because they a) work or b) it's a bit of a side hustle posting videos to YT. Don't forget to like, comment & subscribe.

            The Blue team bans (or tries to ban) their troops from carrying mobiles because they regularly use their electronic warfare. So I dunno, there's a phone or 3 active in a tree line between a bunch of fields. I wonder what that could be? Let's TOS their service and find out. Or tracking phones from front lines back to buildings, warehouses and bombing those.

            So the enlightened self-interest comes after being shown any of the many videos where soldiers iGadgets have been detected, DF'd and destroyed. So basic cybersecurity training is don't carry unauthorised devices on deployment or the contents of these body bags could be you. It's not exactly rocket science and soldiers almost certainly don't want to be on the receiving end of some.

            (There was also a story that may or may not be true from a couple of days ago. A relatively rare daytime missile strike on an office building in Donetsk (from memory). Russia normally does those at night to minimise civilian casualties.. But apparently/allegedly was being used by a group of scammers, so Russia decided on a strike during office hours to eliminate them. Which is one of those mixed feelings things, ie they might have been civilians, but if they were scammers, maybe that one shoudln't be considered a war crime.)

            1. DancesWithPoultry
              Mushroom

              Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

              > A relatively rare daytime missile strike on an office building.... Russia normally does those at night to minimise civilian casualties..

              Oh comrade, how funny you are.

              You need to troll us better than that, otherwise your failure to keep "the west" misinformed will get you sent to the frontline in Kursk for poor performance.

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                ...will get you sent to the frontline in Kursk for poor performance.

                Kursk? The glorious invasion of Russia that captured some potato fields, resulted in a lot of ukrainian casualties and the destruction of a lot of hard to replace equipment? It got more column inches than terrain, and is now pretty much done & dusted. But the problem with the SMO is the front line is long, ukraine doesn't really seem able to get the initiative and is heavily outnumbered and outgunned. No amount of cybersecurity or DEI training is really going to help solve that problem.

                But you do seem to have been thoroughly misinformed by our 'independent' media. Not sure why they haven't repeated one of Zelensky's rants about Russia supposedly shelling their own ZNPP. There are limits to our media's credulity it seems.

                1. mcswell Bronze badge

                  Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                  No, this is the invasion of Kursk that led to lots of Russian soldiers--and their comrades, the North Koreans--being deployed up there instead of on the front lines in Ukraine, making them easier targets. And it probably led to lots of Russians asking themselves how they got into this mess in the first place, although we're not likely to hear about them.

                2. JLV Silver badge

                  Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                  Kursk was a pretty clever op that outlived its welcome. Zelensky does seem to have a conceptual problem with flexible defense, leaving a lot of people defending cities like Bakhmut well past their initially very favorable defender-to-attacker casualty ratios.

                  That all said, look at the sad reality of it all, comrade. 3.5 years into a 3 week war, the mighty Russian army, second in the world, armed to the teeth with a modern airforce and oodles of tanks is... still flailing around WW1-style trying to subdue a country with 1/3rd of its population. All the while waging a deliberate terror campaign against civilians.

                  Now, spin that up into a proper "win" for our credulous ears and you'll get a big raise at your troll farm so that you get that late model Lada you've always dreamed of, comrade.

                  1. graeme leggett

                    Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                    German Army was bled white at Verdun.

                    but military strategy is often politically directed.

                    1. JLV Silver badge

                      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                      Being French, and having visited the museum there, I can't say that Verdun is remembered for bleeding only Germany white.

                      True, Germany could ill afford those loss levels. But the French army near mutinied not long afterwards, after the failure of the Nivelle offensive.

                      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

                        Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                        I live in Reading, UK. In the Forbury Gardens there is a 'Verdun Oak', grown from an acorn collected from Verdun after the battle. There are many Verdun Oak and Mulberry trees throughout the UK in memory of the tragic scale of loss of life there in WW1.

                  2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

                    Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                    > the mighty Russian army, second in the world, armed to the teeth with a modern airforce and oodles of tanks is... still flailing around

                    Well their mistake is that they concentrate too much on advanced logistics and highly-professional highly-trained experts instead of having savage grunt war-fighters with huge biceps

                  3. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                    Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                    Kursk was a pretty clever op that outlived its welcome. Zelensky does seem to have a conceptual problem with flexible defense, leaving a lot of people defending cities like Bakhmut well past their initially very favorable defender-to-attacker casualty ratios.

                    I think it's debateable, and also a political vs military problem. Zelensky shouldn't be directing the campaign or he'll end up like Downfall, pushing phantom units around a map and expecting Steiner to save him. Then there were the disputes between UAF commanders, so Zaluzhny vs Sirsky which affected the much hyped offensive to cut Russia's land bridge. Sirsky won that one, decided to split his forces and the counteroffensive failed at a very heavy cost in men and equipment.

                    Then Kursk. Again much hyped but mostly a PR stunt. The objective was probably the NPP but the offensive was pretty quickly halted. Then once it had stalled, the UAF should have withdrawn to conserve their forces, but like Bakhmut, instead kept throwing in resources. Sure, it diverted some Russian assets from other parts of the front lines, but people ignored the very important distinction between an SMO and war. While the conflict is an SMO, Russia's laws limit the forces that can be deployed. When Russian territory is attack, those limits are removed, plus it gave the DPRK an opportunity to gain combat experience, which S.Korea wasn't happy about. But Kursk was objectively a failure because it didn't gain Ukraine anything.

                    That all said, look at the sad reality of it all, comrade. 3.5 years into a 3 week war, the mighty Russian army, second in the world, armed to the teeth with a modern airforce and oodles of tanks is... still flailing around WW1-style trying to subdue a country with 1/3rd of its population.

                    The 3-week war is a meme created mostly by Gen. Milley, and it almost worked. The initial posturing was a kind of FAFO, like "Don't attack Donbas". Russia massed some forces, Zelensky decided to FAFO, Russia invaded forcing Ukraine to reposition their forces to defend Kiev. That 'full-scale' invasion was only 2-300k troops, which was nowhere near enough to capture Kiev, but it did prompt Istanbul and a fairly favorable peace deal.. Then Boris went to Kiev and persuaded Zelensky to fight to the last Ukrainian.

