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The city council in the Japanese city of Toyoake has passed an ordinance that symbolically limits recreational use of smartphones to just two hours each day. The council passed the ordinance on Promoting the Proper Use of Smartphones [PDF] because it wants residents – and especially students returning to school – to get more …

  1. Fara82Light Bronze badge

    The Starmer Puppet Masters will love this.

  2. gryphon

    Phone Zombies

    What really annoys me if I'm turning into or out of a road and giving way to a pedestrian as I should most of the time they don't even see me motioning them to cross.

    Nose buried in phones and not paying any attention, always seem surprised when they look up and there is a car there waiting for them to cross.

    And I'm pretty patient about such things, usually, although not according to my wife.

    So I've wasted time trying to obey the law and be helpful and half the time missed a slot to turn out of the road so have to sit there and fume.

    1. DrewPH Silver badge

      Re: Phone Zombies

      "always seem surprised when they look up and there is a car there waiting for them to cross"

      I find a carefully timed blast on the horn is usually sufficient to send their phone shooting out of their hands and into the sky in a fairly hilarious manner. When it then plunges into a grating the hilarity is of course increased.

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      2. gryphon

        Re: Phone Zombies

        Indeed, but then some numpty would no doubt report you for 'aggressive behaviour', hurting their feelings and incorrect use of the horn.

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        2. TeeCee Gold badge
          Happy

          Re: Phone Zombies

          Nope. Warning another road user of your presence is correct use of the horn.

          I realise that nobody uses it for that, but...

          1. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge
            Meh

            Re: Phone Zombies

            They said "report you". You'd still have the pain and agony of proving that it wasn't you being the menace to society. And woe to you if they actually have the cash to lawyer up and drag it on.

      3. VBF
        Happy

        Re: Phone Zombies

        Yes, yes and YES!!!!!

    2. Rafael #872397
      Thumb Up

      Re: Phone Zombies

      THIS!

      Where I live, we have long speed bumps with crosswalks on them that were designed to make cars stop and let pedestrians cross. Often, we see zombies stop at the beginning of the crosswalk and wait, eyes glued to their smartphones. When I am driving, I honk a bit to make them wake up, just to avoid them crossing when I start to pass.

      The worst culprits are those who stop in the corners or crosswalks because they called an Uber and are just waiting for it. I had some people waiting for Ubers in front of the parking gate of my building. Honk honk.

    3. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

      Re: Phone Zombies

      most of the time they don't even see me motioning them to cross.

      What really annoys me as a sans-smartphone pedestrian is when drivers at driveways and intersections ignore my "you go first" hand signals and honk at me.

      The reason I don't cross in front of them, even when they are "stopped", is 'cause I can't feckin' see through their tinted glass (even "ordinary"-level factory tint in bright sunshine) to tell whether they actually see me, or are themselves the phone zombies.

    4. goblinski Silver badge

      Re: Phone Zombies

      The "Courtesy honk" should become mandatory equipment on vehicles, just like the horn is. Something to wake people up without sounding angry.

      They can take any sound from Untitled Goose Game. Or they can just get Mark Rober's one.

      1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

        Multiple Horn Modes

        Yes!

        I would suggest three modes: (1) "Hi, Friend!"; (2) "Please note I'm over here"; and, (3) "PAY ATTENTION OMFG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE YOU CLUELESS SHITHEAD!!"

    5. JLV Silver badge

      Re: Phone Zombies

      I don't know the UK situation but I stayed a month in Lima, Peru in for 2019/2020 NYE and gosh they are bad. Much, much, worse than us Canadians.

      Dude on a moped, at a stop sign? Whips out out the old trusty.

      Two attractive young people of opposite sex on a date (not that it matters but it's more likely to indicate a romantic context)? Not one looked at the other in 10 minutes.

      The traffic in the shuttle from the airport was horrendous, as expected. Very stop and go, say 10-15 km average speed. Most of the buses (smaller than Western ones, but bigger than minibuses) are informal things, not company run (you pay the $1 coin, you get in, you ride). So, cue for the drivers to drive with one hand on the wheel, the other with the phone. The shuttle, professionally driven, provided a good platform, being more elevated.

      Walking around looking at phones was the least of it. They must have much cheaper data plans than us Canadians, fer sure :-(

  3. may_i Silver badge

    Overreach

    It is not the place of a city council to create such ordinances.

