The Register Home Page

back to article College student went on a destructive rampage, then confessed to ChatGPT, cops say

A Missouri college student has learned the hard way that admitting a vandalism spree to ChatGPT and asking whether he was likely to get caught may not be the best use of AI.  According to court documents [PDF] filed in Greene County, Missouri circuit court, Missouri State University sophomore Ryan Schaefer is suspected of …

  1. gnasher729

    Just wondering, how serious are they in the USA about paying (in cash) for such damage? I’m quite sure in Germany you will pay until the damage is paid for, and if it takes you 50 years.

    1. ABugNamedJune

      I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever smashed a shit ton of windshields, but I would assume that the vehicle owners will initially get paid out by their insurance, this kid will have to pay a fine to the court, and then the insurance companies will sue him for reimbursement.

      1. chuckufarley
        Coat

        Then he...

        ...Files for bankruptcy, just like Don would do. Ain't America Great?

  2. Long John Silver Silver badge
    Pirate

    A "college student"?

    This student's grasp of basic American patois is so deep that he merits a place at Harvard. Is there an athletics scholarship encompassing energetic vehicle bashing?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A "college student"?

      Yeah, I thought "if he's not a jock, American education is even more screwed than I thought"

      1. LionelB Silver badge

        Re: A "college student"?

        Maybe; but the drugs are clearly top-notch.

  3. theblackhand

    How long?

    How long must we endure these puff pieces for AI companies demonstrating AI is smarter than humans?

    1. Long John Silver Silver badge
      Pirate

      Re: How long?

      They did make their point rather well with the 'student' mentioned in the article.

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: How long?

      This wasn't one of them. The AI didn't, nor is an AI company claiming, detect the crime and notify the police. The police identified this beforehand and found written text on a phone they were handed even though the criminal didn't have to*. The AI did nothing at all other than write about the consequences of vandalism, probably incorrectly given it's a local crime and there are lots of different jurisdictions who may have different sentencing requirements and sublevels.

      * This being the US, the police don't have the legal right to compel access to the contents of a device. Had the student locked the device with a code and declined to provide the code, they could have prevented having that log in the evidence pile, at least unless the police went to OpenAI with a warrant which they probably wouldn't need to bother doing. In some other countries including the UK and Canada, the police can demand access and punish you if they don't get it. From their statements, they asked for access and were given it, meaning the student was adding one more to a pile of stupidities. It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference if they had given the student had already been located.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: How long?

        It might not have proved AI is smarted than humans but it does prove some humans aren't as smart as AI.

        1. withQuietEyes

          Re: How long?

          There was a post that used to go around on Tumblr about the difficulty of designing trash cans for national parks. Supposedly, there is an unfortunate overlap in the door-opening skills of the dumbest tourists and the smartest bears.

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "too comfortable leaning on AI for advice in situations where it's really not the best idea."

    I don't think he had a best idea. Not even a vaguely good one.

  5. Jamesit

    Could someone please teach Ryan Schaefer how to spell and write a complete sentence? By collage level he should know what a complete sentence is and how to write one. What do they teach in USA schools?

    1. James Cullingham

      By *collage* level he should be able to create a complete sentence by combining smaller elements such as properly-chosen and correctly-spelled words and phrases

    2. Outski

      Muphry strikes again!

  6. Homo.Sapien.Floridanus

    Vernacular localization at work…

    Schaefer: how fuckd am i bro?

    GPT: in sum shizzl yoz.

  7. Alistair Wall

    "The bot, according to police, was unable to tell him whether there were cameras at those locations."

    It didn't make something up?

  8. KayJ

    He thinks he can kill ChatGPT. Is it too much to hope he'll share the plan?

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      It should earn him a conditional discharge.

  9. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Are all ChatGPT conversations taken as gospel evidence by the Plod?

    Does it really count as an admission of actually having done the deed when you discuss it with ChatGPT?

    I mean, if, entirely theoretically of course, and only done in order to play around with ideas for this short story I'm writing, which involves checking what sort of responses LLMs give when one pretends to it that something dreadful has been committed, purely for verisimilitude you understand, one happens to type something into ChatGPT late in the evening...

    (Delete damn you, delete! Where is the AlkaSeltzer? Aaargh, blast you, stop that fizzing noise)

    1. Andy the ex-Brit

      Re: Are all ChatGPT conversations taken as gospel evidence by the Plod?

      Anything you record/write/type into a computer or phone can be evidence, even if just circumstantial. If they'd found a diary with an entry from the day before saying "I rly feel lik fukinup some cars n brakin windzhaileds n shitz" that would be admissible. Not proof, but admissible evidence.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This is the US, right ?

    I imagine a even a half shonky lawyer† could make a case that his client's conversation with ChatGPT was covered by legal privilege and inadmissible.

    † I understand Michael Avenatti should be "free" to take new cases from next year. Leaking Brains Rudy available now.

    1. Jean Stone

      Re: This is the US, right ?

      Everyone who's tried to use the services of AI, AI and AI, LLP has discovered that chatbots are not authorized to practice law. A lawyer trying to make the argument that chat history is protected by privilege would get benchslapped HARD and any other protections were waived when the idiot gave the police his phone.

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: This is the US, right ?

      Any lawyer can easily make that case, assuming that their goal is to give the judge an opportunity to laugh for a few seconds. If they expect it to have any other effect, they should probably skip it.

  11. Dinanziame Silver badge
    Pint

    From the exchange he had with the AI, I would add to the list of suggestions "don't do hard drugs".

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Alternatively: Do'n't do harrd spellinz!

POST COMMENT House rules

Not a member of The Register? Create a new account here.

  • Enter your comment

  • Add an icon

Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon

Other stories you might like