                    Then there's ignoring Russia's stated objectives for the SMO. Demilitarise & de-nazify Ukraine, not conquer it and Russia used almost the exact same justification as we used to invade Yugoslavia and destroy that country. The SMO has never been about territory, it's about eliminating Ukraine as a threat to Russia, and it's succeeding.. bizarely with Ukraine's help. So Russia's been steadily grinding forwards, and yes, using WW1-style (or Soviet) tactics. But then that's how the conflct developed. Ukraine spent the time since 2014 creating citadels and masses of trenches. Russia's bombing and shelling those and steadily advancing.

                    Tanks I think are interesting because of how the conflict developed and the rise of drones rendering tanks (and IFVs) less effective. They get spotted, drones arrive and destroy them.. But Russia is churning out a lot of tanks, and a lot more than we can. Question is.. Why? Russia hasn't really been using tanks in the last 6 months, so maybe it's to replace losses, maybe it's building forces to use when conditions are favorable. Much of the current fighting has been on the western front with Pokrovsk about to fall, but the Oskil river is providing a natural barrier. But if Russia can develop crossings and bridgeheads, maybe it'll bring up more armor..

                    But if you look at the maps, Russia is close to breaking through Ukraine's fortifications in the west.. Then things have been picking up around the southern front and Zaporizhzhia. Defences around there are mostly east-west because that was the threat axis.. not defending against a breakthrough from the west. Which is pretty much the same thing the Soviets did when they evicted the Nazis from Ukraine during WW2. Then it's a question of how much appetite Russia has, and if it wants to control everything west of the Dnipr, and capture Odessa to extend their land bridge to Transinistra. If it succeeds, Ukraine becomes a failed state and the remains get carved up. Poland gets Lviv again.

                    All the while waging a deliberate terror campaign against civilians.

                    Depends what you mean. If it's the 'Russia targeting residential buildings' meme, then it isn't, or it isn't doing that very well. Civilian casualties have been far, far lower than in our conflicts. If it's attacks on energy infrastructure, we did the same thing in Iraq and Yugoslavia with the stated intention of forcing leaders to the negotiating table. So far, Zelensky's been unwilling to negotiate seriously. But one way the conflict could end is if Ukrainians decide to end it with another coup and the removal of Zelensky and his regime.

                    Now, spin that up into a proper "win" for our credulous ears

                    The conflict isn't over yet, but Russia is objectively winning. Problem is a lot of people can't be objective, and see the realities on the ground.. Which are pretty horrific. Ukraine is entirely dependent on the west's generosity. So some butcher's bill stuff. Ukraine offered death in service benefits to their contract troops of around $350k, which is far more than we offer our soldiers. So every 100k KIA, Ukraine owes their families $35bn. Ukraine doesn't have that money, and neither do we. Or the IMF reckoned it needed $65bn for its budget. Or practicalities like if Zaporizhzhia is threatened and has to be evacuated, that'll mean maybe 700k Ukrainians displaced and have to be housed.. somewhere.

                    Or just the growing war fatigue in the West. The US doesn't want to pay any more, dumping the problem on the EU (and UK). We probably won't be happy having to have tax increases to fund our governments mismanagement and Ukraines. Or useful idiots like Rutte telling people that we should just cut education, health and other social spending so we can give billions in cash & weapons to Ukraine. That'll just delay the inevitable and probably result in the collapse of both Ukraine and the EU.. But then all this started with Ass.Sec Nuland saying 'fsck the EU', which she's done.

                    1. Casca Silver badge

                      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                      And another wall of defending russia. Good job.

                      You know who dont want peace? putin. You know who invaded? putin.

                      But you really like the strong leader types it shows.

                    2. JLV Silver badge

                      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                      > as we used to invade Yugoslavia and destroy that country

                      The intervention in Yugoslavia took years to happen and only after repeated images of starving prisoner in concentration camps, the kidnapping of UN monitors as hostages, 7000 massacred at Srebenica and a years-long siege taking pot shots at civilians at Sarajevo.

                      For the longest time the West did nothing and allowed this to happen. Europe prevaricated endlessly about "not taking sides" and "political solutions".

                      That's also when many, after the euphoria of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the peaceful winding down of the USSR, people started seeing that there was something seriously wrong with Russia, not just the political system foisted on them by Communist totalitarian rule.

                      All that beastly behavior by the Serbs? All good because of cultural affinity with Russia.

                      For you, 7000 killed Muslims at Srebenica, all good cuz they were Muslims? No need to intervene, no need to stop it?

                      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                        Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                        The intervention in Yugoslavia took years to happen

                        Yup. The intervention in Ukraine also took years to happen, so from 2014 to 2022. OSCE reported Ukraine taking potshots at Donetsk with bombs, shells, PFM mines. Oh, and burning out protestors during the Odessa massacre in their trade union building.

                        All that beastly behavior by the Serbs? All good because of cultural affinity with Russia.

                        Ah, you show your colors. Slavs. Can't trust them. An old European idea. Beastly behaviour by Banderites? That's fine because they have a cultural affinity with Europe.. Just gloss over that it's an affinity for things that are proscribed and illegal. SMO starts stating de-nazifying Ukraine. Ukraine takes a while to figure out that their extra 'special' forces sporting the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich division wasn't a good look and rather made Russias point for them. But then other Ukrainians also took to sporting Dirlewanger's crossed grenades.

                        For you, 7000 killed Muslims at Srebenica, all good cuz they were Muslims? No need to intervene, no need to stop it?

                        For you, 18,000 Ukrainians killed or injured in Donbas was all good. They were traitors, collaborators or just 'Orcs'. We intervened to prevent ethnic cleansing, broke up Yugoslavia to create ethnic enclaves, but we support ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. The EU even appointed someone who openly hates Russia as their chief diplomat. So don't you think the west might have gone slightly mad?