    The entire council should resign and acknowledge that they far exceeded their remit.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Overreach

      I don't really see this as overreach - as far as I can tell (as a westerner), most laws like this are brought in with the people in mind. If the locals don't like the law, they will find a polite way to say so to their local officials.

      For the record, I visited Japan earlier this year, and I saw plenty of "don't walk whilst using your phone" signs.

      There were also a lot of "don't walk on escalators" signs!) So unlike london, where you scurry down the escalator to catch your train in the middle of a big scrum, in Japan, you stand on the escalator and then join a queue. If you're in rush hour, that polite queue will then try and entirely fit on the already busy train, and yes, some of the trains really do get *very* full - i.e. well beyond "full" for the tube or the commuter lines in and out of London.

      And finally, quite apart from not walking whilst on your phone, "jaywalking" in Japan doesn't really seem to happen much, even on quiet back streets out in the suburbs.

      1. Tron Silver badge

        Re: Overreach

        Japanese escalators traditionally have people standing on one side and walking (sometimes running) on the other.

        1. O'Reg Inalsin Silver badge

          Re: Overreach

          That's true. However, I found this: https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240717/p2a/00m/0na/028000c

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Overreach

          And which side depends on which part of Japan you're in. (Few people runs on the escalators.)

          And no ringtones, loud video watching or talking loudly on a phone not held to your ear.

          It's a real joy to spend time over there.

      2. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: Overreach

        This doesn't feel important because the law's symbolic and unenforced. The city has no way to tell how long you used your phone or what you used it for, therefore nothing happens to you if you ignore them. Consider how you would feel if this was an actual law and they required or got your usage data in order to enforce it. Would your opinion change?

        In my opinion, although I would be willing to ignore it as it stands because I can't fight everything, I do see it as an invalid law which is needlessly paternalistic. This kind of thinking is how you end up with things like the OSA, and there are many politicians who think they do have the power to make and enforce such things, from time limits to not allowing moderation of stuff they like (currently not legal there). If it wouldn't be acceptable if they were more serious, it isn't now.

        1. stiine Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: Overreach

          You mean this won't be a boot for NTT Docomo, and they won't be selling 23 additional phones to every person in town?

          1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

            Re: Overreach

            "23 additional phones"

            Only 12 total are needed at 2 hours per phone per day.

    2. Rafael #872397
      WTF?

      Re: The entire council should resign and acknowledge that they far exceeded their remit.Overreach

      Whoa, good thing you know what they should do in response to that heinous crime. And thanks for not straight suggesting collective seppuku.

    3. Wang Cores Silver badge

      Re: Overreach

      I'll get on condemning them after Zucc and co give all their money back for making everything so "engaging."

      Had to pull my kids out of the local schools because the little shits absolutely DGAF about school any more, because they know all they have to do is go online and vaguely assert that the faceless teacher is persecuting them for their beliefs and the witch burners online turn out to do the dirty work for them.

    4. andy gibson

      Re: Overreach

      When I was a kid I was told that there would be world peace, a more mature mankind with homes on the moon.

      Instead we have this:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/subway/comments/rkxo31/i_wonder_how_many_people_ate_the_actual_wrapper/

      I fear that mankind has taken a turn for the worse (and more stupid) at some point.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Overreach

        Your classmates ruined it for all of us.

      2. JLV Silver badge

        Re: Overreach

        Oh, no, that's not phone stuff. That's an American corporate legal department lawyers justifying their existence by inventing all sorts of CYA. Can't break wind without their say-so.

        Which is really unfortunate in the case of Taco Bell's legal department...

  4. Christoph

    Round here there is already an extremely severe sanction on using smartphones while walking.

    Someone on an e-bike will snatch it out of your hand.

  5. APro

    iZombies and eMissiles.

    I used to work in London until recently. I'm so glad to be out of there.

    The numerous iZombies walking around either watching some feed or other, texting, and/or sharing their conversations with the world with the phone on speaker. Always completely oblivious or uncaring to what's going on in their general direction of travel. And what's with having the phone sticking out sideways from their lugholes, or attached to their lower lip like they're eating a metallic Ryvita? When you bump into them or re-direct their travel as they drift into your path, their single minded brains switch from the apparently highly important phone thread to the in-your-face whilst shouting expletives thread.