                        1. JLV Silver badge

                          Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                          For an eel you are getting a longer and longer nose, Pinocchio

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022) : military KIAs: 6k separatists, 4k Ukrainian, 500 Russians. Civilians: 3.5k KIA

                          They state 14K dead until 2022. So basically, what you are doing is over-counting the dead on both sides, in a separatist war started by Putin, as all martyrs of the awful Ukrainians.

                          LOL, what an incompetent troll. No Lada for you.

                          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                            Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                            They state 14K dead until 2022. So basically, what you are doing is over-counting the dead on both sides, in a separatist war started by Putin, as all martyrs of the awful Ukrainians.

                            I guess you missed this bit-

                            The War in Donbas's deadliest phase (pre-2022) occurred before the Minsk agreements, aimed at ceasefire and settlement. Despite varied reports on Ukrainian military casualties due to underreporting, official figures eventually tallied, indicating significant military and civilian casualties on both sides. The war also saw a substantial number of missing and captured individuals, with efforts to exchange prisoners between conflicting parties. Foreign fighters and civilian casualties added to the war's complexity, with international involvement and impacts extending beyond the immediate conflict zones.

                            Casualty estimates are notoriously unreliable, or just very complicated to report accurately. Plus it's wiki, and a little dishonest in lumping everything together and calling it 'Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War." Reality is it went through a few phases, so Ukraine martyred their 'Heavenly Hundred' that triggered the coup. Then the civil war began, and escalated after events like this-

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes#Casualties

                            In total, 48 people died in one day as a result of the clashes. Hospital staff reported that 174 were injured, and 25 were in critical condition.

                            And then many more died or were injured as police, paramilitary or military units defected to the seperatists, over 1M Ukrainians left for Russia, and more into Europe. But I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make. Is there some cap that triggers NATO intervention? 7,000 muslims triggered the destruction of Yugoslavia, with estimates of 130k+ dead, and 4m+ displaced? But ethnic cleansing by Ukraine triggered a kind of reverse-intervention with NATO supply weapons so Ukraine could kill Ukrainians more effectively?

                            But then intelligence is a big part of cybersecurity, as in can you trust it, and is your source a reliable one? So what do you make of this?

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zj84vwe9o

                            The El Segundo refinery, built in 1911, is Chevron's second largest in the US and produces 285,000 barrels of crude oil every day.

                            Wiki thinks the Bbc is a 'reliable source', but based on that quote, do you think it is, or should be blindly trusted?

                        2. Casca Silver badge

                          Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                          Lets ignore the russian troops in easstern Ukraine from 2014 and onward then. And lets ignore the nazis in russia also.

                          Keep on being putins mouth piece.

                          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                            Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                            And lets ignore the nazis in russia also.

                            Hmm, lil tufty had to run with the 'N' word. So here's a quote-

                            "The historic mission of our Nation, in this turning century, is to lead and guide the white peoples of the whole world in the last crusade for their existence. A campaign against Semitic-led subhumanity.

                            'Orcs' or Slavs of course being regarded as subhuman by people of a certain political persuasion. Normally that kind of talk would get the person arrested in most of Europe because we're civilised, and have laws against that kind of hate speech. But not ukraine, because those words came from none other than the founder of Azov-

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Biletsky#Political_views

                            Who Zelensky just promoted to Brigadier General. Curious decision, but shows ukraine is still unwilling (or unable) to deal with their Nazi and neo-Nazi problem, even though they'll have to, if they ever want to join the EU. Especially if Poland vetoes until ukraine accepts responsbility for the Banderite's massacres of Poles and Jews during WW2.

                          2. Anonymous Coward
                            Anonymous Coward

                            Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                            > Keep on being putins mouth piece.

                            Or maybe we can rearrange the order of words? With Putin's piece going...

                            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                              Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                              Or maybe we can rearrange the order of words? With Putin's piece going...

                              Not sure this is really the place to indulge your homoerotic fantasies, even anonymously. But if you want to be Zelensky's fluffer, I'm sure he'd consider your applications.

                              So any thoughts on US military training priorties? Should those be.. the Zelensky method of piano playing, or something more useful & appropriate to future war fighters?

            2. MachDiamond Silver badge

              Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

              "The Blue team bans (or tries to ban) their troops from carrying mobiles because they regularly use their electronic warfare. So I dunno, there's a phone or 3 active in a tree line between a bunch of fields. I wonder what that could be? Let's TOS their service and find out. Or tracking phones from front lines back to buildings, warehouses and bombing those."

              The Blue Team commanders need to clamp down more and make it painfully clear that breaking the rules can be met with lead.

              The radiated signals are an issue, but the contents of any messages are also problematic so the more Liberal Red Team policies can also bite them in the ass.

              Spying a small group of people scurrying away under cover of night with no EM noise could be a patrol or a bunch of civies whose tech is off, missing or has flat batteries. It is worth it to go after them and reveal your team's presence or let them pass as unworthy targets?

              I wonder how difficult it would be to spoof the EWS systems on phones so they'd all light up and make noise

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                The Blue Team commanders need to clamp down more and make it painfully clear that breaking the rules can be met with lead.

                The radiated signals are an issue, but the contents of any messages are also problematic so the more Liberal Red Team policies can also bite them in the ass.

                Lead is a little excessive and a waste of a soldier. Better to meet NCOs doing pre-deployment kit inspections. This gadget isn't an issued gadget, is it private? No? Then why aren't you running? RUN YOU ORRIBLE LITTLE MAGGOT!

                Which is also where some cybersecurity embarrassments could be turned into benefits. Like 'smart' watches that count steps, or log patrol/jogging routes. Slight snag, they were, of course 'cloud' apps for everyone to see. Otherwise that kind of functionality could be useful, if it could be made secure. NCO could sit in the mess, making sure the unfortunate private is still running. Or helping test what the maximum step count is and what happens when it clocks over. Or just used to monitor patrols or positions. If they stopped, or went offline, something bad might have happened. During GW1, Abrams tanks were also DECNet nodes with similar 'Uh Oh' moments if they went offline.

                The soldiers don't really need to know much cybersecurity, they just have to be able to trust that their kit won't get them killed because it isn't secure. But there's also an issue of morale, especially if like in Ukraine, soldiers might be stuck in trenches for weeks or months. Bored soldiers (especially Marines) are dangerous. So there might be a temptation to sneak gadgets to relieve the tedium. Drones are being used to lay fibre to those kinds of position, so there's bandwidth to maybe provide morale boosting services like secure Netflix of Spotify.

                Spying a small group of people scurrying away under cover of night with no EM noise could be a patrol or a bunch of civies whose tech is off, missing or has flat batteries. It is worth it to go after them and reveal your team's presence or let them pass as unworthy targets?

                I wonder how difficult it would be to spoof the EWS systems on phones so they'd all light up and make noise.

                Probably not that difficult and Russia has drones that are pretty much flying base stations or just ELINT looking for stray signals. Spoofing EWS could be more useful for those pre-deployment inspections, but otherwise it'd be a 1-shot kinda deal showing the capability existed. It's probably more valuable to just monitor and intercept what you can. If a mobile is on the front line, it probably isn't civilian. If you can track that mobile back to <somewhere> in the rear, it might be a logistics or deployment point. Both sides have been doing this, along with things like tracking drones back to operators to eliminate those.

                On which point there's some interesting drone & cybersecurity stuff on display here-

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKUVQNH0u38

                With Patrick Lancaster visiting some drone specialists. Couple of bits caught my eye. So there were a bunch of Bambu Lab 3D printers being used to build parts, along with a CAD package-

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambu_Lab#Criticism

                Bambu Lab's 3D printers have been criticized for their dependence on there cloud service. In August 2023, a Bambu Cloud outage caused some printers to print uncontrollably or cease functioning altogether.

                So some risks there if Bambu printers can get DoS'd, or geolocated. So kinda curious if Russia has a special licence to remove the cloud dependencies and risks. It also shows a pile of captured Ukrainian drones being reverse-engineered, or just reflashed and reused. Russia presumably isn't too concerned about cybersecurity risks given they gave Lancaster access and permission to publish. The specialists wouldn't need much cybersecurity training other than to only use the apps & tools they were given, especially when they'd be pretty high value targets for Ukraine.

                1. MachDiamond Silver badge

                  Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

                  "Lead is a little excessive and a waste of a soldier."

                  Not at all. One soldier giving way their whole team is no longer one individual. As long as it's advertised among the remaining troops that huge acts of stupid break the most strict rules, it doesn't remain a problem for very long. Military rules during war time are expected to be enforced with punishments at the top end of the scale.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

        "Everyone uses it, so everyone needs training on keeping it secure from threats."

        There needs to be lots of examples of how anything going online can be used as a data point. "If you do this <example>, this sort of information can be extracted".

        I think it was Bin Laden or one of his generals that was tracked down using shadows in photos. With a time stamp and a general area, a fairly precise location can be ascertained. Many phones will embed GPS coordinates to many decimal places which makes using shadows unnecessary. One piece of data may be of little worth, but a bunch of things can point at something big like a military company being moved.

        One of Richard Feynman's stories about moving out to New Mexico for the Manhattan Project is a good example. Everybody was told to book their train tickets from different stations and to different stations so it wouldn't show a load of academics moving to NM. All of their lab gear and supplies were being shipped en masse directly so when Mr Feynman booked his ticket directly thinking that if everybody else was being tricky so he didn't need to be, he was asked if all the gear was his. The emphasis was on personal travel patterns and not cargo, but the cargo was the biggest give away that it wasn't just a symposium being held somewhere.

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      They can increase training time in their core competencies while wearing fitness watches, now everyone knows where their bases are because you can find them all in Stravia.

      But there's no need to train them about any of that stuff.

    4. Wang Cores

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      The Navy Pacific Fleet has leaked most of their stuff to Fat Leonard who then stored fleet movement and technical data on Chinese servers for over 10 years.

      Trump decided to reinstate those officers in his first term.

    5. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      "What this is about is reducing the time infantry/artillery/armour troops need to spend on unrelated stuff so they can increase training time in their core competencies."

      Quite true. There's no point worrying about the boots on the ground blabbing about their little bit of the battle when Hegseth is busy texting the entire battle plan to whoever wants to know

    6. mcswell Bronze badge

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      So those infantry/artillery/armour troops never touch computers or smart phones, right? Or if they do, they use Signal.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

        Doesn't the US military have a Signal Corp?

    7. JLV Silver badge

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      You're so right. No one ever had problem with opsec on chat apps, no one ever signaled their base location by logging their jogs on Strava, no one (Ukraine war) ever got their unit bombed by having live cell phones around...

      Your expertise setting us all right is appreciated for all it is worth!

    8. LazLong

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      It's not "Anti-Republican," it's anti-MAGA. Trump and Kegsbreath more closely resemble piles of excrement than true Republicans. Most true Republicans have left the federal political shenanigans.

    9. Citizen Chauvelin

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      Their training can hardly be appropriate if the explicit instruction from Krasnov is to ignore the Russians. Which is precisely what he has ordered.

    10. F111F

      Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

      Exactly. For those of who’ve taken said “training”, it was repetitive, uninformative, boring, and a waste of time to just check a training box. It was the exact. same. scenario. every damn time. We had the answer key available for the office so we’d only lose the minimum time possible taking the test. Good riddance.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: The actual point gets buried in a tide of anti-republican bullshit

        "It was the exact. same. scenario. every damn time. "

        Perfect practice makes perfect. Practicing mistakes leads nowhere.

        The same goes for training. If training is poor, so will be the results.

  10. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Cannon fodder

    Don't teach your troops how to prevent or recognise when their tactical systems are being spoofed.

    It makes your wars look so much more dramatic - and, more importantly, that increases are justified - when you can show the folks back the bodies of their loved ones strewn across the battle field.

  11. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

    The literal defiition of fighting yesterday's war

    America: Our soldiers will be the strongest, meanest mofos you'll ever see. $ADVERSARY won't stand a chance.

    $ADVERSARY: we'll devastate your infrastructure without ever setting foot inside your territory.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well don't complain when some soldier gets Doom running in the thermal scope of a Linux rifle.