    The eMissiles are rarer, but getting increasingly more common. They're like iZombies, but are propelled by electric scooters or bikes. They're just as oblivious most of the time, and completely ignore traffic lights and road crossings. These guys cause serious damage when they hit someone - a friend was in hospital for two days after an impact caused a dislocated shoulder, multiple fractures on his forearm, and a fractured rib. The eMissile didn't stop and alas has not been seen on that commute route again (yet). I was hit hard once but thankfully only had heavy bruising along my arm and shoulder pain for a week. We were both hit (at different times) on traffic light controlled junction crossings on a pedestrian green light (not "jaywalking").

    Bring back the red public telephone boxes with proper landlines on street corners, and jam the hell out of mobile phones within cities - please!

    1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

      Re: iZombies and eMissiles.

      "The numerous iZombies walking around"

      They wrote the screenplay for Shaun of the Dead too early. Or this certainly would have been a scene.

  6. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    recreational use of smartphones

    Is reading El Reg recreational?

    1. TeeCee Gold badge
      Coat

      Re: recreational use of smartphones

      You mean you haven't got a timesheet task like "Education and Training"?

      Mine's the one with the "Most accurate and complete timesheets" award in the pocket.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    punishable with extremely severe sanctions.

    Chopping off the hands of the culprit ?

    I recall reading during the Tokugawa shoganate that a samurai was permitted to decapitate on the spot any subject who was behaving erratically.

    Pretty zero tolerance policing by any standard and certainly no complaints of justice delayed — denied... perhaps not so much.

    Even so, should I ever have the pleasure of visiting Toyoake I will pack a "feature" phone as I am rather attached to my hands and would prefer them to so remain. :)

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: punishable with extremely severe sanctions.

      "...a samurai was permitted to decapitate on the spot any subject who was behaving erratically."

      And that's how Japanese society was able to get ahead so rapidly.

    2. IGotOut Silver badge

      Re: punishable with extremely severe sanctions.

      Yeah we had the same. The Norman's would just kill the peasants because....well they were bored and it was a Tuesday.

      Oh happy days.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: punishable with extremely severe sanctions.

        I love Tuesdays.

  8. JLV Silver badge
    Trollface

    If I were cynical I might wonder about what logs would reveal about the city worthies' own usage.

  9. BPontius

    By whom and how do they enforce this ridiculous ordnance?

  10. staylor14

    Maybe make a law about sleep if you care about sleep?

    I don't understand why they need cover for a dumb, non-binding ordinance.

  11. Grunchy Silver badge

    2 hours minimum

    Oh Crap my cupboard has SEVEN frickin smartphones in it.

    Somebody, stop these madmen!!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 2 hours minimum

      You need 5 more phones.

  12. david 12 Silver badge

    Japan phone zombies

    I'm not sure that "walking with phone" is as much of a problem in Japan as in other countries.

    Japan "used to have" ?? a cultural norm that walking while doing something/anything else (eating, smoking, using the phone) was wrong.

    Someone who has been their more recently may wish to comment.

    1. GNU Enjoyer
      Angel

      Re: Japan phone zombies

      I did go there somewhat recently and there was a lot of demon rectangles out at times, but I wasn't paying much attention to that.

      There wasn't any complaints about phones being out while waiting standing in a line with walking as the line moved forwards.

      The taboo seems is still there and primarily seems to only apply to eating and smoking, as well it can be enforced for those as;

      - People who sell unpackaged food generally give you somewhere to eat it and otherwise food tends to be wrapped up in an excessive amount of plastic (as there is no bins available, you either have to continue lugging the plastic around or litter it).

      - There are smoking rooms usually available and people don't seem to tolerate getting hit by 2nd hand smoke.

      Before "smartphones", "using the phone" generally was being on a phone call, which still isn't liked on a bus or train, as well people don't like even talking quietly on a bus.

      But otherwise, now like many other countries, it's a country around half composed of itoddlers (and around the other half are androids? (very unreliable, but see; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan), a sizable percentage of which have an addiction to such (what the proprietary software is designed to induce), thus there would really be far too many people with phones out while walking for any enforcement to work.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Kids today, eh?

    In my day you couldn’t wait to get outside and play or explore.

    Glad I grew up in the sticks and stones age.

  14. GNU Enjoyer
    Angel

    Why not an ordinance

    to symbolically eliminate demon rectangles and do something useful instead?

    Those things don't even do phone calls and sms's properly after all.

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