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      That isn't already the plan? We already have military playing war at arm's length, guiding drones like video games and separating the operators from the cost of what they are doing.

      Putting immediate surroundings as tactical data into Doom in the thermal scope is just one link along the same chain. Hmm, wonder why the US army keeps trying to use VR/AR headsets?

      Black Mirror and Ender's Game are not supposed to used as guide books*

      * actually, not so certain about Orson Scott Card's intent, but that is getting off-topic; or os it?

      1. Gary Stewart Silver badge

        " We already have military playing war at arm's length, guiding drones like video games and separating the operators from the cost of what they are doing."

        Sorry, I like watching videos of Vlad the Invaders folly going BOOM! I must admit I have mixed feelings watching some of the Russian soldiers get killed by drones as I'm certain that more than a few of them are there only because that's where their government forced them to be.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          It's a lot easier to get your troops to kill your own civilians if you dehumanize them. This used to take a generation of political indoctrination - now you just need the drone software to replace the picture of the child in Portland with an Orc

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Orcs are nice people and wear MAGA hats!

            Elves are woke! (and likely trans too)

  13. Citizen Chauvelin

    ROI

    Well, they're certainly getting their money's worth out of Krasnov and his chums, aren't they?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Very strange

    Have we gone so long without a real war threat for people to forget war is about killing people? While an amount of operational security training will be needed (including cyber) the main action in war is the elimination of the opponents soldiers who are trying to kill yours. Bringing back standards and focus on combat training does not sound like a bad thing. Reading the article-

    "but it's hard to imagine how cutting back any type of instruction on handling controlled data is going to help the military win wars."

    Is answered lower down-

    "These critical efforts to eliminate, reduce, and consolidate focus topics advances my emphasis on warfighting,"

    Forget what war is at your own peril.

    1. ChodeMonkey
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Very strange

      Ah Commander Codejunky again shares her military experience and prowess gained from years of battlefield deployment. It's an honour to have your commentary on all matters martial.

      What was the colour of the Boat House at Hereford?

      1. ChrisC Silver badge

        Re: Very strange

        I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a boat house at Hereford. Or Heerfurd even...

        1. ChodeMonkey
          Trollface

          Re: Very strange

          An operator such as codejunky will know.

      2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: Very strange

        I don't care what colour the boathouse is! All I care about is that Sean Bean lived!

    2. Wang Cores

      Re: Very strange

      Where is your caretaker? Do they know you're bothering people again?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Very strange

        @Wang Cores

        "Where is your caretaker? Do they know you're bothering people again?"

        You reply with this and you also write this comment- https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2025/10/02/pentagon_relaxes_military_cybersecurity_training/#c_5155143

        It is nice you can use the computer unsupervised. Have a good day

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          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Very strange

            GI Cammies or GI Jammies ?

            (Which would be more suitable for someone holed up in their parents' attic playing FPS games with their online "friends".)

    3. ChrisC Silver badge

      Re: Very strange

      But also, forgetting that the *nature* of warfare has changed considerably since the only security knowledge required by a frontline grunt would be along the lines of not letting slip any juicy details whilst quaffing a few pints of the local tavern's finest, especially not if there's a mysterious cloaked figure sat quietly in the corner, observing your every move from the shadows. Perception roll please, to see if you realise what it is they're up to before it's too late...

      As you, correctly, note, an amount of opsec training will be required, I just think you might be underestimating how much of an amount is now likely required given the ever increasingly digitalised and networked nature of modern warfare. And given the present US administration's ability to demonstrate a total lack (*) of understanding of the real world whilst they're so busily implementing the whims of their dear leader, I really, REALLY, wouldn't have the slightest confidence that Hegseth himself understands the realities of this, nor that he's willing to let those who do understand it actually implement these policies in ways that don't detrimentally affect the US military.

      (*) or possibly a very GOOD understanding of it, in order to then know how best to subvert it. Not sure which of those two options I find the more worrying, TBH...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Very strange

        @ChrisC

        "As you, correctly, note, an amount of opsec training will be required, I just think you might be underestimating how much of an amount is now likely required given the ever increasingly digitalised and networked nature of modern warfare"

        Thats ok, but that is why there are specialist cyber warfare groups for that. The cyber guys dont go head to head in combat. The cyber guys are not patrolling hostile territory (think Afghanistan/Iraq). The cyber guys are not taking out the enemy sniper nor mortar team nor various military targets with direct action. This isnt to diminish the role of cyber groups this is to merely point out the different roles. However digitised war gets it will still come down to the ability of soldiers to take and hold territory which you cannot really achieve without those boots on the ground.

        "And given the present US administration's ability to demonstrate a total lack (*) of understanding of the real world whilst they're so busily implementing the whims of their dear leader, I really, REALLY, wouldn't have the slightest confidence that Hegseth himself understands the realities of this, nor that he's willing to let those who do understand it actually implement these policies in ways that don't detrimentally affect the US military."

        An alternative view is that they have increased the numbers joining the military, are returning the standards needed to survive on the battlefield and are moving the focus from identity politics to fighting wars. I am not sure how this is a bad thing.

        I will agree that soldiers having no clue about basic security would be a problem. As the article already notes there have been a few caught trying to sell secrets already. But to prematurely suggest this will lead to insecurity seems to be a bit of a jump based on a dislike of the leadership.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Trollface

          Re: Very strange

          Did you hear/read all that on your Discord server?

        2. ChrisC Silver badge

          Re: Very strange

          The point I was trying to make there is that *every* aspect of modern warfare has become increasingly digital/networked, even down to some of the otherwise "basic" kit being carried by the frontline grunts, so regardless of what someone's specialism is within the services, they ALL need a greater awareness of cyber security than would have been true even a decade or two ago.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Thumb Up

            Re: Very strange

            @ChrisC

            "The point I was trying to make there is that"

            I didnt/dont disagree. And I didnt vote your comment either way although I responded trying to clarify my opinion.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Very strange

              @covfefejunky Downvoted for confusing warfare with combat. Go read some Sun Tzu. Better still, just refrain from mixing up your gaming with real military matter?

          2. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: Very strange

            "they ALL need a greater awareness of cyber security than would have been true even a decade or two ago."

            They also need to break the habit of documenting their life minute by minute every day to broadcast to the world. They are no longer just a single entity when part of a military force. It's certainly a bad thing to advertise any soft spots. It's like a dragon with a missing scale painting a big bullseye around it as a highlight to aim at. Big corporate executives don't publish their travel itineraries so competitors won't get clues about a next acquisition or sale of a under-performing division.

    4. Simon Harris Silver badge

      Re: Very strange

      "Have we gone so long without a real war threat for people to forget war is about killing people?"

      Since the other side have the same aim, surely war is also about trying not being killed yourself, or getting your unit killed. It therefore makes sense to ensure your side are well trained in not providing your enemy with a digital signature to target you.

      Remember that war is also about propaganda, and an enemy may well intercept and broadcast unguarded communications to bolster their own propaganda, particularly if you're whinging about stuff, which needs training out of professional fighting forces.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Very strange

        @Simon Harris

        "Since the other side have the same aim, surely war is also about trying not being killed yourself, or getting your unit killed. It therefore makes sense to ensure your side are well trained in not providing your enemy with a digital signature to target you."

        I am sure we can agree. But I am sure we can both also agree digital signatures tend not to be the ammunition of choice in combat? That physical training and survival skills including marksmanship would be the key elements to improving your chances of surviving and winning a war?

        "Remember that war is also about propaganda, and an enemy may well intercept and broadcast unguarded communications to bolster their own propaganda, particularly if you're whinging about stuff, which needs training out of professional fighting forces."

        When has war been any different?

    5. Gary Stewart Silver badge

      Re: Very strange

      "Have we gone so long without a real war threat for people to forget war is about killing people?"

      No I haven't. And most other people in America haven't either, The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not very long ago, or did you forget that? And who is this we?

      "While an amount of operational security training will be needed (including cyber) the main action in war is the elimination of the opponents soldiers who are trying to kill yours."

      Utmost operational security is vital in keeping your soldiers from being killed. Or did you forget that too?

      "Bringing back standards and focus on combat training does not sound like a bad thing."

      So the Fox weekend "host" Hegseth is supposed to be some kind of expert on this? He knows more than the generals? I think I've heard that before from somebody equally unqualified.

      "Forget what war is at your own peril."

      With daily reminders you really have to work really hard to do that.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Very strange

        @Gary Stewart

        "No I haven't. And most other people in America haven't either, The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not very long ago, or did you forget that? And who is this we?"

        Dont get your panties in a bunch I already mentioned those- https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2025/10/02/pentagon_relaxes_military_cybersecurity_training/#c_5155160

        "Utmost operational security is vital in keeping your soldiers from being killed. Or did you forget that too?"

        As you are replying and even quoted me literally saying- "operational security training will be needed (including cyber)" it seems you forgot as soon as you wrote your response.

        "So the Fox weekend "host" Hegseth is supposed to be some kind of expert on this?"

        How was lowering standards expert? Reversing that and going back to having good standards is against experts how?

        "He knows more than the generals?"

        The ones that were called in and also expected to meet standards?

        "With daily reminders you really have to work really hard to do that."

        I had that hope but for some reason people assume less cyber training and more combat training is a bad thing or even assumes a lack of operational security training at all

      2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Very strange

        So the Fox weekend "host" Hegseth is supposed to be some kind of expert on this? He knows more than the generals? I think I've heard that before from somebody equally unqualified.

        Well, he was a Major, so had more experience than some previous Sec. Defs, and a lot more than useless, fat warhawks like Lindsey Graham. I was a bit disappointed at the Generals come-to-Jesus moment and hoped they'd be told to reach under their chairs, remove the PT belt, have 15mins to get changed and then they'll do a CFT. Failure is not an option.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Very strange

        "And who is this we?"

        Do not question codejunky's experience as a Special Operator. Hours of proven combat experience* in multiple theaters enables them to comment with a high degree of insight.

        *Gaming with their worldwide network of likeminded "Operators"

    6. localzuk

      Re: Very strange

      And the Ukrainian war has shown that a lot of that is done with technology. Drones, smart weapons, satellite systems, etc... The idea that soldiers today are like those in WW2, where they run into battle with M1 Garands is outdated and completely ignores the reality of the modern war.

      What's the point in squaddies if their entire battle plan is leaked or the solution they use to communicate compromised because one of them taped the PIN to the back of the radio?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Very strange

        @localzuk

        "The idea that soldiers today are like those in WW2, where they run into battle with M1 Garands is outdated and completely ignores the reality of the modern war."

        You mention Ukraine to which is rounding people up to be soldiers, handing them whatever equipment they can (at the start of the war the west was not funnelling weapons as we didnt think it would last long) and it is soldiers fighting and dying in mud, having to carry their gear, fight for the men next to them and being cut off from support which means holding out and fighting as long as possible.

        "And the Ukrainian war has shown that a lot of that is done with technology. Drones, smart weapons, satellite systems, etc..."

        And how many of those systems can hold territory? Can any of them patrol the streets of Afghanistan, Iraq or even hold defensive positions in Ukraine? No. So while those aspects are very important, they are also more specialist than the serious fitness and training required to be in a war environment.

        "What's the point in squaddies if their entire battle plan is leaked or the solution they use to communicate compromised because one of them taped the PIN to the back of the radio?"

        Sounds just like the entirety of history. A famous example being WW2 enigma machine

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Very strange

          For someone with zero military experience you post with some convictions which are clearly not backed by any real world knowledge. If you are so enamoured of soldiering why not volunteer to serve? Do bone spurs preclude it ?

        2. ChodeMonkey
          Stop

          Re: Very strange

          "Sounds just like the entirety of history. A famous example being WW2 enigma machine"

          Madam, Surely the example of the (newly minted) US Secretary of WAR sharing operational details of an ongoing mission, with some friends and a random journalist, over an unsecured comms channel would be more apropo as an example?

        3. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

          Re: Very strange

          Only Pootin sends unprepared soldiers out to die for nothing. On horses now, no less.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: Very strange

            On horses now, no less.

            As usual, citation needed. But curious aspect of this conflict is motorbikes instead of horses, and the return of a hussars role.

            1. localzuk

              Re: Very strange

              There is a video of a Ukrainian drone being flown into a Russian soldier and his horse floating around social media in the last week.

            2. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

              Re: Very strange

              How's Trump, the Putin licker, doing? Demolishing the WH now?

        4. localzuk

          Re: Very strange

          The enigma machine is an interesting choice... As those who used it had very stringent training to ensure it was secure.

          Ukraine today is very different to the outbreak of the war. So, don't get things mixed up, as you are clearly not paying attention to the state of war today.

          Loitering munitions, artillery, drone surveillance, etc... do indeed hold territory. If every time you try and enter an area, you and up with a drone to the head, you don't really need a lot of soldiers on the ground to stop you.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Very strange

            @localzuk

            "The enigma machine is an interesting choice... As those who used it had very stringent training to ensure it was secure."

            And the soldiers got the training they needed to use it. And were trained to win a war, and we all saw how effective that was!

            "Ukraine today is very different to the outbreak of the war."

            Yes which is to reiterate what I said- "You mention Ukraine to which is rounding people up to be soldiers, handing them whatever equipment they can (at the start of the war the west was not funnelling weapons as we didnt think it would last long) and it is soldiers fighting and dying in mud, having to carry their gear, fight for the men next to them and being cut off from support which means holding out and fighting as long as possible."

            "Loitering munitions, artillery, drone surveillance, etc... do indeed hold territory."

            No they dont. they cannot. This was demonstrated clearly with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Gaza and of course Ukraine. Those things you mentioned do damage to clearly exposed targets but would cause civilian casualties and be ineffective at tunnels or 'human shield' situations.

            "If every time you try and enter an area, you and up with a drone to the head, you don't really need a lot of soldiers on the ground to stop you."

            That fantasy only works for a clearly military force moving without civilians. Or inflict mass civilian casualties. Hence US training its soldiers properly is actually very important and always has been for an effective military.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Very strange

              Have you taken the King's shilling yet? Your gamer bravado might serve you well on the battlefield. Maybe try and put some of your jaw-jaw to war-war, hmm ?

          2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: Very strange

            Loitering munitions, artillery, drone surveillance, etc... do indeed hold territory.

            No, they don't. They deny territory, which is not the same thing. So the way the front line ebbs & flows with 'grey zones' of contested territory, then troops move forward to clear that territory. Then artillery & drones advance to extend the zone of control and the front line moves forwards. Or backwards. Which is also why this conflict is so brutal. News might state that Russia or ukraine has captured, or recaptured a village, but those villages have been obliterated with pretty much every house destroyed to prevent it being used as cover. Then when they're cleared, what's left gets blown up.

            This is also going to be one of those challenges once the conflict is over given the amount of destruction and reconstruction needed. Towns & villages have been pretty much erased, millions of people displaced that will need to be repatriated or rehomed. So a lot of work will be needed by town planners, civil engineers and builders to create the newtowns and the kinds of post-war reconstruction that Europe hasn't seen since WW2. Which a cynic might say is the point. Billons in future contracts in the pipeline that will go to European or Russian firms, and the profits probably won't go to Ukrainians. Plus the EU may see it as a solution to the immigration problem.. Ship them off to Ukraine to work as laborers.

            1. localzuk

              Re: Very strange

              You contradict yourself. If troops are unable to move past a line due to these tools, denying them territory, then by literal definition, they are holding that territory.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Very strange

                @localzuk

                "You contradict yourself. If troops are unable to move past a line due to these tools, denying them territory, then by literal definition, they are holding that territory."

                If I understand Eel correctly he is not contradicting himself. If you can deny territory to your enemy that doesnt mean you are holding the territory. I dont know the technical term but just because your enemy cant go there doesnt mean you can. Think the distance between trenches in the world wars. Nobody holds the middle, try to move into it and be annihilated, so nobody holds it.

                In the examples I gave I used the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan as examples. As soon as the troops leave an area it is under control of the enemy, drones can watch but not much they could do unless a known insurgent was far enough away from civilians.

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Re: Very strange

                  Think the distance between trenches in the world wars. Nobody holds the middle, try to move into it and be annihilated, so nobody holds it.

                  Or this conflict given there are a lot of trenches. But yep, drones & artillery can create a 'no mans land' or zone of control, but not hold that ground. Or the way Russia uses drones to attack Kiev, but they don't hold it, or control it. Closer to the front line, control gets more likely and there was this interesting video-

                  https://youtu.be/7D3ES2kNueo?t=552

                  Showing a fibre FPV drone hunting in Kramatorsk. Interesting because it shows that town hasn't been evacuated yet and had a population of around 140k.. And it probably shows how Russia has increased the range of their fibre drones. So Russia starting to exert control over Kramatorsk, but doesn't hold it, yet. There was also a video on WillyOAM's channel interviewing a curious chap who joined Azov and then went AWOL. He talks about the training cycle, so basic training in Kiev, then sent to 'safe houses' nearer to the front lines.. Which Russia obviously wants to locate, and then attack, which sometimes becomes 'missile strikes on residential buildings'.

                  Which then gets back to the story and not having mobiles in those safe houses because they can give their locations away. Then with training, would it be better to give hours of cybersecurity training, or range practice doing skeet/clay shooting and shotguns so they can shoot down drones.

                2. Anonymous Coward
                  Alien

                  Re: Very strange

                  So your view is more boots-on-the-ground are needed to hold ground? In which case, how's your application to join up progressing? Did you apply to Mobile Infantry or Fleet?

                  1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                    Re: Very strange

                    So your view is more boots-on-the-ground are needed to hold ground?

                    Yep. But not just my theory, it's been the accepted theory ever since someone picked up a stick, pointed it at the enemy and yelled 'Charge!'. Also why our leaders are currently flaining around and looking to escalate because Russia currently has 1m+ troops available to take ground, and Ukraine doesn't, so can't hold it.

                    Did you apply to Mobile Infantry or Fleet?

                    I've always been a fan of Games & Theory myself, but I'll also happily deny it. The book is also better than the movie, although the movie did have its moments. Also doubt Sgt Zim spent much time teaching cybersecurity, preferring to focus on more practical skills like knife throwing and just staying alive.

    7. mcswell Bronze badge

      Re: Very strange

      Forget how using unauthorized devices gives your position away, and potentially makes your bank accounts and other personal "stuff" liable to hacking and maybe blackmail.

      BTW, ever see those posters from WWII about information security? You know, Loose Lips Sink Ships--that kind of thing.

    8. Strahd Ivarius Silver badge

      Re: Very strange

      It has been ages since war was about killing people.

      Remember that if you kill a soldier, you put away 1 person; if you injure one, 1 or 2 others will have to bring him back to the infirmary.

      And if they can't do it fast, the wounded shouts will lower the moral of his fellows.

      The proper strategy is to demoralize the enemy, and the best way to do it is to have lot of maimed soldiers coming back from the front lines.

    9. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Very strange

      "Have we gone so long without a real war threat for people to forget war is about killing people?"

      Partially about killing people. Israel is demolishing buildings and collapsing tunnels as well. Taking political/military control over an area is a tactic that used a lot.

      It's about applying certain types and amounts of pressure to get a particular outcome. In a pre-emptive strike, it's to keep the other side from doing something to you before they get the chance to do it.

  15. Wang Cores

    The last world war was a tragedy, this will be a farce.

    All Chinese troops will have to do is have one dedicated shitposter to post "Donald Trump is gay" on Instagram and they'll be able to drop drones on the US rifle squad that was positioning to flank them by the lights of their phones as the WARFIGHTERS™ frenetically defend their leader's honor.

  16. smudge
    WTF?

    Don't tell the boss!

    Cybersecurity training, beards, and body fat have something in common, according to the Pentagon. They're not helping the US military fight and win wars.

    What do the bloated Commander-in-Chief and his hirsute veep make of this?

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Don't tell the boss!

      What do the bloated Commander-in-Chief and his hirsute veep make of this?

      They aren't soldiers. One or more does have a very fragile ego and the other seems determined to undermine his bosses peace prize ambitions by invading Venezuala. I guess after solving the war between Azerbijian and Albania, starting a new one is OK on balance.

      But the new force posture comes on the back of a few embarrassing tik-toks. Some seen during the glorious, mighty military parade celebrating Trump.. I mean America's birthday. That display of military might got widely ridiculed, which is something Trump hates. Then there were a couple of unfortunate viral videos, one showing a sailor at an award ceremony, the other trying a Dubai chocolate bar. Both probably very nice people, but were in uniforms that looked like they'd come from a sailmaker. So they ended up heavily meme'd and didn't exactly portray the lean, mean fighting machines that would make uppity nations tremble.

      Or as my favorite drill instructor* kept putting it "What happened to standards?". But then standards had been dropped to try and boost recruitment, and drill instructors weren't allowed to shout at recruits because it might hurt their feelings.

      *Angrycop on YT.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Don't tell the boss!

        Standards have been dropped for ages because the average USian male is not fit to walk 1 mile without collapsing...

  17. graeme leggett

    this is MAGA in a military setting

    The US armed forces are most powerful the world has ever known.

    saying it needs to concentrate of war fighting is intended to invoke the impression in civilians that it is actually lacking, that previous administrations emasculated it, it can't defend US against heathen invaders and the answer is to....

    MUSAGA - make the US Army Great Again

  18. JLV Silver badge

    We can put all sorts of spin on these actions by the administration, from defunding cyber-hardening orgs to firing CISA on Laura Loomer's say-so, to this latest round of cleverness.

    But it is very odd for the USA to take this posture, concerning how cyber-savvy the US's main adversaries, China and Russia, are. And considering how combative Trump is about China, making it a major thread of his electoral platform. No speculation on the motivation, besides Trump and co's well-known disdain for expertise of all sort.

    Merely the observation that this does not seem a way to maximize the odds of winning future wars.

  19. W.S.Gosset Silver badge

    Serious?

    This article reads like satire. Or marketing collateral for one of the parasite companies hanging off the senior parasites in the military.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Trollface

      Re: Serious?

      Satire is dead. It's called the news now.

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: Serious?

        After all, it's what plants crave!

  20. Oli.

    That's tremendously stupid from an organizational POV. One can argue that mandatory trainings don't do much, if your users don't internalize a security mindset, but they very much serve to CYA in case of a breach. Maybe it's about time this administration experiences some real life consequences.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Maybe it's about time this administration experiences some real life consequences.

      Like after inviting a journalist onto a Signal chat? But nobody, other than the rabid anti-Trumpers are suggesting the US military won't get security training. It's just that they may not get as much, and it might be better focused. So the average grunt needs some basic stuff, specialists working on more sensitive kit and roles get more. Companies making money flogging powerpoints and CBT to DoD might make less money.

  21. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

    CUI

    Controlled Unclassified Information is an Obama administration creation. Therefore, it must be Eviltm.

  22. ecofeco Silver badge

    You know the old saying

    "You can't teach an old drunk, new tricks."

  23. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    "Beards, body fat, and cyber refreshers now frowned upon"

    You forgot "brown skin".

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      "Beards, body fat, and cyber refreshers now frowned upon"

      You forgot "brown skin".

      Beards should be banned for any soldier that isn't a Pioneer. Who also used to get to carry axes and wear leather aprons. Body far is probably why the Generals didn't cheer Hegseth given they'll now have to pass twice-yearly fitness tests or lose their jobs. Promotions will also be on merit rather than quota, so the only color that matters is whether the person is green or blue.

      But my favorite drill instructor gives his take on the changes here-

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pifkixw00g

      1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

        WTF should a general's physical fitness matter?

        So stupid. What about the Commander in Chief? I'm pretty sure he's very unfit, in every possible way.

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